Discount for in shape, good-looking and younger clients?

[+ APPLE1]

1) I think providers may give discounts in a variety of ways, and for a variety of reasons. 

2) FETISH, in regard to sex, is often misapplied. It bears an accurate definition. From the Cambridge Dictionary: a sexual interest in an object or a part of the body other than the sexual organs. 

Finding a particular physical attribute attractive or desirable, no matter how rare that belief may be, is not mutually inclusive with "fetish."  3) To believe that "discounts" and pricing are relavant only to 3 personal subjective definitions of who is sexy, and is therefore the ideal provider, is narrow and pompous.

4) "Intolerance is evidence of impotence" - Crowley. And while that is not the world I want to live, or hire in, I do recognize that it would certainly simplify things. No pics, limited stats, and no wordy profiles. Websites could simply list age, body fat %, and then have a man, or a woman, sit at a screen and assign a "good looking" rating to providers and clients.

-18, 8%, website rates you 10; color your nails however you want, and adorn yourself with any tattoo, because you are beyond reproach! 

-25, 10%, 8; you get 1/2 the fee of an 18 y/o, and your haggard old ass is not entitled to a deposit! 

-30, 11%, 7; 1/4 and take the senior shuttle grandpa, no way in hell are you being sent an Uber! 

-35; no more really needs to be said. You can't advertise on the platform, and the nursing home shouldn't be allowing you to access deviant websites! 

[Rod Hagen]

When I was in my earliest 30s, I offered a discount ($150 vs. $220) to clients 18-25 years old.  It was a tactic in an overall strategy to obtain more clients.  I figured being 31, I wasn't old enough to be a daddy, but could certainly fill an "older/wiser" sibling role.  It worked!  And it was fun because these were guys who otherwise would not have had the experience (it was the "discount" that pulled them in), I felt fortunate to have come up with something both opportunistic and supportive.

Speaking of tactics.  If there are escorts in whom you are interested, but in their ads or reputations they seem to discriminate, keep an eye on them.  Escorting is a BIG step, and for some new escorts it might just be what they need to do to that feel ok with it.  If they continue to escort, their requirements will almost certainly shift as they become more comfortable, happy with, the job.  If they retire quickly, they likely didn't enjoy escorting and you dodged a bullet.

Edited March 26 by Rod Hagen

[+ KensingtonHomo]

On 3/20/2024 at 9:54 AM, pubic_assistance said:

You should ask @KensingtonHomo He seems to consider himself the gatekeeper of all things homosexual.

My understanding is that there are more than a few bisexual members here, so I don't understand how our experience, and commentary about hiring pros and being offered discounts is going to be drastically different from that of the 100% homosexual community.

The only thing I'm interested in "gatekeeping" is your nasty commentary about people's appearance or sexual proclivities. I have many bi and pan friends who are engaged in the larger queer community - attending events, going to shows, organizing and activism, and patronizing queer-owned businesses. From how you describe your life, you're not doing any of that. So, your experience and commentary reflect a narrow, jaundiced view of what is attractive and erotic for most queer men. 

It's really easy not to be cruel. About 80 percent of the guys lusted over on here hold virtually no appeal for me, so I do not comment on them, their appearance, or "yuck the yum" of people who hire them. I am not attracted to the guys you think are hot. But I don't belittle you about hiring significantly younger men who fit a very narrow Western ideal of beauty. I also don't drag the guys who are into bodybuilders or "straight" guys. 

 

[Simon Suraci]

Nobody can speak for the entire LGBTQ+ community. We all have different experiences, identities, preferences, worldviews, and ways of living. It comes down to respect. I’d rather celebrate our vast diversity. Celebrate things we have in common too. Respect and move on from the things we don’t have in common.

There is no reason to put others down. Body shaming, toxic masculinity, racism, transphobia, kink shaming, and othering have no legitimate place here. I’d rather certain members keep their toxic revulsion to themselves, but here we are and it’s not going away anytime soon. It’s part of the world and this is a microcosm of that world. We can’t change the problematic people.

The best I think we can do is focus on celebrating our overlapping interests with positive comments and respecting differences, whatever those may be. Also move on from, or not participate in conversations about stuff that doesn’t interest us. Agree to disagree where we meet an impasse.

Yuks and yums. We all have ‘em. There is no universal standard, and I am grateful for that. I don’t fit a lot of clients’ preferences. But I do fit other clients’ preferences. The right clients gravitate to me and love my work. I love the diversity my clients represent in terms of age, race, identity, ability, body type, and interests. They’re all different because I am not selecting them; they’re selecting me. I appeal to many types of people and I gladly serve them all.

This is a business. I have to pay my bills whether or not my clients fit any particular beauty standard, be it yours, the “majority’s”, or mine. Their money is as good to me as anyone else’s.

That’s one of the many reasons I see no point in discounting services for a certain type of person. My time, skills, and effort offer value regardless of what the client looks like. It behooves me to fill my schedule with people who value my time and talents the way I do. Every slot filled with discount clients is time I am not developing clients that value me as much as I do. Time NOT working is valuable to me too.

One of the keys to success is attracting and retaining the right clients. Quantity matters, but quality even moreso. I value clients that value me.

[jmichaeliii]

Interesting topic that always has me curious.  I am a mid fifties guy that could use to lose 25 pounds.   Not way out of shape, but certainly not a cut stud.

I have booked some very hot providers in my short time doing this and I have had steamy sessions with almost all of them.  Some with hot playtime, fucking at times.  All of them are like redwoods through the session.

It goes through my mind whether these guys are great actors or are they really having a great time too?  Part of what I love in a session is reciprocating to the provider and wanting to make them feel good.  Maybe they really are enjoying as much as I am..

[Your Man in Arlington]

15 hours ago, jmichaeliii said:

It goes through my mind whether these guys are great actors or are they really having a great time too?  Part of what I love in a session is reciprocating to the provider and wanting to make them feel good.  Maybe they really are enjoying as much as I am.

Me, too. I would actually be willing to pay a higher rate (rather than look for a discount) for a provider who enjoys (or at least finds a way to enjoy) meeting up, since it makes a better experience for me.

[Rod Hagen]

1 hour ago, Your Man in Arlington said:

Me, too. I would actually be willing to pay a higher rate (rather than look for a discount) for a provider who enjoys (or at least finds a way to enjoy) meeting up, since it makes a better experience for me.

Oddly, often the guys who charge WAY above average aren't digging the job.  And many of us who do love the work, charge average or below and always have.

[jmichaeliii]

21 minutes ago, Rod Hagen said:

Oddly, often the guys who charge WAY above average aren't digging the job.  And many of us who do love the work, charge average or below and always have.

I find that to be the case too.

[+ DrownedBoy]

23 hours ago, jmichaeliii said:

It goes through my mind whether these guys are great actors or are they really having a great time too?

If it's any consolation, that concern is not limited to providers.

[+ KensingtonHomo]

9 hours ago, jmichaeliii said:

I find that to be the case too.

Same. You can tell the guys who really love sex and love doing it with a variety of people and don't have a ton of hang-ups. Some of them are strikingly beautiful but most are more average good looking or a specific type. I also find there's more variety in body type and fitness regimes. They tend to be active in sports or exercise that's mostly outside of the gym. 

[Alex93108]

I personally know someone who is a member here who has

-received freebies

-routinely quoted below market rates.

I think he's very handsome and a lovely individual, he's getting older though, and we all know white / pale/ faire haired men don't age well. 

I doubt providers will give him a discount on his beautiful soul, ( he does have a beautiful soul) but it would be interesting if he continues to get favors once he turns 40 and > 

Most providers see me as an ATM machine - no discounts for me!

Edited : Not sure why people find this sad - it's the sad truth perhaps? 

Edited March 29 by Alex93108

[pubic_assistance]

On 3/26/2024 at 8:19 PM, jmichaeliii said:

Maybe they really are enjoying as much as I am..

They're not.

It's theatre. You're paying for the illusion.

[jmichaeliii]

9 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

They're not.

It's theatre. You're paying for the illusion.

Makes me wonder.  I've been seeing a guy for about a year and I do some things for him that are beyond your typical MT, Oral, etc and judging from what I hear,  he seems to be enjoying!  Not to mention the final result.  

I hope he is and it's not all fake.  I get much more from a session with a provider that likes being taken care of also.

[pubic_assistance]

This is very simple.

If you're PAYING someone for sex, they're not actually into you.

*boom*

 

[Your Man in Arlington]

1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said:

If you're PAYING someone for sex, they're not actually into you.

There are guys who are just plain into sex or particular sex acts and the way they feel (what someone can do for them), and if it doesn't matter so much with whom, money can be a deciding factor. Others are sexually into being paid for sex.

Still others will find some particular quality they're into about someone they're not generally into, that it makes the experience together pleasurable. I fell into this last particular category when I was working.

Like everything related to human behavior, sexuality is not black and white. This may all still equate to "they're not actually into you," but it's a more nuanced topic than *boom*.

[pubic_assistance]

1 hour ago, Your Man in Arlington said:

money can be a deciding factor. Othe

Correct.

They are attracted to the money 🤑...not you .

[caramelsub]

3 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

This is very simple.

If you're PAYING someone for sex, they're not actually into you.

*boom*

 

I don’t think it’s that simple actually. I’m not bragging, but many of the guys that I’ve hired love getting sucked or rimmed by me. I can tell they like it because they have no problem getting hard or cumming. I don’t bottom as I am a side, but escorts are always asking me if I would like to bottom for them. Some people just like sex. 

[jmichaeliii]

26 minutes ago, caramelsub said:

I don’t think it’s that simple actually. I’m not bragging, but many of the guys that I’ve hired love getting sucked or rimmed by me. I can tell they like it because they have no problem getting hard or cumming. I don’t bottom as I am a side, but escorts are always asking me if I would like to bottom for them. Some people just like sex. 

I agree.  I'm not naive enough to think the money is not a major factor but I see 2 guys and we have a great time everytime.  I don't see where they can't have their cake and eat it too.  I have been with providers that go through the motions and leave at the end, but there are some where you just click.  I find simply being nice and respectful results in a much higher level experience.  Some people can just be jerks, so if we both like being around each other why can't the experience be mutually enjoyable?

[+ DrownedBoy]

I keep thinking about this line from either a TV show or movie, from the 1990s. If anyone recognizes where it came from, please reply.

"You must be one of those people who believe hookers when they say they like you."

[GTMike]

Seems to be some folks on here who think everything based on their experience shapes the totality of everyones experience and therefore is absolutely reductively correct.

I'm totally not saying that I'm young and good-looking but for my age am told by providers that I'm desirable and packaged with personality and ambiance a "more enjoyable" client.

Remember in a professional capacity they are NOT at a bar/club looking to personally hook-up or find their partner.  We're already assuming they're working.

I will say that many providers I've encountered through the years may not "discount" their fee out of the gate based solely on looks.

Some commenters on here state they don't hire for escorting and only massage. Different market.

In many cases Deli types  will "discount" rates for future meetings because they may prefer one client over another based on personality, looks, etc..

And 100% I know many will spend more time hanging out beyond stated hourly rates if you're "appealing" versus sticking to firm contracted time windows and very professionally and appropriately ending meet-ups exactly when time expires. Others may disagree but I would categorize that as a form of discounting.

[Lohengrin1979]

Fascinating topic and not surprised at all that Pubic and Marylander have used it to mention weight and physical fitness. They just can’t resist. 
 

While not quite in the classification of “prize hog” that Pubic loves to focus on, I do carry extra weight and the flush of my 20’s and 30’s are past. I have received discounts, however, both upfront and after many sessions, because I’m often deemed as “sweet, kind, and funny.” I do not tip overly generously, either.

I agree with some commenters above that we too often on this board take our experiences and paint them with broad strokes across the “community,” be that the LGBTQ community or the hiring one. Pubic has an asshole and an opinion. Sometimes his views are useful, sometimes they aren’t. Same goes for all of us on here. Now if you’ll all excuse me, I have to register for some state fairs down South. According to Pubic, I could earn some prize money and hiring has become expensive!

[+ KensingtonHomo]

1 hour ago, Lohengrin1979 said:

Fascinating topic and not surprised at all that Pubic and Marylander have used it to mention weight and physical fitness. They just can’t resist. 

Yes, they're as predictable daylight savings time. 

I honestly feel for them on some level. People who judge others harshly usually treat themselves the same way. 

That said, I know I won't convince them that they're anything but savvy realists. But as someone who has friendly relationships with providers and providers who've been friends, I know that Jamie and Simon's explanation of their experience is closer to reality, e.g., some guys really enjoy their work and have enjoyable encounters with a wide range of clients. Some folk self-select for negative experiences. 

[Rod Hagen]

7 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

Correct.

They are attracted to the money 🤑...not you .

Facile and silly response.  To pick just one attribute, a tongue made for rimming is attractive wether or not there's money on the table. 

[marylander1940]

13 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

This is very simple.

If you're PAYING someone for sex, they're not actually into you.

*boom*

 

That's usually the case but handsome clients happen once or twice per year according to what my escort friends tell me.

Handsome = someone they'll fuck for fee and date. 

Edited March 30 by marylander1940

[+ APPLE1]

On 3/29/2024 at 8:37 PM, marylander1940 said:

Handsome = someone they'll fuck for fee and date. 

That seems a perfect illustration of the point regarding individualized experiences not transferring to everyone. Based on what you have said it seems that the phrase is likely true of the people you know and hang out with. And that is not a slam against you or them.

While I certainly don't doubt those people exist, I can't say I know any, or know any well. Everyone I know, would likely fall into handsome = someone I'd fuck for free. However, fucking a second time for free, let alone date, requires more! Beauty is divisible by MANY things.