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Me too! Haven't met any twins that work together, though.

Re-reading the OP's post I noticed this: Given buying a video is a great way to determine whether the guy is legit, receiving a discount for buying vids/subscribing is actually very enticing.

Funny you said that, @nycman. I paid $2K for an overnight w/a guy in SF and we did, indeed, end up fucking like teenagers for 12 hours straight. We had met up previously and our little 60-minute session turned into four and a half hours. (I extended the session to three - the extra 90 minutes was on the house, so to speak).

"No kissing no giving [the client] oral" is usually not a deterrent for me. I have to feel a connection in order to kiss and I prefer to give than to receive. If a guy doesn't want to kiss, so be it. There are other things we can do and there are plenty of guys who want to kiss.

Yes, OP should have informed the provider that his roommate would be present. A simple "Oh, by the way, my roommate might be home. Don't worry, we are OK with each other having guests." is really all one has to say. No need to be explicit and emphatic. That said, the provider could have handled the situation more gracefully. I have two cats and ALWAYS tell providers about them 1) in case they are allergic and 2) in case small furry creatures darting out of the way might freak them out. 2) rarely happens because the minute an interloper comes into my place one goes under the sofa and the other goes into the closet. However, a guy who is becoming a regular did have an encounter with one of the boys that scared the begeebers out of him. He was about to take a shower and I was adjusting the water for him. Unknown to me, one of the cats was in the bathtub and ran out when I opened the curtain. In the cat's haste to leave he wrapped his tail around the guy's leg, which startled the guy. Turns out when the guy was a little kid he was fishing, and a snake wrapped itself around his leg. Ever since, he has been afraid of snakes. His first, admittedly irrational, reaction was to think the cat's tail was a snake. After the shower they made amends, and he ended up grabbing the stick toy and started playing with the cat.

I hired him about seven Patricks, er, years ago from his RM ad. Not a bad session, but not amazing, either. He told me about his limitations a few times and mentioned being vegan several times. IIRC I sucked his dick and ate his ass, which made him shoot a huge load. He was pretty nice with me, but again this was in the 2017 timeframe when he had just moved to San Diego. Although he was fine with me, he did have a superior attitude about himself when talking about other people. It was more amusing than anything. Note that I have opted NOT to hire him on subsequent trips.

When my first contact is via text it reads something like this: "Hi [insert escort name here if they listed it in their ad]. I saw your RM profile and am interested in a potential meeting. LMK when is a good time to text." When he replies that he can text I tell him what I get into and ask his thoughts. If he replies affirmatively, I ask if he would share his rate. And then I book or not book.

I usually give 15 to 30 minutes, depending on how far he is coming from.

Not really. This forum's membership skews toward the US. It is also a very small segment of the population. They have an expired ad under TheJockandBear, which links to their Twitter profile. The Twitter profile has current pics and links to their OF.

Couple of things: Ali_greekbody lists his height as being 5'9", while Muscle_dadd lists his as being 5'6", so not the same stats unless Ali_greekbody recently changed his. Muscle_dadd's headline reads "PNP MUSCLE PAPI." Kissing or no kissing, he's into PNP.

I'm sorry you had a not-so-great experience but do thank you for taking one for the team and reporting back.

That was exactly what I thought when I saw the title of this thread.

I haven't hired him but have purchased a custom video from him. The price was extremely reasonable (approx. half of what many OF guys charge), the vid exceeded my expectations, and he created/sent it very promptly. If I was able to get to LA while he is in town I would absolutely hire him.

Although I'm not a fan of being required to subscribe to a provider's OF, when a provider has one, I usually subscribe first to get an idea of the provider's current look.

Moderator's Reminder: Please do not post information about someone that could reveal their identity. This includes (but is not limited to) workplaces, schools, and social media (unless the social media is available on a provider's profile).

Someone listened to this song and took its message to heart! Getting back to the topic, he's now on my list for when I visit NYC!

Moderator's Note: This topic has run its course and gone too far with moderator's warnings being ignored and personal attacks made.

I was about to add him to my buddylist when I saw his hashtags.

He listed PNP as an interest and specifies the hashtags "party" and "pnp."

Moderator's Warning: Stick to the topic (a provider who requested a deposit when the client was in the lobby) and stop the bickering.

WTF? He wanted a deposit to let you up to his room? That's crazy. And then to pull the abusive shit? You certainly dodged a bullet there.

Long ago he advertised as DesertCowboy and advertised as GoodCompanyAZ from 2021 to at least June 2023. I hired him several years ago and wouldn't repeat.

Hmm - for me, guys always reply with either their 2-hour rate or that they don't offer multi-hour rates at less than their hourly times the number of hours.

My experience is that most guys (not all, but most) will offer a "session rate" as @MikeBiDude called it. Typically, I'll ask "what are your rates for one, two, and three hours?" It gives them the opportunity to offer a "session rate" without me having to ask about a "discount."

Getting the thread back on-topic...No, I do not think you should ask for a discount. If the services are not what you typically get (i.e. a massage on a table) then don't hire the provider.