$300 versus $150/$200…

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4 hours ago, SometimesBi said:

Interesting you mentioned this. I enjoy sometimes just browsing the pros on one of the hookup sites (A4A). Even just a year or two ago, there was a page+ of pros in my area (Seattle). But today, barely 2 or 3. 😥 

Yeah, A4A…I just don’t know. I’m trying to hang onto it, but it doesn’t work everywhere. I think I managed to earn 2-3 clients from it when I was in Seattle last year…It still has its place. But also A4A used to be $10 a month, versus $30. 

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On 7/8/2023 at 12:35 PM, acaressandakiss said:

I’ve in NYC for the past week. I reached out to a few providers to see about setting up a session but unfortunately it didn’t work out. Something astonishing that I have never experienced before however has been the providers reaching back out to me after me stopping communication. Once I stop communication in the past I never heard from them again. I suppose times must be tough if providers are following up like that when they haven’t in the past. 

How many providers did you contact, and why it didn't work? 

Timing, distance, price?

If you reached out to them by instant messaging is very easy for them to get back to you a few days later just by scrolling down their previous messages. If you did it by text some texting apps remind you of a former conversation and suggest you  reach out again using artificial intelligence. It works similar to predictive text. For instance I just got a message on my texting app telling me it's time to continue certain conversation I had a week ago and suggesting what to say. Spooky, isn't?

I have a feeling you are trying to create a self-fulfilling profecy of times being tough so clients can get a cheaper rate. Summers are usually tougher in big cities because people with money travel abroad.

Edited August 7, 2023 by marylander1940
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4 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

Summers are usually tougher in big cities because people with money travel abroad.

Ha. And I’m also wondering why there’s so many ads in my area. There’s nothing going on here. Idk if the number of “available now” ads matters too. Fridays used to always be guaranteed bookings. Not so much around here.

Then one of my supposed to be a regular got the other day 🤦🏾‍♂️ 

 

And I wasn’t gaslighting myself when I said what I said what I said in a couple other another threads. These guys can be ruthless. Am I an escort or MMF fighter? Nobody should be being mean or disrespectful on the phone. 

And after that: I decided to just go ahead and put my top shelf price back up to $300. Because it’s like, $25-50 difference is what? In the long run, that’s just going to get me $25-50 less than what I need.

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1 minute ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Ha. And I’m also wondering why there’s so many ads in my area. There’s nothing going on here. Idk if the number of “available now” ads matters too. Fridays used to always be guaranteed bookings. Not so much around here.

Then one of my supposed to be a regular got the other day 🤦🏾‍♂️ 

 

And after that: I decided to just go ahead and put my top shelf price back up to $300. Because it’s like, $25-50 difference is what? In the long run, that’s just going to get me $25-50 less than what I need.

I know a local DC escort who for the first time had a bad trip to Kansas City in over a decade.... He told me several regulars he has in that city where either out of town or unresponsive. 

[+ DrownedBoy]

Maybe this market is a mine canary. Escorts here (Chicago area) are getting less business, despite all the talk about the economy escaping a recession.

I've encountered more escorts who are lowering their prices. My policy is to never pay more than the standard 1/2 hour rates of 300/500. When someone goes over that, I politely decline, but for the past few months, many started to drop their rates to what I was offering right after I initially turned them down.

That's in addition to the new entries into the market. In particular, men doing it as a "side hustle" are massively undercutting local prices. In addition, a lot of the newbies are desperate to build up good reviews, since only paying RM clients can give stars out. That's proven to be a good investment for me.

It would be interesting to try and find a correlation between escort rates and economic downturns. Because I'm afraid that correlation is very high.

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3 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

I know a local DC escort who for the first time had a bad trip to Kansas City in over a decade.... He told me several regulars he has in that city where either out of town or unresponsive. 

Is he Black, White or Latino? Because before I even lived in KC, I used to rarely get any serious bookings then. There was a brief time initially in the 2010-2012 era that I was was busy to my liking here, but after that I usually found myself just getting a hotel for the night, and keeping it moving to my next destination (usually DC or someplace or the east coast). 
 

But otherwise, that would sound about right. I’m down to 1 regular in the area at the moment.  But our last session got cancelled. I’m surprised he has any regulars at all. Maybe if a person is okay to host at the last minute, drop of a dime with no deposit like is common here, perhaps. But I was discussing on another forum: I tried working like that here, and it was chaos. Can’t plan anything, never know if it’s okay to start a project or accept plans, for fear you have to abandon it or turn down an appointment. 
 

Even the hookup apps work the same way: one guy was trying to come over to me ASAP. Then he said he had to cancel, but then he was on his way again. I was playing games with him the whole time too, and was like: darn I left my wallet at home: can you get the hotel instead (I was about 30 miles from home). Of course not. That’s how 99% these KC guys are. They want you to host asap, and then they flake. 🤦🏾‍♂️ 
 

The thing is: we can deserve better if we ask for better. I don’t even like to take stuff on “now” notice even if I need to because: it lets guys know it’s okay to do so again the next time around. Then they get an attitude when you can’t. And if another escort flaked on said client: I can’t see the satisfaction of not being someone’s first choice. Only time I can see it being “okay” to do stuff short notice, is if you see the escort and meet around the same time on a regular basis. Lot of the Kansas City guys would call out the blue, wanting now: but never available when I said: “I’m hosting NOW/TODAY, can you make it?”

So yeah, I am just trying to make an exit unless on the off chance I get an alternative solution. On top of that, some of the escorts here are scamming just as much as the bad clients are. It’s sad. Tragic. I can’t think of a market I’ve had to endure more financial stress except perhaps Nashville, Tampa and Orlando. 

 

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4 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

Maybe this market is a mine canary. Escorts here (Chicago area) are getting less business, despite all the talk about the economy escaping a recession.

It would be interesting to try and find a correlation between escort rates and economic downturns. Because I'm afraid that correlation is very high.

I’m so over talks about how “strong” The economy is. Yeah people are spending again after Covid, but it’s all on themselves and small ticket items. The stuff on the news and the bubbly stuff about local restaurants booming is all smoke and mirrors. For example, there was an article about how one of the coffee shops and some other foodie businesses were doing so great here during Taylor Swift and NFL draft. Why wouldn’t they be? Everybody loves food and coffee. I didn’t make shit either of those weekends, just had 2 clients flake out. 
 

But I had a group of friends come to town for a couple days: and it was like 4 guys to a room, 2 to a bed. Why are the rates of hotels in some cities on a weekend, not affordable enough for 2 guys to share a room or have their own?

They can talk about the economy all day long: But I’ve already seen a lot of specialty shops go out of business. They can interview me, and I’ll tell them the REAL truth lol. 

[ICTJOCK]

I'm with you.  The $300.00 is more what I charge,  up from $225.00 when I first started.    If one offers a professional service and does a quality job,  that figure is a deal.    I agree with much of what was said.   Anything less is not in anyone

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On 3/30/2023 at 5:21 PM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

One thing I’ve noticed, the M/F market rates are way higher than ours. Many girls are posting $400-$600 an hour with some even at $1,000 an hour. I just don’t understand why ours is slower to rise year by year.

Since I'm Bi and have paid both men and women for sex I can speak to a few differences between the markets.

1) It is easier to find gay men to have casual sex with than it is to find straight women to have casual sex with. I can log into grindr and have guys offering me BJs (not that I want them, another story). When I lived in NYC I could casually browse Grindr/Sniffies and have a guy over to my apartment with his pants off with a ten sentence conversation. If I log into a hetero dating app, I have to put in way more effort to convince a woman to even meet me in public for a date.

2) Women escorts have better marketing and customer service. They offer way more than the average guy escort before booking. The women who charge $1K/hour have social media accounts, booking agents, professional photosets done multiple times a year, websites and professional grade ad copy. In their ads they tell you clearly how much they charge, when they are available, if they are available for incalls/oucalls, deposits/screening procedures. They communicate clearly and quickly while making a booking and get the hard business stuff over with quickly. They make the transaction part of it simple and seamless so you can move on to other and better things. They close the deal. Too many male escorts make booking a PITA. Most male escorts don't offer nearly as much in terms of information and instructions.

3) You probably have a bunch of DL/Closeted clients who project their internalized homophobia and shit onto you, which cheapens what you provide in their mind. Also, the unfortunate reality is that men in general are bad at dealing with their emotions and trauma. Gay men may experience more trauma than the average dude due to homophobia, and that sometimes causes them to act shitty.

4) Gay hookup culture in general is kind of problematic. Guys behave badly and standards are lower relative to hetero hookup culture. I'm sure this carries through with clients.

Just my thoughts as someone who has navigated both hetero and homo dating and hiring. Men and women have differences and they show themselves. Women are usually better in service industry work and hospitality industries. Sex work is a service industry and there is more demand for their services. I absolutely love having sex with men and enjoying their company. But when it comes to paying for sex, women are better at it.

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11 hours ago, BiDude420 said:

2) Women escorts have better marketing and customer service. They offer way more than the average guy escort before booking. The women who charge $1K/hour have social media accounts, booking agents, professional photosets done multiple times a year, websites and professional grade ad copy. In their ads they tell you clearly how much they charge, when they are available, if they are available for incalls/oucalls, deposits/screening procedures. They communicate clearly and quickly while making a booking and get the hard business stuff over with quickly. They make the transaction part of it simple and seamless so you can move on to other and better things. They close the deal. Too many male escorts make booking a PITA. Most male escorts don't offer nearly as much in terms of information and instructions.

4) Gay hookup culture in general is kind of problematic. Guys behave badly and standards are lower relative to hetero hookup culture. I'm sure this carries through with clients.

This.

I would 💯 Mark this as the solution to this thread BUT: I don’t think women should get more credit. I think all these things are valid and should be taken into consideration. Partly why I am advocating for a revolution in the industry. Not that we have to go marching down the street, but: simple things to improve the market. Something as simple as: no selfie pics in the bathroom on profiles. It may look hot, but that’s Grindr content. Not content to sell something for. In fact, on my profiles: I have many “selfies” that don’t look like selfies, because I want to portray a professional photography look.

At the same time, how can we do that if guys aren’t taking it seriously? When it comes to #2, I’m doing all of that how I can. That’s why I couldn’t rely on RentM for full info because: they could edit out certain things and/or: people skip over it and don’t read. 
 

When it comes to #4, hard to tell who’s to contribute. I’m sure it’s been that way long before I was around. In fact, I think just the simple fact of being able to hookup as gays so freely, is probably considered a payment for some. Compared to eras before of stigma, being arrested in a park, gay bashed etc. 

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9 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Something as simple as: no selfie pics in the bathroom on profiles. It may look hot, but that’s Grindr content.

Unrelated but I can't tell you how many times I get a dick pick with a toilet in the background. It is a huge turn off. Bonus points if there is piss or shit in the toilet. 

[jeezifonly]

More heterosexual men in the population = denser market of potential clients for female providers. Competition, marketing, and service all follow.
 

Whereas men can be hirable as a strictly non-receptive partners, women cannot (exempting Peggers) and they are bearing more risk and charging more as a result. 

No matter the combo of parts, one party renting consensual access to a specific part(s) of another party will never disappear. Session cost/benefit ratio for the Provider changes over time, as it does for Clients. Rates = whatever the market will bear. 

Meaning that AI will make its first important financial footprint thru the $$consumption of of much better interactive porn. Straight first, with all other genders and sexes and desires and scenes to follow. 
The Hard wants what the Hard wants.

The Venmo wants to pay as little as possible. 

 

 

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On 8/10/2023 at 8:20 PM, jeezifonly said:

Meaning that AI will make its first important financial footprint thru the $$consumption of of much better interactive porn. Straight first, with all other genders and sexes and desires and scenes to follow. 
The Hard wants what the Hard wants.

The Venmo wants to pay as little as possible. 

To quote Scott Adams,  the holodeck will be mankind's last invention. 

I believe it. If VR became that advanced,  I'd rather go with the obedient, fully personalized computer program.