$300 versus $150/$200…

[Jarrod_Uncut]

So I been working on adjusting my rates a bit for full service escort visits. I feel $300 is where I want to be right now, especially while touring. Most people who see me tend to do that range anyway.

However, I feel in some ways: the “world” (as in the guys in America who are willing to pay), is stuck in $150-200 across as a golden number. I feel like that’s what people want to hear, and it seems to get more regular bookings. But it’s just not sustainable unless I kept my overheads very low. Also there’s not a lot of guarantee that if I offered a session for $150/200, that the person would become  a regular. 
 

One thing I’ve noticed, the M/F market rates are way higher than ours. Many girls are posting $400-$600 an hour with some even at $1,000 an hour. I just don’t understand why ours is slower to rise year by year. People especially on Adam4Adam try to say they only have $100 or $200. Like, where do they get these numbers from? They might be confusing it with someone like a client told me about the other day: he charges $80 for massage, and s**ks him off at the end. Like, that’s not an escort. That’s just someone who likely already earns money elsewhere and this is his “Fun” that’s paid so it’s a no brainier. I met a guy like that before, muscled, attractive, works full time at nail shop but does massage and f**king for $80. 
 

I won’t say I don’t like people like that, but I think clients who are used to that…put us down for charging something more sustainable. I’ve done the $60 and $80 stuff…it doesn’t get me anywhere. It leaves no money to travel, you’re just barely making it. Like I said, unless you have a side source or someone who can really take higher volumes of client (and let’s face it: sometimes you have the look and price point to see the high volume.
 

So: between $300 or $150, what do some feel would give someone the most clients in a month, 6 months?

 

Edited March 31, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[+ DrownedBoy]

I will report the following trend in Chicago. 

Prices stopped going up, and 300 is the highest hourly rate, unless you're a stud from out of town. Some good newbies have arrived in the 150 to 200 hourly market.

The interesting thing is "price shaving." Established escorts with good reviews on RM are going just a bit under 300 (e.g. was quoted 280).

This price shave is minimal,  and to someone like me, makes no difference since I use cash and round up. However, it's a strong indicator of bad economic times ahead if escorts are competing in price, even if it's only a token discount. 

Edited March 30, 2023 by DrownedBoy

[Vulgarii]

2 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Many girls are posting $400-$600 an hour with some even at $1,000 an hour. I just don’t understand why ours is slower to rise year by year. People especially on Adam4Adam try to say they only have $100 or $200. Like, where do they get these numbers from? 

 

I think sex is so casual among gay men and is something you can easily get, moreso when you're younger, so that keeps the rates down that clients are willing to pay. There are so many guys getting into the game especially during hard economic times. It's supply and demand and I suppose there will always be a supply now with where society is going.

The same thing is happening with heteros. Sex workers make more money in conservative areas. With the more liberal views about sex, sex workers make much less. I heard a stripper say it "why pay $300 for an escort, when you can just buy a hussie a few drinks and take her home?"

People will counter that argument by saying escorts are a pro at what they do, they can almost guarantee a great experience, and they are discreet and regularly tested...well they're unicorns.

 

We just have the find the rates that work well for us, and then we have to adapt when it changes.

Escorting is not a career except for some unicorns and legendary pornstar-caliber unicorns, and we have to throw in the towel someday soon.

 

 

[DWnyc]

Trends vary regionally but I’ve found in my geography (east coast from DC up to Boston) prices are definitely coming down.  I haven’t been active recently for a bunch of reasons and several former regulars have reached out offering me lower rates to reengage, on average down to $200/hr from $300 last xmas. One even said $175 since we are “old friends” apparently, and another said $150 if I booked at least 2 hours (previously $300/hr).

And no mention of deposit (sorry had to throw that in 😊)

I assume with increasing layoffs there are also more men entering the business or increasing their hours (vs other jobs they had) so there’s more competition. I definitely see a bunch of new faces in mY immediate geography.

@Jarrod_Uncut it’s fine and sensible to have target pricing based on your costs and breakeven / profit goals, but that can’t dictate what your local geography will tolerate, the market just doesn’t work that way. You certainly shouldn’t invest upfront in anything unless you have good probability of recouping. 

Re female rates. I think it’s easier to find men for free online - and that’s part of what male providers are competing with. The price for male providers can only go up so much before the benefits of a the experience cease to justify the $$$. And as reading through these boards will tell you, clients don’t always have a perfect experience just as in real life, so once you discount for everything (more competition, tighter economy etc) trends in the months to come can only really go in one direction. 

 

[Jaroslav]

With inflation, people are looking to maximize their buck either way – clients don’t have the same spending power and escorts need more spending power. In order to secure any business, I can see some escorts dropping the price. Luxury goods (of which escorts technically are) often see their prices *fall* during times of inflation. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

9 hours ago, Vulgarii said:

I think sex is so casual among gay men and is something you can easily get, moreso when you're younger, so that keeps the rates down that clients are willing to pay. There are so many guys getting into the game especially during hard economic times. It's supply and demand and I suppose there will always be a supply now with where society is going.

The same thing is happening with heteros. Sex workers make more money in conservative areas. With the more liberal views about sex, sex workers make much less. I heard a stripper say it "why pay $300 for an escort, when you can just buy a hussie a few drinks and take her home?"

People will counter that argument by saying escorts are a pro at what they do, they can almost guarantee a great experience, and they are discreet and regularly tested...well they're unicorns.

 

We just have the find the rates that work well for us, and then we have to adapt when it changes.

Escorting is not a career except for some unicorns and legendary pornstar-caliber unicorns, and we have to throw in the towel someday soon.

 

 

By unicorn, what do you mean exactly?

10 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

I will report the following trend in Chicago. 

Prices stopped going up, and 300 is the highest hourly rate, unless you're a stud from out of town. Some good newbies have arrived in the 150 to 200 hourly market.

The interesting thing is "price shaving." Established escorts with good reviews on RM are going just a bit under 300 (e.g. was quoted 280).

This price shave is minimal,  and to someone like me, makes no difference since I use cash and round up. However, it's a strong indicator of bad economic times ahead if escorts are competing in price, even if it's only a token discount. 

I don’t like the Chicago market at all. And that’s also why I’ve left the St. Louis and KC market for awhile, it’s just not been happening much there. In heading back to the region soon, I’m definitely considering what changes I can do.

I also been doing the price shaving here and there, doing 275. But now I’m feeling like, that’s nickle and diming things lol. I used to work in sales and the manager used to say: “if they can afford 850, they can afford 1,000 ” (not that I’m trying to view it that way…plus I dislike “sales jobs” but I feel like a good part of this industry is rooted in being willing to “sell”)

 

8 hours ago, DWnyc said:

Trends vary regionally but I’ve found in my geography (east coast from DC up to Boston) prices are definitely coming down.  I haven’t been active recently for a bunch of reasons and several former regulars have reached out offering me lower rates to reengage, on average down to $200/hr from $300 last xmas. One even said $175 since we are “old friends” apparently, and another said $150 if I booked at least 2 hours (previously $300/hr).

And no mention of deposit (sorry had to throw that in 😊)

I assume with increasing layoffs there are also more men entering the business or increasing their hours (vs other jobs they had) so there’s more competition. I definitely see a bunch of new faces in mY immediate geography.

@Jarrod_Uncut it’s fine and sensible to have target pricing based on your costs and breakeven / profit goals, but that can’t dictate what your local geography will tolerate, the market just doesn’t work that way. You certainly shouldn’t invest upfront in anything unless you have good probability of recouping. 

Re female rates. I think it’s easier to find men for free online - and that’s part of what male providers are competing with. The price for male providers can only go up so much before the benefits of a the experience cease to justify the $$$. And as reading through these boards will tell you, clients don’t always have a perfect experience just as in real life, so once you discount for everything (more competition, tighter economy etc) trends in the months to come can only really go in one direction. 

 

The main issue right now: is hotel prices especially in the cities, are so high. Even in St. Louis: hotels surge on weekends and even Priceline and AAA doesn’t really save. You can find a deal here and there, but it’s usually like: “this is the ONLY hotel I can find under $100”. And has already been mentioned…many clients either can’t or don’t want to host.

I did luck out in San Diego though: all my serious clients were able to host. All the guys (except the 1 cute 21 year old who shot 💦 over his head 😆) who were wanting to come to me, were full of crap. And that’s why too: I have to keep deposits if I’m hosting. Especially with these rates.

Like look below at Phoenix currently. This is what rates at the Marriott chains have been all month. I can’t be at a point where I’m just fucking for a hotel room. That’s demoralizing 🫤 

I’m trying to come up with a way to even things out a bit. I already told myself: I been at 250 as my highest hour session since like…2018/19. $250 isn’t bad for a local in/outcall, but not hosting out of town.
 

I also feel like it’s less people booking nowadays because the apps, fewer websites and more competitors. I feel to make up for the fewer clients, I am compelled to ask more. 
 

Cities like Nashville and Denver that I used to be able to book 5 clients at $150-250, have been dead on recent visits. Even some of the former clients I run into from the 2010s, are full of shit half the time, and just rude! Only way I can see myself doing that amount, is if I just stop touring all together.

 

Edited March 31, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[dbar123]

I have a firm upper spending limit of $500/2 hr. The recent hikes in prices have given me reasonable incentive to find less expensive FWB alternatives. Sorry, but that’s just the reality of it. I used to hire several times a month but now I am hiring about once a quarter

[BuffaloKyle]

6 minutes ago, dbar123 said:

I have a firm upper spending limit of $500/2 hr. The recent hikes in prices have given me reasonable incentive to find less expensive FWB alternatives. Sorry, but that’s just the reality of it. I used to hire several times a month but now I am hiring about once a quarter

Usually though if a guy charges 300 for an hour he'll do 500 for two. At least in my experiences. I'm starting to ask more about a 90 min rate. If a guy wants 300 for an hour I'll ask if he'll do 400 for 90 min.

[+ tassojunior]

fwiw - i'm not a provider but have them stay long-term often. 

i have 2 provider friends very similar in age, looks, what they do etc. one only advertises on RM and he is a porn star. the other only advertises on rentmasseur. the masseur actually sets a table up but he does all sexually just like the other. his base fee is $150 while the others' is $300. of course he gets more clients most of whom want "upgrades". from knowing their work for a month or two at a time, it's a toss-up who makes the most. the "masseur" has more clients, the RM gets bigger tips now. Both get many repeats. .But for pricing if RM doesn't draw, maybe rentmasseur will. it's like becoming a "discount" airline that upcharges for everything.

In DC there's a nice but often cheap small hotel (Embassy Inn) with no desk on 16th around R St that's very nice and surrounded by a lot of clients. Several providers use it. The Windsor Inn a block up is cheaper and nicer but has a desk for some rooms.

 

Edited March 31, 2023 by tassojunior

[Thelatin]

From my experience it sounds like many providers deal with penny pinchers, and get tired of it.  For whatever reason I tend to get away with not discussing rates when I hire.

They show up, there is a generous amount of money on the table.  They tend to stick around for 4-5 hours.  So they end up at a rate of 225-250 an hour.

Never had a complaint.

 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

8 hours ago, dbar123 said:

I have a firm upper spending limit of $500/2 hr. The recent hikes in prices have given me reasonable incentive to find less expensive FWB alternatives. Sorry, but that’s just the reality of it. I used to hire several times a month but now I am hiring about once a quarter

Price hikes in providers or cost of goods?

 

7 hours ago, tassojunior said:

fwiw - i'm not a provider but have them stay long-term often. 

i have 2 provider friends very similar in age, looks, what they do etc. one only advertises on RM and he is a porn star. the other only advertises on rentmasseur. the masseur actually sets a table up but he does all sexually just like the other. his base fee is $150 while the others' is $300. of course he gets more clients most of whom want "upgrades". from knowing their work for a month or two at a time, it's a toss-up who makes the most. the "masseur" has more clients, the RM gets bigger tips now. Both get many repeats. .But for pricing if RM doesn't draw, maybe rentmasseur will. it's like becoming a "discount" airline that upcharges for everything.

In DC there's a nice but often cheap small hotel (Embassy Inn) with no desk on 16th around R St that's very nice and surrounded by a lot of clients. Several providers use it. The Windsor Inn a block up is cheaper and nicer but has a desk for some rooms.

 

Thanks for the suggestion. I will say though, I tend to gravitate to the chain hotels in the area moreso than the neighborhood places. Just so I can flex my loyalty status for later checkouts/free parking, etc. 

I do use both RentM and RentMass. RentMasseur seems to just bring more clients across the board, but RentMen is a better product than RentMasseur because of how they do the messenger/private pics, etc. 

However RentMass also tends to have more annoying and lowball types: either they don’t read, ask me what my rates are (I regular have to circle and send it to them in a screenshot), or they think I’m in a city when I’m just advertising it in my travels. 
 

I personally don’t have the ability to do high volume: especially at home because, in one town I live, I stay with family and do outcalls with incall by appointment only. The other city, I have a roommate and I have to ask/plan before inviting people over. So it’s not feasible having 2-3 guys coming and going throughout the day. But most the people can never get it right. 
 

Simple instructions like, answer 4 things about yourself and send deposit so we can arrange a time: just flies over their head. 

2 hours ago, Thelatin said:

From my experience it sounds like many providers deal with penny pinchers, and get tired of it.  For whatever reason I tend to get away with not discussing rates when I hire.

They show up, there is a generous amount of money on the table.  They tend to stick around for 4-5 hours.  So they end up at a rate of 225-250 an hour.

Never had a complaint.

 

I wish I could say that was the experience from every appointment lol.

I also feel in some ways, people are “taking their anger” out on us, passive aggressively. I was in the store and a couple elderly folks started talking about the price of their ice cream going up, then another lady jumped in and started talking about the price of gas going up in the area this week (granted, this was Walmart BUT the products I needed are only available there lol).

I’m thinking to myself like, shut the front door! People always want to talk about stuff going up. Well buy the cheaper ice cream, or maybe not drive faster than everyone else, and you’ll save some gas. 
 

It’s like one of my regular clients, who I didn’t quite appreciate it: told me, I like you but I just don’t like the price ($250 I was doing in St. Louis). So on 1 of our bookings I offered slightly less.

But next time and for now on anyone who talks smack about my rates: I’m going to ask, “well how much would you charge to sleep with someone you never met, and might not find particularly your type?” 

Edited April 1, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[dbar123]

51 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Price hikes in providers or cost of goods?

My willingness to pay for services just isn’t boundless. I figured that prices would ultimately go higher so I decided to find a cheaper alternative. I’ve just gotten better at meeting guys locally with similar interests who want the same thing and are willing to reciprocate with massage and bfe.

Unless you are a provider with something truly unique to offer then you are just a service commodity and I’m just not interested in paying premium prices for commodities. Over the past 5 years I’ve probably seen over 75 different Rentmen. The vast majority were fun but not compellingly unique enough to pay extra for.

Edited April 1, 2023 by dbar123

[DWnyc]

4 hours ago, Thelatin said:

From my experience it sounds like many providers deal with penny pinchers, and get tired of it.  For whatever reason I tend to get away with not discussing rates when I hire.

They show up, there is a generous amount of money on the table.  They tend to stick around for 4-5 hours.  So they end up at a rate of 225-250 an hour.

Never had a complaint.

 

The penny pinchers as you refer to them finance the providers lives. They get tired of it? Let them Flfind people who can fund their expectations, unrealistic and grossly offensive as they may be.

[+ KensingtonHomo]

1 hour ago, DWnyc said:

The penny pinchers as you refer to them finance the providers lives. They get tired of it? Let them Flfind people who can fund their expectations, unrealistic and grossly offensive as they may be.

I'm pretty confident his post was completely fabricated. 

[Vulgarii]

2 hours ago, DWnyc said:

The penny pinchers as you refer to them finance the providers lives. They get tired of it? Let them Flfind people who can fund their expectations, unrealistic and grossly offensive as they may be.

It's fun encountering protective clients looking for budget prostitution, and it's more fun making fun of them when they try to haggle.

[Jamie21]

3 hours ago, Vulgarii said:

It's fun encountering protective clients looking for budget prostitution, and it's more fun making fun of them when they try to haggle.

I wouldn’t make fun of them, it’s annoying but people are allowed to ask for a discount. I think it saves me time in finding out that they’re not suitable for me. I just say ‘no’ and I make sure they don’t book.

It’s like this; my rate is clear, it’s (say £250)…that’s what I value my time/effort/service as. And because the product is basically me, that’s what I’m valuing me as.

Now….some client comes along, has a look at my product, and decides to offer say £200. He clearly knows my rate is £250 but to get a bit off to make him feel special or clever or that he’s smarter than me he tries for £50 off.

Obviously he can afford £250 or he wouldn’t be shopping here but hey, he’s always looking for a deal so why not see if this guy will do one for him? 

I read his offer and think ‘ah ok so he values me at 20% less than I value me…and he’s looking to have a great experience? I’ll put him in the same category as the ‘hey are you free now?’, ‘hi here’s a pic of my cock / ass’ and ‘do you do half hour sessions?’ punters and simply say ‘no sorry’ and save myself the trouble of seeing this client. 
 

[+ No Drama,just good company]

I just want to start by saying as a older man with no family, I am greatfull for those of your doing this work.  I look for escorts to acompany me to dinner and the thearter, other time for more personal company.

When speaking to a provider for the first time I always inquire what they want for their time, I would never be so disrespectful as try to ask for less.  There have been times a provider replys with what are you offering I allway respond with what I have.

I get theater tickes from the providence performing arts center for the most part and live north of Boston.

I want to thank all providers for their work for those who enjoy the company of a kind person 

[+ Coolwave35]

I don’t think I’ve ever paid less than $300 for an hour unless it was a guy from grindr that asked for $100, which I often will up to $150 if I get off. I’m in nyc though. 

[Thomas_Belgium]

Hi Jarrod,

How many messages, on average, do you think a client sends you before the meeting?

[+ keroscenefire]

Denver is definitely $250-$300. You can still find a few that do $200. I also find that guys will price shave pretty easily. I was quoted $350 recently and just told them that was higher than I willing to go and they immediately went down to $300. I think sometimes they just try to get the higher rate if they can but once they realize they're talking to a client that knows the market, they go down. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

13 hours ago, keroscenefire said:

Denver is definitely $250-$300. You can still find a few that do $200. I also find that guys will price shave pretty easily. I was quoted $350 recently and just told them that was higher than I willing to go and they immediately went down to $300. I think sometimes they just try to get the higher rate if they can but once they realize they're talking to a client that knows the market, they go down. 

Yeah, it’s important every provider be able to show our rates. That’s why I went ahead and got a website because, I like to know how much something is going to cost…Before I even walk thru the door. I went to the LV store in San Francisco last year (was moreso chaperoning a friend versus buying myself lol) and even though there’s not a big NOTHING UNDER $500 SOLD HERE sign, every item has a price, thus avoiding embarrassment when walking up to the register. Why RentMen is still afraid the show the price of the pornstars, idk. 

I just don’t think Denver can “afford” $250-$300. Back when I used to do well there (2010-until rentboy, CL and M4rent fell off) I used to only be able to get $150-200/hr or $300/350 two hours from the locals, the slightest price hike, guys would try to talk me down. Which was annoying because sometimes I would need more than $150-$200 to run my ever increasing incall studio because: clients need us to host.  And even when I wasn’t asking for deposits and could readily host, people were still being flakes or unreliable.
 

But occasionally had visitors who would give me 500-1,000.

On 3/31/2023 at 6:16 PM, dbar123 said:

My willingness to pay for services just isn’t boundless. I figured that prices would ultimately go higher so I decided to find a cheaper alternative. I’ve just gotten better at meeting guys locally with similar interests who want the same thing and are willing to reciprocate with massage and bfe.

Unless you are a provider with something truly unique to offer then you are just a service commodity and I’m just not interested in paying premium prices for commodities. Over the past 5 years I’ve probably seen over 75 different Rentmen. The vast majority were fun but not compellingly unique enough to pay extra for.

Hmm, I find that hard to believe. 75 different RentMen and non you found unique? Maybe it’s not them, but you? And not in a bad way: but maybe you’re subconsciously going after a certain type that doesn’t tweak your desire for uniqueness? I mean hell: I been on tour for over a month now, and have met at least 2-3 clients who I was like: wow…that was different.

It may be a service commodity to those who view it that way, but for others it’s an essential luxury. Like baseball tickets and spa treatments. 
 

If you’re looking at it from a perspective of wanting to find it cheaper, perhaps this is different than what you’re needing. But once someone starts saying they can find guys to hookup with for free and don’t have/want to pay…that becomes less about the escorts, and moreso about someone else’s prerogatives.

Edited April 2, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Jarrod_Uncut]

14 hours ago, Thomas_Belgium said:

Hi Jarrod,

How many messages, on average, do you think a client sends you before the meeting?

Lot of times just depends…I do know I try to get everything understood within 3 messages: Their details/location, link to my sites, deposit. 

Anything beyond that, is asking for freebies or being FOS. 

 

 

[dbar123]

1 hour ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Yeah, it’s important every provider be able to show our rates. That’s why I went ahead and got a website because, I like to know how much something is going to cost…Before I even walk thru the door. I went to the LV store in San Francisco last year (was moreso chaperoning a friend versus buying myself lol) and even though there’s not a big NOTHING UNDER $500 SOLD HERE sign, every item has a price, thus avoiding embarrassment when walking up to the register. Why RentMen is still afraid the show the price of the pornstars, idk. 

I just don’t think Denver can “afford” $250-$300. Back when I used to do well there (2010-until rentboy, CL and M4rent fell off) I used to only be able to get $150-200/hr or $300/350 two hours from the locals, the slightest price hike, guys would try to talk me down. Which was annoying because sometimes I would need more than $150-$200 to run my ever increasing incall studio because: clients need us to host.  And even when I wasn’t asking for deposits and could readily host, people were still being flakes or unreliable.
 

But occasionally had visitors who would give me 500-1,000.

Hmm, I find that hard to believe. 75 different RentMen and non you found unique? Maybe it’s not them, but you? And not in a bad way: but maybe you’re subconsciously going after a certain type that doesn’t tweak your desire for uniqueness? I mean hell: I been on tour for over a month now, and have met at least 2-3 clients who I was like: wow…that was different.

It may be a service commodity to those who view it that way, but for others it’s an essential luxury. Like baseball tickets and spa treatments. 
 

If you’re looking at it from a perspective of wanting to find it cheaper, perhaps this is different than what you’re needing. But once someone starts saying they can find guys to hookup with for free and don’t have/want to pay…that becomes less about the escorts, and moreso about someone else’s prerogatives.

You’re right. It is me. My tastes are evolving and I’m just looking for something less formulaic and more unusual. It’s out there. 

[Thomas_Belgium]

Years ago, I read the book "Hidden persuaders", there they explain it's better to ask for example 290 and not 300, it's an old book but I think the trick would still work today. For your deposits you could try to ask for example 29 instead of 25.

Last but not least, I would consider to get a pay-per-call/text cellphone number, I know I wrote this before but I think now it's the time to get it.

[+ DrownedBoy]

6 hours ago, Thomas_Belgium said:

Years ago, I read the book "Hidden persuaders", there they explain it's better to ask for example 290 and not 300, it's an old book but I think the trick would still work today. For your deposits you could try to ask for example 29 instead of 25.

Last but not least, I would consider to get a pay-per-call/text cellphone number, I know I wrote this before but I think now it's the time to get it.

Yeah. Go for 299.95.