What are your red flags?

[Thumper]

2 hours ago, MikeBiDude said:

So wait…you reached out to him knowing you couldn’t afford to hire?

To repeat:  two months ago I asked about his rate and his general availability.  That is allowed. 

Assuming the beautiful man is still working, when my finances catch up, I will hire him.   

It's not like I fucking scheduled something and then flaked, or tried to negotiate a different rate, wise-ass.

Edited April 30, 2023 by Thumper

[dbar123]

I have a few

1) A La Carte pricing….when it suddenly becomes obvious that the quoted price is just a base price and everything you really want is extra

2) When you get a text an hour before the session that they are running very late

3) When someone who’s been around for a while only has a few posted reviews

4) Anyone with a latex allergy

[Jarrod_Uncut]

22 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

Oh that’s awkward. At least he told you. I once turned up at an outcall and the guys wife and daughter were there. We go into the room he wanted to do the massage in and his daughter was playing in there. He said to me “don’t worry she’ll go upstairs with her mother”. Throughout the massage I could hear them upstairs. I asked him if he was ok with this and checked that he knew it was a sensual massage (happy ending style, done naked etc) and he confirmed yes all ok. He didn’t even lock the door to the room we were in. I felt quite uncomfortable but as I was there and he seemed fine with it all I went ahead but it wasn’t the most relaxing session (for me at least). He seemed to enjoy it. Paid me a nice tip. Honestly you meet all sorts of people doing this work, I’m constantly surprised. 

Hmm…yeah, but I mean I have seen such crazy scenarios myself. But like I mentioned, I have to gauge how much crazy I want to actually get involved in.

Sometimes my gut isn’t always right, but most times: what seems weird does turn out to be weird. Not to mention more than 1 red flag/dealbreaker , IS a red flag in of itself. In this case: no deposit, daughter at home, and looking for now…and two hours at that. It all makes me go 🤨 Oh…and “personal line” shows up in the “background” check. There’s no real confidence to go to something like that, other than “I’ll meet all sorts of people”. 

I don’t particularly worry about stings but: I’ve seen shows where it’s some crazy booking request: one show, the “undercover client” wants to dress up like a clown and have 2 women service him. Then, the police busts in and arrest the women. So it’s like yeah, anything that deviates from client behavior I’m used to…is going to be scrutinized.
 

It coulda all been good and gravy or, without an apartment number I could turn up and get ghosted…at best. Non of which is pleasant considering to get downtown takes me an hour. I just rather be safe, than to be blaming myself later.

Edited May 1, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[NyGold]

On 4/30/2023 at 6:42 PM, dbar123 said:

 

4) Anyone with a latex allergy

“I’m ok with condoms in theory … I just don’t have any …”

Like you have every toy and substance imaginable here but you don’t have one of those even though a client may walk out as a result? Lol.

 

 

[NyGold]

A lot of people mentioned no reviews or not many 5 star reviews 

my twist on that would be if you look through the reviews and it’s pretty damn obvious that half of them are written by the same person, the same writing style, the same narrative etc.

and inconsistencies … some are stupid enough to have contradictions in their profile and stats .., so they’re “bottom only” in one place but “love topping” somewhere else … or 28 in the stats but 32 in the text … I can forgive fiddling with stats to make the cut for whether a client calls or not (eg 29 yo as you’re worried 30 rules you out for people) … but not the sloppiness of the different details on the same page 

 

[NyGold]

On 4/30/2023 at 1:34 AM, Coolwave35 said:

When allllll the photos are model shots. 
 

when the most recently uploaded pic is 3 years old. 
 

when a provider gives enough details for me to ID one of their clients. 

Yeah love the guys who say in their profile “all my pictures are within the last 3 months” but they’ve had the same pics up for 2 years! 

[Wolfer]

On 5/1/2023 at 1:03 AM, Maximus69 said:

 

- Clients who asks questions that are already answered if they read my ad

To be fair, there are a lot of providers who will check all boxes to show up in searches while not actually providing that particular service. One provider recently came to this board complaining clients were asking him to top because he had vers/bottom on his profile (and he was a self-described only bottom). I've learned to always, always, ALWAYS double check through text whatever info is given in the ad and have been surprised how often what is mentioned in the ad does not line up with what they are actually offering. 

[muscmtl]

Escorts answering position, or safesex,  with: "ask me"

[dbar123]

21 minutes ago, muscmtl said:

Escorts answering position, or safesex,  with: "ask me"

….and when you ask you don’t always get an actionable answer….

[+ glutes]

On 4/29/2023 at 2:51 PM, Medin said:

Yes, the lack of a single smile in any photo is definitely one of mine as well.  Usually says something about the guy's personality/attitude.  

I also wanna mike sure they have teeth. 😁

[DWnyc]

6 hours ago, Wolfer said:

To be fair, there are a lot of providers who will check all boxes to show up in searches while not actually providing that particular service. One provider recently came to this board complaining clients were asking him to top because he had vers/bottom on his profile (and he was a self-described only bottom). I've learned to always, always, ALWAYS double check through text whatever info is given in the ad and have been surprised how often what is mentioned in the ad does not line up with what they are actually offering. 

Exactly. This is why I have no patience for providers complaining “it’s in my ad”.  

Providers need to understand very little in there is immutable and sometimes it lacks credibility.

So asking is actually a sign of interest rather than “wasting time” or demonstrating you are a flake. 

[+ glutes]

Him: "My rate is $600/hour"

Me: "That's great, I will pass."

Him: "OK, I can do it for $450"

 

[+ DrownedBoy]

3 hours ago, glutes said:

Him: "My rate is $600/hour"

Me: "That's great, I will pass."

Him: "OK, I can do it for $450"

 

Got that one too. When he dropped to 450, I just said, "No, I don't like to haggle. You asked for 600, and I have to pass."

[DWnyc]

29 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

Got that one too. When he dropped to 450, I just said, "No, I don't like to haggle. You asked for 600, and I have to pass."

I like that response. Hopefully the provider in question realized he was the lead character in the soap opera called capitalism. 

Biggest price drop I was offered was from $600 to $200 if I came over right away.

Which reminds me … 

Red flag: providers who like to pretend like there’s a set of rules in this game, and “I said it so that’s the way it is” (until I say something different”

 

 

[Rod Hagen]

On 5/1/2023 at 8:53 PM, NyGold said:

… or 28 in the stats but 32 in the text … I can forgive fiddling with stats to make the cut for whether a client calls or not (eg 29 yo as you’re worried 30 rules you out for people) … but not the sloppiness of the different details on the same page 

uhm...well, that actually happens entirely innocently if your ad's been up for awhile, you just get forgetful or rushed.  Every year, I try to update all my ads w/in a month of my birthday.  Then, months later I'll peak at my ad for no real reason and see that I updated the form, but not the description (or vice versa).  There's no malevolence there, just minor carelessness (senescence, lol?).  Possibly, I think that's true of some of the other discrepancies you mention, they may not be diabolical, just rushed.  Too be clear, it's important and we SHOULDN'T rush, but again, assume it's "just" carelessness and if you're curious, inquire about specifics. 

Edited May 4, 2023 by Rod Hagen

[MuscleDaddyRWC]

On 4/30/2023 at 4:03 PM, Maximus69 said:

 

-  Client who wants to book a couple days to a week in advance. Most of the time doesn't end up happening.

 

Interesting flip to this.  I generally text asking if they have time today or tomorrow.  I started adding the tomorrow because I've had more than one scoff at same day availability. 

One guy told me he books at least a week if not 2 on advance.  

 

 

[DWnyc]

5 hours ago, MuscleDaddyRWC said:

Interesting flip to this.  I generally text asking if they have time today or tomorrow.  I started adding the tomorrow because I've had more than one scoff at same day availability. 

One guy told me he books at least a week if not 2 on advance.  

 

 

As with so many of these questions there's no right answer and sometimes it’s about a providers preference, which of course should be respected, but the clients question also shouldn’t be seen as offensive.. My red flag is where when the response to such a neutral question results in anger or rudeness rather than a simple answer (I’d prefer no answer to rudeness).

[Jamie21]

6 hours ago, MuscleDaddyRWC said:

 Client who wants to book a couple days to a week in advance. Most of the time doesn't end up happening.

I don’t see that dynamic. Many of my clients book weeks in advance. They always seem to turn up. I think there’s other stronger signals that someone isn’t going to turn up.

[DWnyc]

 

4 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

I don’t see that dynamic. Many of my clients book weeks in advance. They always seem to turn up. I think there’s other stronger signals that someone isn’t going to turn up.

More than once I’ve shown up and a provider expressed surprise thinking I wouldn’t. Apart from the worry that they may then have double booked assuming I wouldn’t … I’m like … nothing happened in our interaction that I would assume  is an outlier .. so does that happen to you often? 

Edited May 5, 2023 by DWnyc

[+ poolboy48220]

The few times I've booked that long in advance (usually when someone says they're travelling to Michigan a week or so in the future) I confirm a day or two before the appointment, or on the day of their arrival.

Edited May 5, 2023 by poolboy48220

[DWnyc]

One approach may be a discount (or said another way since that seems to be a bad word, a higher fee) based on paying a deposit or not.

For those wanting discretion as the reason not to pay in advance electronically, they may be happy to pay for that privilege. And providers can get some deposit money from those for whom that isn’t an issue.

[Archangel]

On 5/2/2023 at 8:45 AM, Wolfer said:

To be fair, there are a lot of providers who will check all boxes to show up in searches while not actually providing that particular service.

I find this particularly annoying. It’s not a “red flag” because of how many guys do it, but the list is useless unless it’s very short, and in that case, it rarely offers anything worth paying for.

[Simon Suraci]

On 5/4/2023 at 11:01 PM, DWnyc said:

More than once I’ve shown up and a provider expressed surprise thinking I wouldn’t.

Slightly different take on this situation from the provider side:

This week I traveled to Austin, TX for four nights and rented a house for my massage biz there. I was booked back to back every single day from morning until night, even the morning of checkout and the evening of check in. It was crazy. Successful business trip! Every single client showed up at their agreed upon appointment times, or slightly early. I was amazed. 

Per usual, I maintain 30 min gaps between clients for cleaning. During whatever is left in that time after the client pays, chit chats, etc, I clean everything first and then frantically attempt to respond to countless texts, messages, and alerts I couldn’t attend to during the last session. I respond to as many as possible and tell clients I am about to start another session in 10 mins, and that I can respond to them right now or after the next session if they miss me. Plus send them my blocks of availability, prices, pics, service descriptions, or whatever else they were asking. Meanwhile I’m sanitizing everything and changing linens and doing laundry and grabbing a very quick snack, using the bathroom…there’s a lot going on and I’m frazzled AF.

In one such instance, a client books me in the frantic 30 min gap and I gave him the time I was available, he agreed, I sent him the address and info, and then forgot to actually add him to my booking app schedule. Later that day as I finish cleaning and catch up on messages, I look at my schedule and take a sigh of relief. Wow, I actually have a two hour break!

As soon as I sink into my living room easy chair with a glass of water and close my eyes, there’s a knock at the door. A client is here! I invite him inside, and feeling a little flustered, said I wasn’t expecting him and he pulled up our messages that showed clearly he was supposed to be here right now. I remembered immediately and then realized in my rushed 30 min “break” between clients that I forgot to add him to the schedule. That’s the one thing that keeps me organized in the chaos and it was my fault for not finishing the process by adding him. I apologized and said as much and confirmed that yes I am free and we started the massage.

Of all my appointments so far in the biz, this is the one time I had a client show up unexpectedly and it was totally my fault. And it worked out anyway because I booked him when I actually was available, I just didn’t record it properly. The rest have been clients not showing up, or coming way early, way, late, or on the wrong day. The wrong day scenario happens once in a great while.

 I never intentionally double book clients expecting one to not show up. If I don’t trust them to show, I don’t book them at all. I refuse future appointment requests from no-shows. 

[marylander1940]

PNP and capital T out of place...

 

Messy place / hotel room but that's something we don't see till we get there. 

[marylander1940]

On 5/2/2023 at 5:45 AM, Wolfer said:

To be fair, there are a lot of providers who will check all boxes to show up in searches while not actually providing that particular service. One provider recently came to this board complaining clients were asking him to top because he had vers/bottom on his profile (and he was a self-described only bottom). I've learned to always, always, ALWAYS double check through text whatever info is given in the ad and have been surprised how often what is mentioned in the ad does not line up with what they are actually offering. 

You'd be amazed about all the times a provider who exclusively bottoms is asked to top and someone who only tops get requests to bottom. If I had a dollar in my pocket for every time there was some discussion about a top in places like NYC with so many choices and many on here posted "why doesn't he bottom?". 

Also HERE in the other side of the pond we can't be that explicit asking certain questions. 

I think some escorts might rim some clients who are in shape and good looking but would never consider doing it your average client.