Where are the boys?

[Rocca]

Is it me or does it seem like there are even fewer escorts and masseurs participating on this forum lately? What’s happening? There weren’t many on here a year ago, but there seems to be even fewer ones now. Have they been run off?

[MscleLovr]

Perhaps they’re busy looking for clients and working 😎

[jeezifonly]

Websites are passé for young people, I am told. 

Social Media is the portal to exchange media, information, opinions, and more - all the enjoyment on offer here is obtainable within their preferred apps and their alts. 

[+ DynamicUno]

7 hours ago, Rocca said:

Is it me or does it seem like there are even fewer escorts and masseurs participating on this forum lately? What’s happening? There weren’t many on here a year ago, but there seems to be even fewer ones now. Have they been run off?

As noted, webforums are a bit old-fashioned.  Also, it's a bit dicey for providers to engage a forum like this.  There's a few members that get antagonistic with providers who advocate for themselves and interacting with them at length can only hurt the provider's own image.   A few guys like Juan Vancouver could do it well, but for many there's more risk than benefit.

[Jamie21]

I participate! But I do understand the point made by @DynamicUno. There’s an element of risk that potential clients might be put off by comments or views expressed here.

I’m of the opinion however that if I’m being true to myself with opinions on here then anyone who is put off by that is probably a client I don’t want to see anyway because the dynamic wouldn’t work. Everyone wins that way because I don’t want to see clients who expect something different to what I do nor do I want clients to be disappointed. I want them to love it and come back. 

 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

As an escort, you ideally post in a place like this when you already have a solid base.

That allows you to have an honest exchange with posters here versus just being a Pollyanna.  

Also, a lot of new escorts simply don't have the natural (or learned) skill to be able to effectively communicate here.  Writing, especially, takes effort and skill to look effortless.

I know many escorts who tell me they'd never post here.  I can understand that.

 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

And, just because it's the first thing that came to mind when reading the headline...

 

[+ DrownedBoy]

8 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

I participate! But I do understand the point made by @DynamicUno. There’s an element of risk that potential clients might be put off by comments or views expressed here.

There are providers, including several I know, who lurk at this site, but would only post if they're under attack. CoM does have good currency when it comes to making or breaking RM reputations.

Edited July 25, 2023 by DrownedBoy

[CuriousByNature]

3 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

And, just because it's the first thing that came to mind when reading the headline...

 

You beat me to it!  Lol.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

23 hours ago, Rocca said:

Is it me or does it seem like there are even fewer escorts and masseurs participating on this forum lately? What’s happening? There weren’t many on here a year ago, but there seems to be even fewer ones now. Have they been run off?

Well, hate to break it but: this section was once ask an escort, now it’s ask Questions about hiring. Not dissing the update but, it didn’t exactly “further inclusion” by providers. So…

But other thing, I have found a new community where sex work is discussed more by providers. Albeit it’s mostly women, and tend to operate on a different pricing: they seem much more open to initiating discussions and topics, even among clients who actively read and post.

I just feel many of the MSM pay community like to play the safe route: presenting a facade and avoiding transparency. Understandable if you’re protecting your bottom line, but not great for the better good of those in the industry. 
 

Also, the current sites don’t seem to be directing providers to the platform as much as prior sites. Remember, Rentboy used to direct us to daddy’s reviews. Now RentMen/masseur has become its own review platform. It’s not as necessary to win over people here for reviews. 

IMO, for an escort to want to post here, they have to really want to engage and be a part. Since the forum seems mostly client oriented, I can see how some wouldn’t want to step into the lion’s den…

Edited July 26, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Vulgarii]

8 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

And, just because it's the first thing that came to mind when reading the headline...

 

I will always think of the mom in the movie The Craft that had "a jukebox that played nothing but Connie Francis records," when I see or hear that name. 

 

 

 

Anyways, as a provider there's only a few other providers I've met in person so I don't really care about who is being discussed and the same questions and discussions are brought up so the forum fizzled out for me.

 

I think all the boys are at that "forum" where they just leak onlyfans content, talk shit about pornstars, escorts, and wannabes, and seem to get into real legal drama every now and then. This forum is quite vanilla compare to what "the boys" are doing now.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

10 hours ago, Vulgarii said:

I will always think of the mom in the movie The Craft that had "a jukebox that played nothing but Connie Francis records," when I see or hear that name. 

That was a great line.  

I also always liked 'I don't know, she doesn't want to be white trash anymore.  I told her you're white honey...  Just get over it'

[Rocca]

After thinking about it some more and listening to the feedback, I totally get why they’re not on this forum anymore. They are working, busy with their lives, and on TikTok, Twitter, and Instagram. And likely don’t see much benefit in being on the forum. It makes sense.

[+ DrownedBoy]

16 hours ago, Rocca said:

After thinking about it some more and listening to the feedback, I totally get why they’re not on this forum anymore. They are working, busy with their lives, and on TikTok, Twitter, and Instagram. And likely don’t see much benefit in being on the forum. It makes sense.

That's a shame. Reading is a lost art, and providers taking the time to read this forum would have a market advantage,  even if they only lurk.

[Jamie21]

Insights about what clients like or look for can be helpful but that’s not why I’m here. I just find the posts amusing and interesting on the whole. I think the discourse and courtesy is better here than other forums or places like Twitter (which I avoid any interaction on…I just post porn on there 😂).

I’ve picked up a little business from it, which is welcome, but the main point of it for me is amusement at the stories and at the misapprehension of some commentators about how the business works. 

[+ purplekow]

On 7/25/2023 at 6:18 PM, BenjaminNicholas said:

And, just because it's the first thing that came to mind when reading the headline...

 

A much more innocent time.  I found it melancholy.  But there were some very handsome men and you could tell it was the 60s.  Lots of those guys likely went to Viet Nam and were never the same again.  

[CuriousByNature]

Hopefully people are just very busy. But I wonder if the nastiness that is often part of some posts might be a reason to no longer engage - life can be negative enough as it is. 

I really find absences disappointing because many of the enlightened posts came from providers, and reading dialogue between providers gave an insight into their experiences and dynamics.  Much more than ad copy or photos can offer.  I'm glad to see some still post regulary and I enjoy what they write even if I don't always agree with what is written. I respect them. 

I only hope others like AnthonyPhilly and the masseur Kenzo, might return to post again.  Each seemed to have a level of kindness that came through their posts. 

I also wish BigDale the client would return one day because I found him to be no-nonsense and hilarious in many of his online interactions. 

I haven't been on the forum long enough to be harkening back to the 'glory days'...lol

[NJF]

3 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

Insights about what clients like or look for can be helpful but that’s not why I’m here. I just find the posts amusing and interesting on the whole. I think the discourse and courtesy is better here than other forums or places like Twitter (which I avoid any interaction on…I just post porn on there 😂).

I’ve picked up a little business from it, which is welcome, but the main point of it for me is amusement at the stories and at the misapprehension of some commentators about how the business works. 

Not sure whether Elon had thought the implications of rebranding Twitter to X. To me it means “pornhub”. 

Edited July 28, 2023 by NJF

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

6 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

That's a shame. Reading is a lost art, and providers taking the time to read this forum would have a market advantage,  even if they only lurk.

Realistically, this message board would not give any escort a market advantage.

5 hours ago, CuriousByNature said:

 I haven't been on the forum long enough to be harkening back to the 'glory days'...lol

The true glory days were the Hooboy days, when his site took in a massive amount of traffic, generated solid money and the message board was absolutely insane.

It was like the wild west... But somehow it was still adventurous fun, even when you were the main target. 

[Simon Suraci]

Short pockets of time here and there I find to read and contribute. A lot of the time I’m busy working. Currently on a four city tour and it’s been a crazy busy time. Booked back to back morning to night every single day for weeks now. I’m exhausted.

I enjoy learning more about the biz, trends, and how clients think. I do this for market research too. I’m also a client, at least for massage anyway. Sometimes people forget that. It’s entertaining here if nothing else. That’s probably the biggest reason I stick around.

Clients tell me from time to time my approach on the forums directly or indirectly influenced their decision to hire me. That’s just a bonus. I could spend my marketing time more effectively in other ways. It’s just a positive outcome. You can learn a lot more here than you ever could on a short ad bio, and clients like that.

Call me old fashioned, but I would rather read things here than on other major social media platforms for a few reasons:

1) No algorithms curating what I see or don’t see. Nothing reinforcing extreme content or views. If I don’t like something or have no interest, I make a conscious decision to scroll on.

2) A greater percentage of members are willing to engage in civil, thoughtful dialogue. More of us are invested in making our community better for everyone. Big social media is not like that at all.

3) The content is focused largely on shared interests and related niche MSM topics, more specifically those on hiring. That creates a natural filter for things I am more likely to be interested in, have experience with, or have something constructive to contribute.

4) There’s more space than 140 characters (or whatever limit du jour), and people here actually read. Sure we use images, but most of what we post here requires reading comprehension to engage. That’s refreshing when the rest of the world only has the attention span long enough to view a catchy headline or a photo.

5) It’s easier to search for and reference things.

[italianboyph]

I participate as much as I can

[+ Tygerscent]

Quote

 

Well… anyone on FFO, OF, Twitter, Instagram has their own platform and chat space… those venues bring them income just by being there~ They don’t actually need a forum to be social. They already have that and they get paid thru those venues~   
 I have a long history with this forum~ Came in right at the tail end of Hooboy~ Then stayed on thru the Daddy years~ (both on and off site since we lived relatively close together in the Pacific Northwest).    
  So, I’m dedicated~   
 I chat with my circle mainly off site though~ 
  

Edited July 28, 2023 by Tygerscent

[+ Tygerscent]

12 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

Realistically, this message board would not give any escort a market advantage.

The true glory days were the Hooboy days, when his site took in a massive amount of traffic, generated solid money and the message board was absolutely insane.

It was like the wild west... But somehow it was still adventurous fun, even when you were the main target. 

Yes… also with Hooboys and early Daddys the review aspect was organizes differently and had much more weight… what you could add, write about with legal comfort was quite different then: ie. Rates and basic language~ That changed profoundly in the states due to more legal regulation of that sort of content.   
 Twitter, FFO etc., have more freedom~ They worked around the regulations where as other sites like Men4rentnow etc., felt pressure to modify their content or risk being held liable for it~   
 The level of censorship on those sites increased. 
 So, even in terms of time: if a provider is earning instant income, on other platforms, set up for income, where will they dedicate their time~?   
People will tend to do what is practical and convenient for them.

Edited July 28, 2023 by Tygerscent

[+ tassojunior]

On 7/25/2023 at 2:04 AM, Rocca said:

Is it me or does it seem like there are even fewer escorts and masseurs participating on this forum lately? What’s happening? There weren’t many on here a year ago, but there seems to be even fewer ones now. Have they been run off?

I suspect many of the ones who would participate in an online forum have the wits to also get on the media-influencer gravy train which can keep guys with even decent looks busy but also has huge rewards. Many of them have influencer companies that manage them but many are smart enough to get the hang of it themselves. Juicy JC yesterday had an IG story about how he started and how many hours he forces himself to write and post on the social media sites whether he feels like it or not.  The choice is often a post on a forum or another $200 personal vid on Skype or on a social media site. The more followers, the more pay as influencers. Nick Swollford said the routine is to get 100K IG or Twitter followers and turn that into 10K OnlyFans subscribers which pretty much means a perpetual $10K/month minimum "after taxes" . (OF only charges 20% of subs and posted vids for sale. There's also tips and private shows on skype which many guys do for $100 or $200 a vid as often as possible.) Of course a well-known guy doing "dates" or "massages" can easily also turn $10K/month "after taxes" so whether it's a net of $120K/yr or more, their time is better spent online working IG, Twitter, TikTok, Telegram, etc and harvesting thousands of followers with online time. Here's the newest example; a short pudgy guy on Long Island who set his socials and OF up on his 18th birthday a couple months ago and now has almost 200K IG followers alone. https://www.instagram.com/itsmichaeldoherty/ .

In short, if a guy is hot enough to escort and smart enough to post on forums, he should be working social media sites also and it's amazing how many of the big ones are too lazy to even do that in spite of how much it pays for a half hour online. 

 

Edited July 28, 2023 by tassojunior

[Luv2play]

17 hours ago, NJF said:

Not sure whether Elon had thought the implications of rebranding Twitter to X. To me it means “pornhub”. 

My gut feeling is that the rebranding is going to be a big flop, like the NewCoke. Sometimes you have to move with the times, like BlackBerry didn't, and you perish. Other times, you stick with a good thing and work to improve it, like Microsoft or Apple. And prosper.