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Certain areas are cheaper or about the same in summer. I know in South Florida there’s the “low season” from June to October. That’s when the seasonals go back to the northeast/Midwest from the humidity and hurricanes. However other places up north can tend to be higher. Or somewhere like Orlando with year round tourists, seems like July thru full is about the best times. I try to get around it though by not booking hotels Friday and Saturday nights as those are most expensive. Plus most clients tend to book during the week it seems in many areas. Although I find major areas like San Francisco and Washington, D.C. get more hits on the weekends. Probably b/c traffic during the week is so oppressive lol.

Let’s also not forget the clients who do the same thing to providers also on a regular basis. Like this one client who been trying to schedule but has been so unreliable and full of shit. What makes so bad is he did show up once before, but that’s the problem sometimes: these guys show up once but then turn into an asshole: case in point from this message: And it’s these same types who don’t want to send a deposit, yet they can’t be reliable to show up in the first place. Like he was already playing on my Grindr previously. I told him now don’t contact me again if you can’t text me directly. And then going to try and gaslight me into thinking it’s not him who’s full of shit at this point. He just fucking cancelled today saying his schedule got mixed up and that (no lie) his buddy wants to hookup again smh 🤦🏽‍♂️ then you going to come around and say I was hard to pin down? So I can probably see why some escorts would cancel a trip. Maybe out of spite. I know I don’t like dealing with this kind of stupidity while already having overheads to deal with. But jokes on him because I already had 2 other clients show up, and a 3rd one on the way. I wish they would take their stupid games somewhere else, far away from escort/masseur sites. Like a discussion happening on another site. Like how they trying to have sex with AND get on our bad side at the same time 🤦🏽‍♂️

I’m laughing at this comparison (although I get how you mean). Having been to both Vegas and Omaha multiple times: they are nothing alike lol. For one, Vegas Ads are consistently thick with dozens of providers year around. Omaha, does not. Vegas also attracts tourists from all around, whereas Omaha is more like the regional tourists from Iowa/the Dakotas, etc. Believe it or not, I think Omaha is a better example of a city than Vegas lol. However the weather in Omaha gets so crazy, between giant hail storms and blizzards: Not enough gays with money find it an attractive resort location. However Omaha isn’t the wasteland you’d think it is. It just seems that way in comparison to the more crowded markets. The reality is, a lot of those “in demand/buyer’s market” gay cities like Miami, Orlando, Atlanta, Nashville, Dallas, Chicago, Las Vegas, California (although Cali is technically a country of its own): all those cities are so ran thru, it’s hard to make any fast money in those places unless you lucky to be able to stay there long enough to build regulars or a specific “sugar” guy. I’ve gone to so many of those cities and waited for days on end for a booking, whereas I can go to somewhere like Omaha and have my time accounted for a couple days. At not nearly the cost of some of the other cities I can’t speak for Vegas specifically or anyone else who tours there: but for me I do the same, advertising in multiple cities. RentMen does allow up to 12 travel locations on the new platform version. 6 cities “nearby” (a 200-300 mile range) and 6 that one can put travel dates for. Equals 13 if include the current location. I definitely take full advantage of that. The issue I see is, too many clients see the ads and assume it means instant availability. Or people expect us to have travel plans before we’ve even been able to finance it. I actually do try to 99% of time visit all the cities I advertise in. But in some cases, the commute to get there is too far and not as many want to book in advance like it used to be. Even if I get 5 clients hitting me up asking if I’m available “today”, that doesn’t help if I’m trying to plan the city 2-3 weeks from now and it’s 1,000 miles away. I tried that with Buffalo, and not enough were willing to schedule ahead, so I had to bin the trip a couple times. Maybe this year I’ll make it work finally. Something with the escort travel system needs to change. I’ve had to say everything from “dates in my ad are openings/flexible” to “all travel cities require confirmed clients”, but few really seem to notice or understand it. I was just talking to a client today who: I been suggesting he book me a day in advance. However he was only able to do same day appointments a few hours in advance. We finally got to meet but, I was running like an hour behind the time I was aiming for. Getting ready can suck up so much time. Some will reach out less than 24 hours notice in some cities, and expect on time with a limited window. It’s not always possible. I tried to reschedule one guy who wanted to meet basically “before 3 p.m. the next day” in a city that was 5.5 hours away from me. Although I was planning the city anyway for other requests, hotels may or may not allow check in before 3 p.m. Many are also charging $25-$50 early check in fees. I also didn’t want to have to leave at night to get there early, because I’m hating driving more than a couple hours in the dark anymore. Dude gets pissed off at me, and I’m like dude: my ad states what my in-call hours are. Sometimes I can flex it, other times it’s too much trouble to make happen if they can’t be flexible. It just makes the whole touring/travel thing a headache sometimes. That’s why nowadays I mainly only go to cities where I know I have friends, crushes, or specific clients as main purpose. Then I can incorporate other bookings once I’m there. I don’t like playing the gamble game and thinking if I spend $XXX amount on hotels for 2-3 days, I can recoup that money back AND make a profit. Because it doesn’t always happen, and it may require staying longer than 2-3 days to do it. I did a trip to San Diego couple years back, I had to stay for a week before I even booked my first two clients. I only managed to stay because I had friend’s place to stay: but in the past I’ve gone to cities and left within a day or 2 if there’s nothing but flakes and no money coming in.

Comparing an escort rate over $300 to the cost of marriage and divorce?? Even $1,000 an hour wouldn’t put a dent in the actual costs that would involved 🤣 It is true. I seen a client the other day who had an amount I won’t even mention in his account, that he was paying me from. Not that it’s my business or comparing to anyone else: But the thing some people don’t understand is: we’re advertising to MANY income brackets. Why make $300 a universal price, when some people may have $100,000 or MORE, at their disposal? I had one guy pay me $800 to reimburse for him having to cancel a session. People here would drag a person to hell over how that’s totally unjustified. However when you say “better educated” it seems like you’re insinuating (maybe not intentionally) that education comes in the form of “getting a better priced provider”. I’ll comment on that in a sec: Exactly. Some clients seem to not understand how hotels work. Idk why some don’t, but for anyone who doesn’t: We don’t get 24 hours of usage. Early check in/late check out has been cut back a lot at many hotels unless you’re a top tier member. So one can pay X amount for a room, and still not even be able to have enough time to book enough clients unless they are willing to shell out additional funds the next morning. So many times for me, I’m only booking 1 to 2 clients per hotel “night” of payment How much is an uber? I don’t use uber but: recently I did a trip the other month and I had $850 car repair bill during the visit. Fortunately one of my good “sponsors” was able to make a deal: but still, a few bucks Uber is small in comparison. Same for when some don’t understand why I have a $400 minimum when I travel to cities. All that wear and tear may not show up until down the line, and guess who has to pay for it when it comes up? This is also why I have mostly retired big city traveling. I will advertise remotely or visit them when I have other plans, but I’m just no longer taking the risks to travel to big cities for now. I have a trip to Los Angeles coming up but I’m ensuring weeks of advertising and definitive bunking plans. And with any other city: I’m hosting by appointment only. Too many clients see Ads and think we’re just hosting by default. Where is that money supposed to magically come from, other clients? Then some don’t want to pay deposits either so: I’m expected to take money I made from another client, to fund a time slot for the next client? That USED to work back when there were a few sites like CL/Men4rent/Rentboy/Backpage: But now there’s only a couple main sites, and the hookup apps are so hit or miss or the clients looking don’t want to pay enough to begin with. I believe some of the guys who are doing big cities, might have corporate or other functions to make that happen: but straight freelancing, it’s too many other providers and the costs associated to visit them is too much. Exactly! Don’t forget to add: home/car repairs (because we’re often expected to magically be able to host or travel on a moments notice), sick days, hotel in-calls etc etc. And let’s not talk about how some clients get so freaked out over an escort staying at a sketchy incall or hotel lol. But you wanted to only pay $$$ max right? So I need to budget accordingly. I’m not about to fuck solely to cover the cost of lodging 🤣 Not just in NYC exclusively, even the “up and coming/trying to revive” metropolitan areas. I reside in Missouri and both Kansas City and St. Louis: typically referred to as “cheaper” cities have become high priced and…there’s hardly any business anymore especially on RentMen. Nobody is booking unless you have $150 or $200 as a price: which people don’t understand means seeing a lot of other men to add up to a reasonable profit. So don’t complain about soft dick or not able to cum, if looking in that range. You don’t get, what you don’t pay for 🤷🏾‍♂️ But all these other dudes are either flakes or have a problem with paying to begin with. So it’s actually created a situation where I do have to charge more, just to get enough from the advertising. People expect me to charge $200 or LESS: something that I would have maybe 10 years ago, and somehow still be able to maintain: All in all:

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with this question: but it’s definitely going to make a difference what the answer is: And it’s a good thing it’s come up because you’ll be surprised how often guys online will say, “I don’t get fucked by bottoms” even if “vers” is in the Top’s profile. Though I understand the “premise” behind the fantasy, I’m not going to necessarily co-sign on the belief of it being a valid assumption. I’ve had many a bottom client compliment my ass and in some rare cases…take it to another level. I’ve also seen “White Dom” guys be the target of such fantasies, usually by confused men of color (including but not limited to) who are obsessed with the idea of an exclusively White (and often times “straight/married) Top. My experience proves differently lol

This is pretty fairly said. I can’t count how many “same day” appointments I get or even the day prior but still not 24 hours notice. Not to mention, so many clients see our ads travel cities and assume we are there and available that day. Even if my ad is up in an area, it’s usually in advance. I’m not always looking for someone to ask me to meet “tonight”. Sometimes I just need to gather interest and figure out what kind of plans I can either come up with in an area. They think we all just “show up” just because the ad is up. I’ve encountered such things before but I think often the #1 problem that even clients need to start realizing: a lot of clients just aren’t very available. And it’s not always fair to expect the escort to “be there and be square” with 15 minutes grace period. Yes…a stellar planning escort can make each appointment on time, but it’s all often last minute and not “routine” commutes. I allow myself both client sex and regular sex. Most “successful regular sex” with non-client men tends to happen in the evening or late night: it’s often the times that single, professional, 20s-40s aged men are out meeting guys on apps or a bar. In contrast: many clients often have “odd” hours they want to meet. Some want to meet in the middle of the “work day”. Or mid-morning. Sometimes that doesn’t allow time to travel or finish up the day’s plans. And evenings are also sometimes booked as well. I’ve decided I need to start sticking to set booking hours: which for me means incalls with me hosting needs to be after 3, and hosting after noon. It all ties into the check in/check out times of hotels as well. I don’t have the luxury to host from home as much anymore for the time being. So I have to operate on a schedule that doesn’t conflict with my mornings or travel time to the next destination. In my opinion: I believe the hookup app culture and not so distance social media culture, is to blame. It seems like every man out here is juggling multiple options. They have clients, they have fuck buds, and hookup app possibilities: all going in in the same night. I have seen my friends, I even seen clients: just constantly on a mission to cruise on these apps. I’ve been with clients and hear the dreaded Super Mario brother’s type of sound coming from their phone…which likely sounds like another message 🤣 People think having endless options is a good thing. But in the Hookup lifestyle, it just leads to a whole lot of unreliability and people playing games. I had to deal with it last night from someone (non client) I thought was going to come over to my hotel: which I was hoping to make use for considering I only booked it for 1 night (potential fuck boy in blue box, me in grey box) *EDIT: Screen shots are not permitted

This is pretty fairly said. I can’t count how many “same day” appointments I get or even the day prior but still not 24 hours notice. Not to mention, so many clients see our ads travel cities and assume we are there and available that day. Even if my ad is up in an area, it’s usually in advance. I’ve encountered such things before but I think often the #1 problem that even clients need to start realizing: a lot of clients just aren’t very available. And it’s not always fair to expect the escort to “be there and be square” with 15 minutes grace period. Yes…a stellar planning escort can make each appointment on time, but it’s all often last minute and not “routine” commutes. I allow myself both client sex and regular sex. Most “successful regular sex” with non-client men tends to happen in the evening or late night: it’s often the times that single, professional, 20s-40s aged men are out meeting guys on apps or a bar. In contrast: many clients often have “off” hours they want to meet. Some want to meet in the middle of the “work day”. Or mid-morning. Squeezing in time here and there so to speak. I’ve decided I need to start sticking to set booking hours: which for me means incalls with me hosting needs to be after 3, and hosting after noon. It all ties into the check in/check out times of hotels as well. I don’t have the luxury to host from home as much anymore for the time being. So I have to operate on a schedule that doesn’t conflict with my mornings or travel time to the next destination. In my opinion: I believe the hookup app culture and not so distance social media culture, is to blame. It seems like every man out here has multiple options. Clients, fuck buds, hookup app possibilities: all in the same night. I see my friends, I even see clients: just constantly on a mission to cruise on these apps. I’ve been with clients and hear some dreaded super Mario brother’s type of sound coming from their phone…which likely sounds like another message 🤣 People think having endless options is a good thing. But in the Hookup lifestyle, it just leads to a whole lot of unreliability and people playing games. I had to deal with it last night from someone (non client) I thought was going to come over to my hotel: which I was hoping to make use for considering I only booked it for 1 nigh

At the end of the day, I try to encourage gays to explore other cities beyond just the LA, Houston, Miami, New York, Chicago, etc. places. Many of the big cities are just so ran thru. There’s 50 states, 48 contiguous. Although it’s not always the best nightlife/party options: some areas can still offer access to fun and everything else the bigger markets offer, but with less cost and competition. Montana and North/South Dakota maybe someday be the next Texas. They’ve got the size, but they don’t attract much in the way of gay or tourism. The weather obviously is a factor though. That said, I just recently met someone from Austin in a different state, and he was cool. I might have to visit again sometime.

I can see that. I’ve done a similar circuit back when I lived in the area. It’s not always as profitable as it seems unless can book longer sessions or overnights. Lot people/companies moving to Texas but it’s not the best kept secret it once was pre-2010s. It’s become the “new Florida/California” but it’s nothing like the 2. On a street level it might but the topography just doesn’t compare But…

Good idea about Mister Bnb. I have heard of it before but hadn’t yet used it. Sometimes though, I find hotels have their place because I may tend to change locations every day or 2. In Florida, I was “basing” in Orlando, but it was mostly nothing going on there with bookings other than my main regular. But it’s in the center of everything in central Florida so, it served its place. I know you mentioned Florida, Texas and California: which all are states with big metros, but the problem is all those places are highly competitive. Plus the “scams” have run those markets into obsoletion. While I was in Florida, I went out of my way to avoid most of the 4 main metros unless I had an invitation. I even spent last weekend in a fairly off the beaten path retirement community. I just don’t care for working the big cities as much anymore. I’ll go if I have an anchor or friends there, but they just aren’t as profitable because it’s so many guys trying to do the same thing in the big cities.. However I do understand much of the “in” crowd are based in the larger cities so I still leave myself open to visit them. But not all of them are suitable places for me to base. I was considering moving “back” to Dallas area last year, but after a couple trips of having 0 appointments, I decided I didn’t want to keep pushing with trying to squeeze money out of a turnip 🫜 , especially in a state that has penalized the P word I thought about trying out LA or San Diego for a year, but again: those are cities have an endless rotation. May be good to live in, but trying to visit for even a few days may not give enough time for a successful venture. Vegas reminds me of Orlando and the whole Disney theme, for adults. Which isn’t a bad thing but, I find they tend to have similar tendencies. Driving in/out of Vegas can feel like an island of its own though.

And to add another thing I’ve forgot to mention: although this doesn’t happen as often since I tend to book with advance notice only these days: Some guys who reach out to book when coming to their city, will do so but have an unreasonably narrow window of time to meet. Spending time to commute takes up time to get ready. And traffic is a big delay ever since the rebound from Covid. I ended up an hour and half late to an appointment few weeks ago due to traffic backed up for miles on my way. My regular was mad at me, but he is also chronically busy/short on time and only allotted a small window to see me, despite us planning days in advance, and knowing I was traveling from 150 miles away. Which I found kinda inconsiderate. If I’m extending my time to travel out of the way to their city and make it convenient, at least be willing to be patient. He tried to short me $100 because he could only stay for 40 minutes, I was like no sir. I have all evening and the next day to be available. I shouldn’t be penalized because you’re limited on time, especially when I was already 700 miles from my home base. Also some have mentioned traveling with another companion to split expenses. However though it sounds like a idea: I can’t see that happening for me unless I were commuting different vehicles and maybe even booking separate rooms. Which in that case, would completely defeat the purpose. I tried that with a friend a couple months ago: he booked a hotel room and told me he would be hooking up with someone for an hour. It turned into 2-3 hours. I almost thought he got murdered in the room because he wasn’t answering his phone either. The idea of having to leave the room, while my travel companion gets their freak on, is a no for me 👎🏾 I’ve tried it other times, and it rarely works for me unless it’s non escort friends and even then: it usually becomes outcalls only while me and friends share hotel/air bnb. Which might mean 50% less opportunity.

**This isn’t a question or advice. Just discussing the oft sought after strategy of traveling ** I’ve been experience with touring for a while now. Over a decade to be precise. The “escort definition” of touring is: Spending a week or 2 or even WEEKS/MONTHS going between a predetermined hub of cities, staying anywhere from 2-5 days at a time, before going onto the next destination, and covering ground to hit several areas. I know many up and coming escorts out there often highly interested in the traveling lifestyle. And I do feel it’s become ingrained in the American escort culture to advertise in and travel to different cities. Yes it can be lucrative and help to get exposure that may be hard to do staying in the same city. However, there’s a side to it that can become monotonous. For one, the main thing is the costs involved. Having a hotel is almost a must because many clients may not be able to host. Even if they can, I still need a place to sleep. I have used every discount hack available for booking hotels, including 3rd party and loyalty to a few brands. It doesn’t matter because at the end of the day, it’s still money being spent. The only way to really “beat” the hotel game is to have a friend or relative to bunk with and either do outcalls or book a room on select days. However, therein lies another potential issue: Trying to maintain reliable connections out of state where you may not know people or only see them sparingly: has also provided to be a challenge. I have done trips to some cities, even my current trip: thinking that I could rely on a friend or 2 to stay with. Only to get there, and they either aren’t available to host after all or they only want to offer a limited time that’s not sufficient for what is needed. And of course, non of them are ever okay with having clients over. Then I’m back to the hotel money pit, spending more than anticipated. The other thing is, it seems like almost every trip: there’s some news that gets released. And we may think it doesn’t affect, but it does. Even if for a couple or few days. This past couple years, I’ve had to endure everything from stock market crashes to new wars starting. Above all, the client bookings just aren’t coming in like they used to. I don’t necessarily want to see clients everyday, and definitely not multiple times a day: but I can’t go 3-4 days without a client and not start losing money. Except there’s one issue: I can’t stop traveling all together because my “base” market (which really isn’t even that, just a purgatory in between waiting to travel lol) has already become over saturated with advertisers. Plus it’s conservative and the men in the area either don’t want to pay, or they only want to pay $150. Which is not sustainable. What I have considered: relocating all together and keeping trips to within a day away. Or I can continue to tour further away, but only go places where I have friends at. However, even that’s dwindling. It’s been so many times I’ve made arrangements to stay at friend’s place for a couple/few days, and it turns into drama. I’m just tired of having to rely on half ass people, but some cities the hotel prices are so high: there’s no other way to go unless that option is available. I’m considering using rent a room by the week options going forward. But those could have the added drawback of not being able to host I would imagine. And if I’m losing money by not hosting, whatever I saved is essentially lost. So idk, it’s hard to say exactly how I’ll do it. I know there’s a couple clients here on the board who are wanting me to visit their cities, but it’s these type of challenges that have hindered my desire to want to make the journey. Unfortunately when visiting a town for a short period, sometimes the only fast and safe way to meet other gays are the hookup apps: besides going to a nightclub (which is more money and no guarantee of finding someone supportive of the biz). But the hookup apps are always people looking for just that. They aren’t reliable for anything else usually.

California consistently has the highest gas prices. Chicago area is also bad for it. But the prices in California are sickening. Every couple or so years, they break headlines 📰 for hitting the $7-8-9 mark somewhere I remember one trip, I put $50 and only got half a tank. When normally, $50 fills the tank when it’s $3/gallon or less.

I just left Florida this week: I was doing a whole lot of driving, but 100-150 miles to the next city beats the distance between cities in the Midwest. But the prices were $4 when I arrived 3 weeks ago, then they went down when it seemed T gave an “extension”. But then it went right back up again after the latest news 🤦🏽‍♂️ like I literally got 3/4 tank for $3.79 in one town, used it up driving to another city, came back and the next day went to refill it jumped to $4.17 😤 Below is a Circle K station in Orlando. The prices were about the same everywhere. What really gets me isn’t just the high price, but why is midgrade and premium running 50-90 cents more??? There’s not supposed to be much “noticeable” difference but regular is cheaper for a reason. But midgrade is about the most I been doing, buying premium feels like an insult

This is all reminiscent of the most recent case similar to this that happened in Detroit. Also somewhat similar to the “Ketamine Queen” story as well. I think the real moral of the story is, practice safe boundaries. Doesn’t mean be cold and distant towards providers, but make sure it’s transparent. Unfortunately, too many out here in the industry and the “come up” gay scene in general are greedy and unethical. They are relatively easy to pick up on after awhile, if not sooner than later.