Simon Suraci

It depends. An hour of edging play is good for most. Even 30 mins of focused attention can be a lot for certain individuals. Some may do better with an hour and a half. It varies by person. An hour would be a good place to start. It gives you plenty of time to build up and cool down over many cycles. Adjust your time accordingly after you get a sense for how long works best for you and how your provider works. If you’re mixing edging with other not-so vanilla activities, or massage and/or trying to make it an educational session I would say book something longer for sure. If you want more extreme scenes or prolonged edging, things more in the kink and bdsm territory, book longer. Trying to get the same kind of edging experience for 10-15 mins at the end of a massage is not going to give you the same level of satisfaction. Give it at least half an hour, probably longer.

Edging is one of my specialties. I’m quite experienced and enjoy doing it. Some of my clients see me specifically for edging play, with or without bondage elements. They love it. A lot of them say something along the lines of “that was really intense” afterwards. A few are more into kink style scenes which can include ruined orgasms, cum denial, dom/sub, sensory play, overstimulation torture, post orgasm torture, and just generally very long edging sessions. Or me just simply edging vanilla style for a while until making him shoot a huge load. Sometimes I do an abbreviated version of this with my regular massages. Just depends what you’re going for! I’ve also done some educational style sessions to teach clients interested in learning how to: reduce premature ejaculations control their orgasms have multiple orgasms have longer orgasms have more powerful orgasms have non-ejaculatory orgasms have more intentional orgasms have full body orgasms explore their body/spirituality experience greater bliss experience greater connection have more energy have a more fulfilling sex life

I think so… 🤔 or just…slutty. Which I mean in the most positive way!

I’ve seen Terry at his place in UTC several years ago. He’s very nice, gives a good massage, reasonable rates. He doesn’t go over the top on erotic elements but offers some basics if you want them. I always left happy. Haven’t seen the other two.

Accountants work at a ledgerly pace.

^This is your opinion. It doesn’t apply to all providers. Maybe some, sure. Many of us take the no negotiating stance and stick to it. It costs me business to operate this way, but then again, I want clients who value me as much as I do. That’s a net positive in my book. Good for you when you find mutually beneficial arrangements through negotiation, but I wouldn’t characterize this approach as the way the world of hiring works. It’s mixed.

It’s not an excuse. Some men can’t stay hard enough with a condom. They know their bodies and abilities well and are respecting your time and money by telling you as much up front. I can’t see anything negative about being straightforward with you. “Excuse” implies it’s not a legitimate concern, as if they are making it up or secretly want to increase their risk exposure. We don’t. In fact, it helps our business to minimize exposure wherever and whenever we can do so. It’s usually clients that want and insist on bb sex. I use condoms whenever a client wants to use them, and performing is not a problem. I keep different sizes available. The larger for myself and the standard size works for most clients. Btw my dick isn’t huge. It’s Goldilocks - just right for most clients. But my mushroom head is large and the tapered design of the larger brand I use really helps me. Clients like feeling my pulsating cock head. The standard size is otherwise too constricting for me and makes it more difficult to maintain an erection or for my client to appreciate the pulse. Condoms are no problem for me but it helps to know what kind works best for your particular body.

Speaking for myself here. I use several platforms, and RentMen Messenger is the least reliable because I can’t get push notifications to work no matter how many times I select the setting to do so. Instead, I manually have to check the app, and that’s a few times a day at best. Often not even once a day. The rest of my platforms send me notifications reliably and I respond promptly to those…because I know there is something requiring my attention so I check asap. Most of my clients aren’t hiring me directly from RentMen anyway, even though for some of them the services they want most closely align with RentMen. Most of my traffic is not on RentMen so I see no reason to give undue attention to checking it constantly, since that is the only way for me to become aware of a message. If I typically don’t receive any new messages for days or even weeks at a stretch, I’m just utterly wasting my time constantly checking. I’m too busy serving my clients, and they’re mostly contacting me by text or another platform messaging system anyhow. Why bother? I understand some clients’ privacy concerns and ability to review and I validate those reasons, but then I also hear clients complain here because they have unrealistic expectations on response times. Until RentMen invests in a more reliable messaging system, you can’t have it both ways. By either texting me or messaging me through a platform that sends alerts - even plain old email for god’s sake - you’re going to get my attention and response much faster. For me, sending a RentMen message is worse than sending snail mail. People usually only check snail mail once a day, and there is no alert… Actually even USPS gives the option now for informed delivery, which is an email once a day with scans of your incoming mail. I like that because I know when something important is waiting for me. The rest can collect and wait until I have a reason to open the mailbox. So yeah, in that sense, traditional postal mail will, in all likelihood get my attention sooner than RentMen Messenger. Literally snail mail is faster and more reliable than RentMen Messenger.

Cinnamon has to be the lamest spice. It’s all bark.

I need to get in on this action next year. Me, pretty much:

Speaking only for myself here. Others charge less or more and that’s fine. I don’t claim to represent an average. These whole day hires described above are less common but I love these and a handful of clients hire me for a whole day from time to time. I charge $1,500 for about 12 hours during the day, ending by/before midnight. That would be comparable to a 12 hr overnight if I charged closer to market for overnights, but I charge a premium $2k for those. When the client hires me for a longer stretch, say a few days or a week, I would charge less per day - works out to something between 1285 and 2000 per day depending on how many total days he hires me. More expensive per day to hire 3 days, less expensive per day to hire for 7. I haven’t done any two week or longer hires yet, but I will revisit pricing to give the client a break on that when the time comes. Maybe that day will never come, and honestly I am quite ok with that.

I intentionally overprice my overnights at $2k because I really don’t like doing them. It has to be worth my while to put aside the high value I place on quality restful sleep and time to myself at night to regroup emotionally and mentally. If I were trying to get clients to book me more frequently for overnights, I might price somewhere more in the neighborhood of $1,500 for roughly twelve hours of my time, maybe a little more time including an earlier evening activity like dinner or a date, depending on what the client wants. The client wanting an overnight often wants to have sex multiple times all night (which is fine), or otherwise wake me up a lot and I basically don’t sleep much if at all, definitely not anything restful. Plus the client snores, and I snore. It’s annoying for everyone involved. Then morning sex. Again, that’s fine, but it’s a whole production if I need to bottom in the morning. Topping again after having cum multiple times in the past few hours, it’s more difficult to perform at my best. Also, I am not looking or feeling my best until I shower in the morning, so that has to happen as soon as I wake up. I get pretty crabby otherwise. The level of effort to be “on” and perform for overnights is high, so I charge dearly for it. I would be more open to negotiating a lower rate if the client had a suite with a separate place to sleep. By sleep I mean actual sleep. The playtime can still happen in the client’s bed, and cuddles and all the rest, but the actual sleeping part is way better when I have some acoustical and physical separation. Plus negotiate based on expectations. For example, is this an all night fuck festival, or are we going to sleep by 2am? Things like that. TBH I don’t see as much value in overnights. I think you get a much better value hiring me for 5 hours before midnight for $1k. But that’s just me.

Ah!!! Even better

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Whew! I replaced my boiled phone back in San Diego and all is well again. Too much client texting, I guess. Bitches be calling, all the time… Wow, just wow. I had a great time. This was the first of what I expect to be many fun and fruitful annual visits. Thank you @David-SF and @Oliver for hosting a lovely series of events. Well done! And thank you to the half dozen or so Company of Men members who hired me for various services over the weekend (even a repeat 😍), plus another member in San Diego Monday night after I got back. You know who you are and I sincerely appreciate your business! Newell, my 4-hand massage partner was nervous to meet everyone but said he enjoyed himself at the dinner. He’s not so intimidating in person despite his size. He’s a sweet guy. @sam.fitzpatrick thanks for going out of your way to make Newell and I feel so welcome at the events. @purplekow thanks for helping apply sunscreen to all those hard-to-reach places on my body 😉 @mike carey I had no idea you can play card games with more than 4 suits. Learn something new every day. I’ll have to practice so I can play a round with you next year. And thank you for sharing the “Karen is a C*nt” comment from the forums. That was laugh out loud funny. For those of you like me who didn’t know until now: cookies = feet. Eating cookies means licking toes, playing with feet, etc. I was out of the loop on that one. That’s the reference to cookie crumbs. @BodeBrentwood thank you for sharing your beautiful self and your cookies with the world, among other assets. It was a pleasure having you around the pool. You were a delightful and entertaining centerpiece to all of the goings-on in the hot tub. Thanks kindly for trying to lead me to an exit 😂 when I was carrying a massage table late night across the InnDulge courtyard to a client’s room. I know I must have looked out of place, dazed and confused scanning the room numbers to figure out where I was going. I won’t even mention Louie’s wild adventures, disappearance into the California desert, and eventual mysterious return. Too late. Thanks @Summerson for generously offering them space to stay in your room. That hot tub at InnDulge is the place to be! Several other hotel guests booked me there who had nothing to do with CoM. I love a hot tub soak. Can’t wait to chat more there next year. Other providers take note: the trip pays for itself if you just hang around the hot tub. I encourage more providers to visit next year. Consider this trip business development for us working men 🤣 just don’t risk writing it off on your taxes as such. Kudos to Danny for helping @purplekowin and out of the pools and staying dedicated by his side always. What a class act! We miss your delightful presence here on the forums 😢 but I understand it can be toxic in some corners at times, so I don’t blame you for leaving. Clients encourage us to come to these events but it is quite expensive and we’re not exactly on vacation when we attend. We need more clients to come and support us at these things to make it worthwhile for every provider putting down serious time and money to make a several day visit (excepting those fortunate few who were dedicated hires for the whole weekend/week). We need more of you clients to join us next year. I’m not complaining - I did well and this trip was totally worth it for me, in the short run and longer term - but I can see it make sense for more of us providers to attend if more clients were attending and spreading the wealth, so to speak. At the dinner, for example, we had 40 some odd people, including providers. We could easily make space for a lot more members there to support the 8-12 or so providers who attended, and more beyond that with enough critical mass. Just saying… Y’all come next year if you never have or haven’t in a while. It’s a lot of fun 🤩 Cheers! 🥂 -Simon

@BigTom This little corner of the internet may not be for you then. Other sections of the site may appeal to you should discussions of men for hire and related topics not be to your liking. Talk sports, finance, literature, health, travel… whatever. The core site user base is men interested in hiring men, and this is by design. Also, using the word “prostitute” in 2024 reflects more poorly on the person using it than the person to whom they are referring. “sex worker” is the appropriate term for this century.

I dropped my phone in the InnDulge hot tub last night. It was submerged for a few seconds and the touch screen now isn’t working. Fingers crossed it dries out and returns to normal. In case anyone is texting me I am not ingoring you. I can’t respond now, but will get back once my phone is working again.

Nothing wrong with booking ahead, but I agree it’s wise to check in a day or two before your appointment to confirm, and maybe even the day-of. I’m organized so I don’t need this, but I appreciate clients who check in. It shows me they are serious about following through. It takes almost no time to confirm. When you book a session with me, you can count on me to show up and be ready. The rare case I have an issue I will reach out to the client to delay, reschedule, or cancel. Those are exceptions, not the rule. Like when my Airbnb host made me vacate partway through a weeklong stay (another story).

Advance notice really depends on the provider. What are their booking preferences? Many list that on their profile, like same day only or whatnot. Are they a popular fans site model? Lots of travel, and engagements? Are they trans, have a rare or unique attribute, porn famous, or otherwise some flavor of low supply / high demand? If yes to any of these, you have much better chances booking several weeks in advance, maybe more. For your typical run of the mill provider who isn’t any of the above, a few days to a week is just perfect. Same day is a total crapshoot.

100% agree

You might try exchanging phone numbers, or give him yours. Unless he is being monitored by a pimp or trafficking org, you could work something out by text on Google translate. I don’t know who is being trafficked and who isn’t, but I think it’s reasonable to assume this guy is either best case underpaid or worst case trafficked, especially in light of the costs of living in NYC. If you keep seeing him at the spa, consider tipping him generously in the room so the tip doesn’t make its way to a potential trafficker’s pocket, and leave another small tip at the front so they are not suspecting funny business. Say you spend $150 total. That’s low for 90 mins in NYC with extras you like. You’re still getting a deal. You could spend $200 and not be crazy for doing so. More than that will get you into private erotic masseur territory, so maybe not bother with the Asian spa at that point. Something between $150 and $200? What do others think?

Depends what you’re using it for and what your partner prefers. For toys, water based is best, especially for silicone items. Some bottoms prefer the feel of one type or another. For bareback sex, I prefer silicone lube. It lasts longer without drying out or feeling sticky or tacky like most water based types. I also prefer the feel. Water based is a slip and slide that makes it a less tactile skin to skin feeling. It’s like you’re feeling more of a thick layer of goop between you and your partner and one or both of you feel like a slippery water balloon. Silicone is thin and makes me feel closer to my partner, like I can feel the subtle textures and warmth and the good kind of slight friction that makes everything much more enjoyable. Plus less reapplying. Also works well in and around water. Shower sex anyone? It also works well with condoms. Some disadvantages of silicone are cost, incompatibility with silicone toys (silicone breaks down silicone), and supposedly more difficulty cleaning sheets and fabrics. I’ve never had a problem cleaning fabrics using high quality silicone lubes. It takes more attention to clean it off your body after sex, but that’s precisely one of the key advantages of it during sex. My next favorite for bareback is 100% cold pressed coconut oil. It’s solid at room temperature, under 78 degrees F. Then it melts almost immediately on contact with skin. Do not use natural oils or oil based lubes with standard condoms or silicone toys. It breaks down latex and silicone. Coconut oil is a great versatile lube equally suited for massage and bb sex, which can make for a more seamless experience when doing both of the two in a session. Some bottoms prefer water based. The advantages are that it’s the most washable, easy to clean lube type. Also it’s versatile. Works with toys of all kinds and with condoms, and bb. Not great in wet (water) environments for obvious reasons. It’s cheap. It’s readily available. Fisting lube is special and you pay a premium for it. You need something thicker designed for fisting activities, like Elbow Grease. It’s messy but appropriate. Not always readily available in your sex shop. Reputable gay owned sex shops should have at least one or two brands in stock. Or order it online.

^Not for your typical Asian spa place. They are inexpensive to begin with and on top of that, the individual guys working on you are making only a fraction of the fee. Compare their work and fees to an independent masseur in the same area. NYC is expensive for either avenue spa vs independent when compared to most of the country. If the spa charges you less than $100 for an hour of massage AND you’re getting gratuitous extras, I’d say 40% is still a very modest tip. Consider tipping more. What is appropriate depends on what the spa is charging in the first place. A low starting fee absolutely justifies heavy tipping, and the Asian massage places typically charge under market for comparable services. This is also a reason to be wary, since some of them rely on human trafficking labor and that is why they can charge so little. A high starting fee is a different story. Some spas are only paying their employees 40% of the fee, but it varies. Consider that when you tip too. Another option is to offer to hire the guy you like privately off the spa clock. You’re not supposed to, but this happens all the time and the spa is none the wiser. @asiantwunktop what is the spa charging you for their services? For example, a 60 min massage?

^I do the same when I see clients around because you never know if the client wants to maintain discretion regarding how they know you. Maybe he is with a spouse that doesn’t know. Or perhaps they simply do not want to engage outside the context of a session. For these reasons, it’s up to the client to approach me. I’m not ignoring or avoiding the client. I’m giving them the option to maintain their discretion. When they engage with me, I reciprocate. ^I suggest the same approach as above. You respect their boundaries and hopefully they do the same. Maybe acknowledge them with a nod or something. Otherwise leave them alone unless they make it clear they want to engage with you. You both know why you are there. Let him be.

Some clients are completely oblivious. I even wipe some of them, without saying anything. They still show up in similar condition the next time. I don’t do any butt play when that’s the case. Until they start complaining about a lack of attention down there, I see no need to make a big deal of it. I am embarrassed FOR them, but I know they are just completely out of touch with their bodies and how these things work. If they DO communicate they want attention there, I will bring it up.