Discount for in shape, good-looking and younger clients?

[pubic_assistance]

18 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said:

Must you be fatphobic?

Yes.

[marylander1940]

18 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said:

Must you be fatphobic? By your admission, you only have sex with extremely fit, much younger men. Perhaps you have a biased sample on which you observe sociological phenomena? I know plenty of fit guys who are chasers, butch guys who love femmes, 20-somethings who love guys 20-30 years older than them, and everything in between. If those guys exist outside the escort scene, some are working as providers. 

I've gotten a lot of compliments from providers over the years. And I can smell bullshit a mile away, so I know who's gassing me up. That said, if a provider besmirched his other clients in front of me, I would not hire him again. 

Those men are the exception, not the rule of the gay community. 

[pubic_assistance]

12 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

Those men are the exception, not the rule of the gay community. 

There's always someone out there with a fetish for just about anything

[JamesB]

11 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

There's always someone out there with a fetish for just about anything

Agree 100%.

[+ KensingtonHomo]

2 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

There's always someone out there with a fetish for just about anything

Finding people who are overweight, older, or anything beyond a smooth bubble butt twunk sexually desirable, while unimaginable to you, is actually like 85% of all relationships.
 

50% of all Americans are overweight, including queer people. and they’re all having sex all the time. And that’s not a fetish. 

[pubic_assistance]

8 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said:

Finding people who are overweight, older, or anything beyond a smooth bubble butt twunk sexually desirable, while unimaginable to you, is actually like 85% of all relationships.

No one said that relationships don't exist between old and/or fat people.

We were discussing gay men who actually have a sexual PREFERENCE for FAT men... not two chubby dudes who fell in love.

All animals choose mates based on a variety of signals but primarily HEALTH is an overwhelming driver in this decision-making process. That's why very old and very fat people are never chosen unless some unique person has a fetish that drives away the natural inclination to form bonds with a healthy partner.

The 85% you speak of are people who are average or formerly good looking people who's bond has grown past their need for physical beauty.  But this isn't the subject at hand. We are discussing prostitution...not love.

 

 

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[DWnyc]

3 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

 

All animals choose mates based on a variety of signals but primarily HEALTH is am overwhelming driver in this decision-making process.
 

 

Or the perception of it perhaps. I’d say social conditioning is as or more important. People would be making different choices if media (including porn) presented different ideas of what is attractive (and perhaps by implication, healthy). Some don’t have a problem with partners indulging in PNP, unprotected sex (even with PREP in the mix though that’s not universal and recent) or other eating disorders that keep one “not fat” but might be causing havoc elsewhere in the body (or mind). 
 

And as you say we’re talking prostitution not long term relationships - where an old or fat partner (however defined and for the purpose of discussion here) benefiting the provider means they might not reject them. And a compliment paid to a client tapping into their perceived sensitivities may be smart for business even if potentially offensive to others and may not even represent what that provider really feels on such issues.

And I can imagine some providers and others I’ve met saying something like “actually I’d rather have a fatty than a …” (fill in the blank … racial slur, height, age, disability related filter “ etc). 

 

 

[pubic_assistance]

4 hours ago, DWnyc said:

I can imagine some providers and others I’ve met saying something like “actually I’d rather have a fatty than a …” (fill in the blank) …

Exactly.

Sadly some contributing members in this conversation are convinced this gaslighting was genuine desire.

 

[+ KensingtonHomo]

14 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

No one said that relationships don't exist between old and/or fat people.

We were discussing gay men who actually have a sexual PREFERENCE for FAT men... not two chubby dudes who fell in love.

All animals choose mates based on a variety of signals but primarily HEALTH is an overwhelming driver in this decision-making process. That's why very old and very fat people are never chosen unless some unique person has a fetish that drives away the natural inclination to form bonds with a healthy partner.

The 85% you speak of are people who are average or formerly good looking people who's bond has grown past their need for physical beauty.  But this isn't the subject at hand. We are discussing prostitution...not love.

 

 

"Relationships" include sexual relationships, not just people who've fallen in love. While some physical attributes that correlate with fertility IN WOMEN are often tied to heterosexual desire, that's completely irrelevant to why two men want to have sex. And what those attributes are, hip to waist to bust ratio, are also historically contingent and socially influenced. See Botticelli's paintings where overweight women were considered the most beautiful. But like most conservative people, you want to naturalize your own biases. 

But more than anything, since you are not a gay man, I think you should stop speaking for us. You may be part of a group that hires men, but you're part of the LGBTQ community, so keep your opinions to yourself. 

[pubic_assistance]

2 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said:

But like most conservative people, you want to naturalize your own biases. 

Conservative ??? 🤔

Who are you referring to ?

I live in NYC. Most of my friends are artistic/creative types and I am raising two kids in an open marriage with a woman who used to identify as gay and so did I when I was younger.

That's "conservative" to you ??

I may not be a full fledged homosexual, but I AM a man who is attracted to men and I've been around the block with the gay boys enough to know how all this works. And I am a contributing member to this site which is welcoming the LGBT community INCLUDING the "B" whether or not YOU are so grossly bigoted that you think bisexuals should just keep their opinions to themselves.

Reubens may have liked his women round and I am aware that there are plenty of men who like a little meat on the bone. But what we are discussing here is F*A*T not "portly" "dad-bod" or "chunky".

Anyone who is attracted to OBESITY is nonconforming with human nature. It's a fetish. Which is fine....but stop pretending that it's normative in the gay community.  it's just not.

If a provider is going to offer a discount it's because you're younger / fitter or better looking than most of his other clients. Not because you're the prize hog at the County Fair.

[+ purplekow]

On 3/14/2024 at 2:20 PM, TT3690 said:

He just offered it. To be fair I don't know his regular rate so he could just be blowing smoke up my ass haha.

I assume the ass blowing was part of the discount

 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said:

But what we are discussing here is F*A*T not "portly" "dad-bod" or "chunky".

Actually, what we are discussing is provider discounts based on looks and age.  I contributed that I received discounted and free sessions after hiring several times, and disclosed that I am obese and not "young".  Let's please hear more from the fit men of their experiences with discounts, and stop making a big deal about my weight.

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[+ DrownedBoy]

I'm significantly younger and skinnier than most clients (or at least the clients who hire my regulars).

Nobody has ever offered me a discount for that reason alone.

[Your Man in Arlington]

5 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

I'm significantly younger and skinnier than most clients (or at least the clients who hire my regulars).

Nobody has ever offered me a discount for that reason alone.

I've always been young looking for my age, and while not skinny, I'm in not-horrible shape.

And, while I've often been told: I'm handsome, have soft skin, a nice ass, a hot cock/hole, or smell good, I've never been offered a discount... ever.

Which is perfect for me. I don't want a discount, I feel it would make everything weirder than it already is?

[MtnVwGuy]

The topic is about discounts, but a related thing would be “allowing things to go a bit further at the same price” — which seems to be a matter of making a connection / the provider enjoying what’s happening / etc.  It’s probably not all about the client being “young and hot,” but maybe being respectful / intuitive / friendly / treating-the-provider-like-a-human-being / etc.

[+ KensingtonHomo]

On 3/18/2024 at 4:53 PM, pubic_assistance said:

I live in NYC. Most of my friends are artistic/creative types and I am raising two kids in an open marriage with a woman who used to identify as gay and so did I when I was younger.

That's "conservative" to you ??

Yes. Conforming to a heteronormative relationship when you hit a certain age is the definition of conservative. You also have tons of right wing opinions about “crime”, the economy, and all kinds of other stuff. Artists- especially financially successfully ones - can also be conservative. 
 

I have no issue with bisexual men commenting on their experiences but that’s not the experience of most gay men. And you’re not interacting with gay men of a variety of ages and backgrounds like most of us are. So you’re not really in a position to speak for the community. 

[+ nycman]

5 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said:

So you’re not really in a position to speak for the community. 

[pubic_assistance]

8 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said:

So you’re not really in a position to speak for the community. 

And you are the voice of the community ?

How wonderful.

Were you elected or annointed ?

🙄

[pubic_assistance]

9 hours ago, MtnVwGuy said:

 It’s probably not all about the client being “young and hot,” but maybe being respectful / intuitive / friendly / treating-the-provider-like-a-human-being / etc.

I do agree that clients who treat providers well are going to be more valued than those who treat escorts like a product. Bargaining for a discounts or shopping internationally for a place where they can take advantage of an impoverished community by paying half price for the same service.

[Thelatin]

This “community” thing always annoys me.  Who makes the rules?  How many of them do I have to disagree with before I’m given the boot?  My guess is simply by asking I’m ostracized:) 

[pubic_assistance]

1 hour ago, Thelatin said:

This “community” thing always annoys me.  Who makes the rules?

You should ask @KensingtonHomo He seems to consider himself the gatekeeper of all things homosexual.

My understanding is that there are more than a few bisexual members here, so I don't understand how our experience, and commentary about hiring pros and being offered discounts is going to be drastically different from that of the 100% homosexual community.

Most people here seem to agree that there are two major considerations:  You're either better looking than most of the provider's clients or you're kind/considerate and generous, as @MtnVwGuy has mentioned. It was also discussed that rather than a "discount" you may receive and extended session or more intimate services than other clients are getting (YMMV) Although, I would comment that MY personal perspective on this would be that these additional treats can tend to be more of a working-the-tip issue than an offer of freebies. I know when a masseur takes a massage session into the erotic or sexual realm, I never consider this a "free gift", I am sure to compensate appropriately for the additional adult entertainment.

[+ DrownedBoy]

If by "client attitude " you mean hiring consistency,  then yes, that's the major way to make "discounts." Regulars I have a good relationship with locked me in at pre pandemic prices. I make it up through continual hiring and gifts.

[MikeBiDude]

While I’ve never gotten the “in shape good looking” discount,…twice over the past many years I’ve had two providers turn into friends/relationships and the cash exchange stopped or changed…one once told me “I can’t take your money anymore”. So more the “get to know me and my personality” discount 😉

[Rudynate]

I had a guy tell me I was a "singular"client when I answered the door.   High praise coming from someone that many consider to be a "singular" provider.

[DWnyc]

The most frequent reason I’ve been offered discounts is because the figurative rent check is due, and a discount is better than a zero revenue alternative, or it’s a means to getting more overall (tips, extended or repeat bookings, referrals).

Most providers are business people first and foremost, and they’re not going to take a loss or a lower margin just because they’re going to enjoy part of their job more than they otherwise might. 

I think there’s a little game some don’t understand especially if they consider themselves above average. The seasoned provider will see through that, and just as he might tell someone he appreciates their humor / intelligence / kindness / power in real life etc (when he actually sees the self perception)  he can play on that and validate with a gesture that brings in more in the long run. That’s smart business.