Overnight Rate

[DaltonJ]

2 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

I intentionally overprice my overnights at $2k because I really don’t like doing them. It has to be worth my while to put aside the high value I place on quality restful sleep and time to myself at night to regroup emotionally and mentally.

If I were trying to get clients to book me more frequently for overnights, I might price somewhere more in the neighborhood of $1,500 for roughly twelve hours of my time, maybe a little more time including an earlier evening activity like dinner or a date, depending on what the client wants.

The client wanting an overnight often wants to have sex multiple times all night (which is fine), or otherwise wake me up a lot and I basically don’t sleep much if at all, definitely not anything restful. Plus the client snores, and I snore. It’s annoying for everyone involved.

Then morning sex. Again, that’s fine, but it’s a whole production if I need to bottom in the morning. Topping again after having cum multiple times in the past few hours, it’s more difficult to perform at my best. Also, I am not looking or feeling my best until I shower in the morning, so that has to happen as soon as I wake up. I get pretty crabby otherwise. The level of effort to be “on” and perform for overnights is high, so I charge dearly for it.

I would be more open to negotiating a lower rate if the client had a suite with a separate place to sleep. By sleep I mean actual sleep. The playtime can still happen in the client’s bed, and cuddles and all the rest, but the actual sleeping part is way better when I have some acoustical and physical separation. Plus negotiate based on expectations. For example, is this an all night fuck festival, or are we going to sleep by 2am? Things like that.

TBH I don’t see as much value in overnights. I think you get a much better value hiring me for 5 hours before midnight for $1k. But that’s just me.

That makes perfect sense - thank you for sharing. In reaching out to the provider, I was very intentional in what I hoped for our overnight experience. I had a very traumatic experience when I graduated from high school, so my request was centered on a very vanilla BFE: kissing, hugs and cuddles. I brought up my high school experience just to be transparent with him and to provide some color. I specifically mentioned just sleeping in his arms and to feel safe and protected. The price was the same. I would never negotiate or ask the provider to adjust his rates. 

[Simon Suraci]

1 hour ago, GCMan said:

Relative to your true "overnight" rate, what would a provider charge (more or less than a true overnight?) for a "daytime" overnight. Say lunch till ten or eleven at night. Some activities in the day with some fun time thrown in?

Speaking only for myself here. Others charge less or more and that’s fine. I don’t claim to represent an average.

These whole day hires described above are less common but I love these and a handful of clients hire me for a whole day from time to time. I charge $1,500 for about 12 hours during the day, ending by/before midnight. That would be comparable to a 12 hr overnight if I charged closer to market for overnights, but I charge a premium $2k for those.

When the client hires me for a longer stretch, say a few days or a week, I would charge less per day - works out to something between 1285 and 2000 per day depending on how many total days he hires me. More expensive per day to hire 3 days, less expensive per day to hire for 7.

I haven’t done any two week or longer hires yet, but I will revisit pricing to give the client a break on that when the time comes. Maybe that day will never come, and honestly I am quite ok with that.

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

15 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

These whole day hires described above are less common but I love these and a handful of clients hire me for a whole day from time to time. I charge $1,500 for about 12 hours during the day, ending by/before midnight. That would be comparable to a 12 hr overnight if I charged closer to market for overnights, but I charge a premium $2k for those.

Thank you @Simon Suraci for your insight.  As a client, I would have assumed that 12hrs overnight would be priced the same as or lower than 12hrs daytime because the provider doesn't have to be "on" while the client is asleep.  However, your explanation of interrupted sleep and awkward morning preparations makes sense.

Providers, take note of pricing more for the sessions you don't enjoy, and less for the sessions you enjoy but could use more bookings.  Be sure to mention those price differences in your advertisement; otherwise, potential clients might not think to ask about the sessions you prefer.  "Ask about my special rates for 12 hour daytime sessions concluding before midnight" would peak my interest when perusing advertisements (If that type of language is allowed by the host website).

Edited April 20, 2024 by Vegas_Millennial
Grammar

[+ JamesB]

Honestly, I'm not particularly keen on overnight arrangements. I've only engaged in them with two providers with whom I had long-standing relationships. One used to accompany me on travels often, while the other would stay over if he didn't have any more clients for the night. The idea of an overnight with someone I don't know well or have only met a few times doesn't appeal to me. I suppose everyone has their preferences.

[rvwnsd]

On 4/16/2024 at 4:26 PM, nycman said:

...At $500 for an overnight, it’s totally cool if you sleep next to me all night long.
At $2,000? We better be fucking like teenagers for 12 hours straight.

Funny you said that, @nycman. I paid $2K for an overnight w/a guy in SF and we did, indeed, end up fucking like teenagers for 12 hours straight. We had met up previously and our little 60-minute session turned into four and a half hours. (I extended the session to three - the extra 90 minutes was on the house, so to speak).

[JTtorretto]

$2,000 [per 8hr block] 

 

 

[Simon Suraci]

I had an overnight recently for a trusted longtime client. He flew in around 9:30pm and I picked him up at the airport. I arranged for a third to join us for about an hour to start. We got the third off to the client’s satisfaction and he left. Then the client and I f*cked like rabbits into the wee hours, taking a break for some massage time between sessions, and had a long, hot (in every sense) shower together.

We finally went to sleep at 3am and we had to get up at 5am so I could drop him back off at the airport for his early morning flight. It was a cuddly 2-hr nap, really. I woke him up by giving him oral to completion and served him a continental breakfast, including organic duck eggs from my farm. He was happy. The crazy travel schedule was his idea, by the way, to squeeze between his other life and work obligations.

I took the day off to recover. I slept from late morning into the mid afternoon and went to bed at my normal bedtime later that night. I turned down clients. That cost me money, but it was necessary for me to make the overnight happen. I also couldn’t in good conscience offer a massage to a client when I knew I wouldn’t be able to give my best. Therefore the compensation at least partially offsets my opportunity costs for the day after.

I charged my client $1,500 and he tipped $100. 

My calculus is thus: roughly (5+) hours of service/action (outside the 2-hr “nap”) which I would normally charge up to $1k for, depending on how you dice it. Then there’s the extra couple hours of action/service in the morning I again might have charged between $300-$500 for if it wasn’t an overnight. Plus the courtesy of coordinating the other guy joining. Then there’s the missed work the rest of the day, the hassle of interrupting my sleeping patterns and my general dislike/irritation of sleeping with anyone. Plus the stamina I had to bring and maintain for a long period, and deliver the goods over and over. BUT factor in it was slightly less time than a standard (12) hr overnight +/-. AND I really like and trust this client. We have a good history. We have a good time together. I want him to visit again.

Normally I would have charged $2k for a standard overnight for someone I know less or don’t know at all. Some people can be torturous, and not in a fun way. For him, for this set of circumstances, I charged $1,500. That was the sweet spot for both parties to be happy. He plans to visit again for another session like this soon.

A client might clutch his wallet at amounts from $1.5k-2k (or more) for an “overnight” lasting around 8hrs-12hrs ish, but the way I think through all the components, I believe the range I quote is a pretty reasonable ask. You get a lot of value for the cost. Money aside, overnights aren’t everybody’s cup of tea. For those with the ability and desire, however, it’s really worth the price of admission - particularly with a provider you really like, trust, and get along with.

God knows what this costs to hire a woman for something similar. Count your blessings, boys.

[+ DrownedBoy]

1 hour ago, Simon Suraci said:

God knows what this costs to hire a woman for something similar. Count your blessings, boys.

My favorite rant: "I want a $10,000-a-night hooker!!!!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSwyMHvXsuU

[marylander1940]

On 4/18/2024 at 7:18 PM, Vegas_Millennial said:

The most I ever charged for an overnight of sex was $150 ($100, plus $50 for the ride home).  This was pre-pandemic.  I don't advertise to escort, but I'll negotiate a fee when someone approaches me at a bar or pool gathering and I'm not that interested without the money.  Unfortunately, I was too busy studying and working a part-time engineering job during my university years to have time for bars, pools, or other social gatherings; and, I remained a virgin until after graduating from university.

You escort?

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

2 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

You escort?

Your question was answered in the 3rd sentence.

2 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

Vegas_Millennial said:

...I don't advertise to escort, but I'll negotiate a fee when someone approaches me at a bar or pool gathering and I'm not that interested without the money...

 

Edited May 21, 2024 by Vegas_Millennial

[Your Man in Arlington]

6 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

A client might clutch his wallet at amounts from $1.5k-2k (or more) for an “overnight” lasting around 8hrs-12hrs ish, but the way I think through all the components, I believe the range I quote is a pretty reasonable ask.

From what you described, I think this was a *really* good deal for your client.

[marylander1940]

2 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

Your question was answered in the 3rd sentence.

 

That means that you actually escort but don't openly advertise, I got it, no need to explain it. Maybe you should place an ad in RM 

[+ Pensant]

I’ve done overnights in the past, but only with providers with whom I’ve developed a rapport. I’m easy. After dinner, we have a fuck session. Then some wine to chill out. We’re generally in bed by 11 pm. I recall that 3 providers slept with me, although I usually have them sleep in the other bed if in a hotel or in the guest room at my houses. I value my sleep. Then in the morning, before breakfast and coffee, some play time.

The most I spent was $2,000, and it was worth every cent. That one did want sex in the middle of the night.

As others have said, overnights aren’t a very good deal. I’d rather book two or three hours in the evening. At my place on the island, though, it’s tough for Seattle providers to drive 45 minutes and then take a ferry; therefore, that’s where the overnight makes the most sense.

[Muscleking]

I’ve been quoted $2500 for an overnight, I have considered it but haven’t made that leap yet.

[big-n-tall]

On 5/31/2024 at 3:27 AM, Muscleking said:

I’ve been quoted $2500 for an overnight, I have considered it but haven’t made that leap yet.

Is this for the 5/6 hour time period you mention in the other overnight topic you started?

If so, I think it's not worth it. I mean to each their own. If you have the money and think it's worth it, go for it. If it matters, $2500 for 5/6 is above anything I have been asked for for an overnight.

[aiseeya]

I think i might have overspent at >$2k overnight LOL

[aiseeya]

On 5/31/2024 at 2:27 PM, Muscleking said:

I’ve been quoted $2500 for an overnight, I have considered it but haven’t made that leap yet.

Echoing other poster that $2,5k for 5/6ho is $$$$$. Better be an epic sex for that rate.

[spidir]

I scheduled overnights with first time hookups to gain experience when I was new to the hobby. Now I choose overnights to enjoy the extended time in and out of bed with regulars. I found that the rate goes down and the time goes up when we are both having fun. It's a nice option and a bargain when you develop win-win relationships.

[Muscleking]

5 hours ago, big-n-tall said:

Is this for the 5/6 hour time period you mention in the other overnight topic you started?

If so, I think it's not worth it. I mean to each their own. If you have the money and think it's worth it, go for it. If it matters, $2500 for 5/6 is above anything I have been asked for for an overnight.

Haha yes mate it is, I mean for me the money is ok, the guy is a top notch quality guy, very sexy and very nice to be around so I might consider it. 

[Thelatin]

On 4/19/2024 at 4:56 PM, Simon Suraci said:

I would be more open to negotiating a lower rate if the client had a suite with a separate place to sleep.

This arrangement has worked well for me in the past.  We both get sleep, I cum and go.  
 

I had a regular pre Covid that I swear never slept.  One of those people that always have to have noise in the background, all night. 
 

I used to get a room that had an outside patio.  His friends would come over and good lord, they would yap all night long. 
 

I enjoy that sound in the background.  He would come take care of me, go back to yapping. 

Edited June 2, 2024 by Thelatin

[Chancealot]

Need a refresher here 

What is a fair/reasonable overnight rate for a what I consider to be hot guy ?

[MscleLovr]

If you want useful and accurate advice…

perhaps you would state where you’re based (or where you’ll be hiring) and also exactly what you have in mind

Something along these lines…

• I live in Boston but want an overnight date in LA on a weekday (or a weekend).
• And I want a boyfriend experience, so dinner etc before kissing, making out etc.
• Or I’m versatile and want to flip-flop during the night
• Or I’m a top only, I want to top 2x in the night and I like to be woken up by getting oral in the morning

 

 

[Danny Rossini]

I've become a regular client for a relatively new provider in SF. We get along really well. I've booked him for 1-hour and 2-hour appointments, but I'm interested in trying a longer visit, maybe including dinner or a movie in addition to play time, and eventually, if things keep going well, an overnight. I asked him about his rates for longer appointments and overnights. He laughed and said he hasn't figured that out yet. I told him I would ask people here for their input on this. Clearly, a 10-hour overnight is not going to be 10 times the rate of his 1-hour appointments, but does a provider's hourly rate typically start to drop at, say, a 3-hour dinner+play appointment? In other words, at some point, if it's not going to cost me any more for an overnight, I might as well ask for that.

I've read many of the comments on this topic in this forum, going back several years, and I understand that an overnight is a qualitatively different experience, as it involves sleeping, possibly snoring, decisions about morning activities, alone-time, etc., and that's all fine. The provider and I are both happy to start gradually, adding some BFE to our current get-togethers to see how well that works. It would just be nice to know how some providers structure their rates.

[+ ApexNomad]

19 minutes ago, Danny Rossini said:

I asked him about his rates for longer appointments and overnights. He laughed and said he hasn't figured that out yet.

This is already a bad sign.

[Danny Rossini]

13 minutes ago, ApexNomad said:

This is already a bad sign.

A bad sign ... of what? As I said, he's pretty new, his hourly rate is not exorbitant, and if he settles on an overnight rate that is too high for me, I'll simply decline. I've seen the discussions about clients and providers who haggle over an already-established price, and I would never do that. He's just trying to consider what's fair, what the market is like, and how other providers think about this. I'm curious, too.