$300 versus $150/$200…

[XIX]

5 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

My rate reduces slightly for a longer session. The two hour rate is slightly less than double the 1 hour rate. Why? I prefer to do a longer session than an hour, the preparation time etc is same for an hour as it is for two. It’s more efficient for me to see one two hour client than to see two one hour clients. So I price it accordingly to encourage them to trade up to 90m or 2 hours. 

Do first time clients often opt for a shorter session or does it vary? 

[Jamie21]

11 minutes ago, XIX said:

Do first time clients often opt for a shorter session or does it vary? 

Yes, usually I recommend a 1 hour session first time. Best to do that first time just in case you don’t like me (I hope that’s not the case!). 
 

[Simon Suraci]

14 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

My rate reduces slightly for a longer session.

Actually I price that way too for massage. It’s not a dramatic decrease but a nice discount. I agree, it’s just as much upfront work to prep for a 1-hr session as it is for a 2-hr session. My fee structure encourages clients to take advantage of a longer session at a better value. Likewise, it’s relatively more expensive on a rate per hour basis to hire for a short massage but less total overall session cost for my most price sensitive clients. All of my rates are quite reasonable in my local market, especially when you consider my massage quality and professionalism is very high compared to the majority of others in my area.

These can change over time, so don’t quote me two years later, but here is what I charge now for massage only. Example fee structure:

120 min / $240 ($120/hr)

90 min / $195 ($130/hr)

60 min / $140 ($140/hr)

30 min / $75 ($150/hr)

Some therapists charge rates within reasonable range for 60 and 90 min but then charge significantly more for a 2-hr session and I can’t work out why. Unless the long session is code for ‘more than massage’. Or they don’t enjoy giving long massages or perhaps don’t know how. Not sure, this price spike at the two hour mark always puzzles me when I see it.

[Medin]

On 5/3/2023 at 11:11 PM, pubic_assistance said:

The $300-an-hour figure is really more of a $300 a day reality.

Most escorts aren't fucking more than 5 or 6 clients a week

So based on a normal person's 40 hour schedule you're making the equivalent of $45/hour. But with fewer hours worked .

??? Escorts only see one client per day, or 5-6/week as you mentioned?  Maybe those working in their home market but that is definitely not the case when traveling.  I know of no escort that flies from NYC to Chicago for example only to see one client per day.  

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 5/6/2023 at 7:48 AM, XIX said:

Do first time clients often opt for a shorter session or does it vary? 

It varies. I’ve had many first timer overnights and long evenings. I find many gay guys (and not using that in a stereotypical or generalizing manner) tend to enjoy overnight and morning company. But certain clients also welcome a longer session. It just depends on the vibe and personality of the person. Some of my best encounters start as an evening or overnight.

Edited May 9, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 5/6/2023 at 5:50 PM, Simon Suraci said:

Actually I price that way too for massage. It’s not a dramatic decrease but a nice discount. I agree, it’s just as much upfront work to prep for a 1-hr session as it is for a 2-hr session. My fee structure encourages clients to take advantage of a longer session at a better value. Likewise, it’s relatively more expensive on a rate per hour basis to hire for a short massage but less total overall session cost for my most price sensitive clients. All of my rates are quite reasonable in my local market, especially when you consider my massage quality and professionalism is very high compared to the majority of others in my area.

These can change over time, so don’t quote me two years later, but here is what I charge now for massage only. Example fee structure:

120 min / $240 ($120/hr)

90 min / $195 ($130/hr)

60 min / $140 ($140/hr)

30 min / $75 ($150/hr)

Some therapists charge rates within reasonable range for 60 and 90 min but then charge significantly more for a 2-hr session and I can’t work out why. Unless the long session is code for ‘more than massage’. Or they don’t enjoy giving long massages or perhaps don’t know how. Not sure, this price spike at the two hour mark always puzzles me when I see it.

One thing that’s hard currently: is pricing expectations to the rentmen, RentMasseur and adam4adam market.

I find A4A clients can either be generous or WAAAY out of tune to prices. As in, they think $200 is enough for a massage, bareback *** and…get this: 2 HOURS. And then gaslight me if I ask for anything different. Like in the past week: one client was able to do $300 and another only $150. Yet the 150 guy wanted more than the 300 one. However I was able to come up with a compromise for both, which worked out. I also have to adjust my rates on A4A just a tad, because I been finding people don’t respond more than $200.
 

I almost feel A4A is the “Groupon” of services in a way. Not verbatim but just many guys not attune to pricing. However, I won’t call them cheap or the site not worth it, because in some cities A4A outperforms RentMen and RentMasseur. It also seems the site was dying but, it seems to have made a rebound now that everyone has gotten used to their new platform. Initially I didn’t like it either, but now I really like it because it’s easy and efficient. But, people tend to get frustrated of website changes.

Thats where I feel RentMen is now. I’m barely getting any clients from there lately. People couldn’t figure out the new version, and now it’s slowed down a lot. I tried the new version and it isn’t bad, it’s just not as laid out as the regular one. Then again, RentMen has always had a quirky layout that differed from others. But, they’re doing their best and are top right now; however I feel it’s experiencing it’s own “recession” because now I’m just getting spam and scam texts round the clock, and not many clients are contacting me from there lately in my home market (it’s only good when I use it for traveling).

I put on my auto reply that I’m no longer responding to RM messenger inquiries or RM emails because I got sick and tired of people bullshitting me and playing games on email and messenger. 

Edited May 9, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[sjmuktop]

Here in the UK, escorts typically charge between £150 - £200; with £200 being most common. 

This has been the case for quite some time now, and despite a cost of living crisis that continues to worsen and a rate of inflation that has been forcing even relatively well-off people to feel unsettled, this price range has continued to hold.

You'll encounter the odd one here and there who charges more than £200, but that is rare; between £150  - £200 is the norm.

The last few guys I have hired over the past few months have all told me that business in the UK (specifically in the capital city London) is a bit quiet. They aren't getting as many new clients now as they do in more typical (better) economic times, but their regular clients are continuing to see them.

So, I suppose the rate is being held despite the problems of lower demand and higher inflation in order to retain their regulars, many of whom doubtless like their overnight sessions ('overnight' typically being anywhere between 8 and 12 hours max, usually costing between £1,000 - £1,300). 

Edited May 9, 2023 by sjmuktop

[pubic_assistance]

12 hours ago, Medin said:

that is definitely not the case when traveling. 

Agreed.

I was estimating the average annual business model.

Certainly a hot young man who's just in town for the week has his hole stretched to it's limits over the course of the week.

(This is why I would never hire such a person) Because he won't share an ejaculation since he's got to perform for another gentleman or two after I've had my way with him. Not to mention those who are already so burnt out they can't even get it up.

I am not turned on if my sexual partner isn't turned on. ( Or at least good at pretending ).

Edited May 9, 2023 by pubic_assistance
grammar

[sjmuktop]

15 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

Certainly a hot young man who's in town for the week has his hole stretched to it's limits over the course of the week.

This made me chuckle 😂

So true though.

[SometimesBi]

1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said:

Because he won't share an ejaculation since he's got to perform for another gentleman or two after I've had my way with him. Not to mention those who are already so burnt out they can't even get it up.

Just read this entire topic, and this comment is what I was thinking about for the 300 vs 150 topic.

I'm a client. I'm also just a bottom. I've hired a few escorts over the years. I've also had a few random hookups.

What gives me pause at paying 300 (or even 200 for that matter) is that with a random hookup with a top, he's going to cum. Hopefully in my ass, but one way or another, he's getting off. As a bottom, that's what I like. Being part of that moment, sharing that orgasm time with him. No, not me simultaneously, just being able to watch and share him in his moment of climax. I may or may not cum after him.

When I've hired an escort, I rarely get that experience. Too many are stuck in the mode of just getting the client off. But I would easily trade my climax for his. Instead, I get faked Os. And I can tell ... either with no dick pulses/spasms inside me, or he pulls out with the condom as empty as it was going in. 😥

I'm reminded of the saying "why buy the cow when the milk is free". Because a random hookup is more satisfying than a professional? And that feels backwards. 

If I could be guaranteed to get an orgasm out of the provider, I'd happily pay up to 300. But of course we can't talk about that ahead of time, because the money is only for his time, etc. And he probably does have to save himself for the next client. 

So if I'm not going to get that experience, I just as well hire for just a massage, at half the cost. Meaning, I'm paying 150, not 300, for time with a hot guy.

Please note: I realize I'm probably in the minority here. Most clients are probably happy to just get off. Certainly client tops are. 

But maybe providers that advertise as tops, who get a client that is a bottom, might think about who would be expected to cum?? Maybe providers should have different rates if they are taking the role of top, or of bottom?

 

[+ DrownedBoy]

9 hours ago, sjmuktop said:

Here in the UK, escorts typically charge between £150 - £200; with £200 being most common. 

This has been the case for quite some time now, and despite a cost of living crisis that continues to worsen and a rate of inflation that has been forcing even relatively well-off people to feel unsettled, this price range has continued to hold.

That's how supply and demand works. "Cost of living increase" applies to both provider and client. And most companies don't automatically give wage increases to clients.

[DWnyc]

On 5/9/2023 at 10:49 AM, SometimesBi said:

 

When I've hired an escort, I rarely get that experience. Too many are stuck in the mode of just getting the client off. But I would easily trade my climax for his.

 

It may be that you need to explain this to your provider before the session begins. They are probably going on what they assume most clients want. And it adds pressure to them.

Im the opposite with a provider a don’t need or even want them to climax - and a performance synchronized with when time runs out is fine with me if convincing,  but unnecessary - though that’s just me. 

Every so often I’ll actually find myself with providers who want to climax which I’ve never understood since I assumed they’d want to save that for a potential client who might care. And because I always assume this is not actually a genuine experience.

I even had providers expressing frustration as they couldn’t get off by the time our session ended as if they were a real hookup or bf. I clearly remember one who insisted on prolonging for 10 mins or so to allow him to climax … (no extra charge for me) and another who kept saying he needed to climax and just needed a few more minutes, but that it would cost me… in 15 min increments. With the latter I made my excuses and got up to get ready … and he acted like a resentful real life partner - I was so selfish getting him close and now leaving, teasing him not letting him have his own pleasure etc - I said to him “I can’t pay you more” (and that’s a point on principle rather than about being cheap, given how the extra cost was introduced) and he just sat there glaring at me stroking his equipment as I made my way out. Yes, I realize he sounds odd and unprofessional but it made the experience feel real which is the ultimate thrill I guess.

[marylander1940]

5 hours ago, DWnyc said:

It may be that you need to explain this to your provider before the session begins. They are probably going on what they assume most clients want. And it adds pressure to them.

Im the opposite with a provider a don’t need or even want them to climax - and a performance synchronized with when time runs out is fine with me if convincing,  but unnecessary - though that’s just me. 

Every so often I’ll actually find myself with providers who want to climax which I’ve never understood since I assumed they’d want to save that for a potential client who might care. And because I always assume this is not actually a genuine experience.

I even had providers expressing frustration as they couldn’t get off by the time our session ended as if they were a real hookup or bf. I clearly remember one who insisted on prolonging for 10 mins or so to allow him to climax … (no extra charge for me) and another who kept saying he needed to climax and just needed a few more minutes, but that it would cost me… in 15 min increments. With the latter I made my excuses and got up to get ready … and he acted like a resentful real life partner - I was so selfish getting him close and now leaving, teasing him not letting him have his own pleasure etc - I said to him “I can’t pay you more” (and that’s a point on principle rather than about being cheap, given how the extra cost was introduced) and he just sat there glaring at me stroking his equipment as I made my way out. Yes, I realize he sounds odd and unprofessional but it made the experience feel real which is the ultimate thrill I guess.

You must be good, have you thought about escorting? 

 

[DWnyc]

1 minute ago, marylander1940 said:

You must be good, have you thought about escorting? 

 

Haha maybe the providers were just extra brilliant, making the experience seem real and memorable.

I always chuckle when some on here post about how they are so hot etc that providers really enjoy being with them more than other clients, give them discounts or makes it easier for them to get appointments etc. I don’t think they realize they are likely with really good providers who make them and all their clients feel validated and desired, as they should, from such an encounter. 

 

[marylander1940]

34 minutes ago, DWnyc said:

Haha maybe the providers were just extra brilliant, making the experience seem real and memorable.

I always chuckle when some on here post about how they are so hot etc that providers really enjoy being with them more than other clients, give them discounts or makes it easier for them to get appointments etc. I don’t think they realize they are likely with really good providers who make them and all their clients feel validated and desired, as they should, from such an encounter. 

 

For a discount? 

Chuckle? Why do you think they're bragging or exaggerating things or simply being dishonest about their experiences? Possibly others will chuckle with your latest post and might think you're bragging or getting them jealous, but I take it as a valid comment on your own experiences with escorts who must cum while seeing you.

Please name the names of those cummers so others can hire them and see if they're as lucky as you are with them. 

 

 

 

Edited May 15, 2023 by marylander1940

[marylander1940]

On 5/6/2023 at 4:53 AM, IamAdamRose said:

I dont offer massages but 150/200 is only getting you non penetration service…. 300 will get you full service, if someone wants to book me in drag its $400…. You get what you pay for at the end of the day

I don't know if the "a la carte" model would work for all clients and escorts. Some would simply tell you a rate per hour no matter what happens.

[marylander1940]

On 5/3/2023 at 11:11 PM, pubic_assistance said:

The $300-an-hour figure is really more of a $300 a day reality.

Most escorts aren't fucking more than 5 or 6 clients a week

So based on a normal person's 40 hour schedule you're making the equivalent of $45/hour. But with fewer hours worked .

On a trip they might have 3 a day. 

A Mexican escort who unfortunately can't come to the USA anymore even posted on there that on average he had 5 clients per day on a trip. I'm sure he was bragging... but 3 a day on a trip make sense, obviously not every day. 

I like the way you do numbers! Certainly 300 a day is 9,000 a month, a pretty decent salary while giving time to enjoy life. 

[DWnyc]

2 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

For a discount? 

Chuckle? Why do you think they're bragging or exaggerating things or simply being dishonest about their experiences? Possibly others will chuckle with your latest post and might think you're bragging or getting them jealous, but I take it as a valid comment on your own experiences with escorts who must cum while seeing you.

Please name the names of those cummers so others can hire them and see if they're as lucky as you are with them. 

 

 

 

To be clear, I’m actually saying I suspect those providers were “performing” - I don’t think it was genuine or take all that as a compliment at all (mainly because it’s not of interest to me), and if anything the situation becomes more stressful for me. So not bragging at all. 

Likewise I’m not saying the others are being dishonest or exaggerating anything in describing events  -  just that they may be misinterpreting the motivation of the behavior they describe, which they ascribe to their good looks etc when it may really be a provider just doing their job of making a client feel the best they can about themselves. 

I actually asked one provider about this specific issue of climaxing - as he asked me if I wanted him to or not. When I asked him why would a provider choose to do so if the client wasn’t requesting it, he said it may be to release tension / stress from the session, and to help them “come down” more quickly after the session ends. He pointed out that if providers have a problem being able to perform they are loaded with injections and pills so “saving” it for the next client wasn’t necessarily a reason to hold back. 

 

 

 

[marylander1940]

1 hour ago, DWnyc said:

To be clear, I’m actually saying I suspect those providers were “performing” - I don’t think it was genuine or take all that as a compliment at all (mainly because it’s not of interest to me), and if anything the situation becomes more stressful for me. So not bragging at all. 

Likewise I’m not saying the others are being dishonest or exaggerating anything in describing events  -  just that they may be misinterpreting the motivation of the behavior they describe, which they ascribe to their good looks etc when it may really be a provider just doing their job of making a client feel the best they can about themselves. 

I actually asked one provider about this specific issue of climaxing - as he asked me if I wanted him to or not. When I asked him why would a provider choose to do so if the client wasn’t requesting it, he said it may be to release tension / stress from the session, and to help them “come down” more quickly after the session ends. He pointed out that if providers have a problem being able to perform they are loaded with injections and pills so “saving” it for the next client wasn’t necessarily a reason to hold back. 

 

 

 

Performing sometimes means faking the orgasm, considering how you describe your experiences that's not the case. 

I don't think escorts on a daily basis take Trimix, may I remind you what happened to Ryan Rose.

Viagra delays the orgasm and that's certainly a pill most escorts take considering an overwhelming majority of their clients are folks they don't find attractive. 

Edited May 16, 2023 by marylander1940

[IamAdamRose]

23 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

I don't know if the "a la carte" model would work for all clients and escorts. Some would simply tell you a rate per hour no matter what happens.

Simple…. Ill refuse the job if they dont wanna pay what i’m asking, gotta meer halfway

Edited May 16, 2023 by IamAdamRose

[KennF]

On 5/15/2023 at 8:14 PM, marylander1940 said:

I don't think escorts on a daily basis take Trimix, may I remind you what happened to Ryan Rose.

*shudder*

[KennF]

Reality is a free-market system exists, whether the business is legal or not.  BTW - Even if sex work isn't legal in the US, the IRS still considers it income and wants it tax revenue.  That's always a fun debate.

Not all of the market is looking for a low price point, and not all are looking for best value, or best quality.

The trick is to figure out your target client from the market and for the clients to figure out what differentiates one provider from the next.  That will dictate the competitors and generally the market prices.

Right now, I am at a different price point than I was before.  But I am also in the market for quality.  So, it is a value based decision.  Some providers are not willing to adjust, so the value shifts one way.  Others underprice what I would pay and the value shifts another.

What irritates me is when the provider lumps everyone into one group and expects that the clients will all react the same way.  For example, those that talk about how many times they've been bothered by emails or requests.  Sorry, that's not my fault.  I am reaching out because your marketing is working.  Please don't take it out on me that it is hitting others from which you don't want to hear.

[acaressandakiss]

I’ve in NYC for the past week. I reached out to a few providers to see about setting up a session but unfortunately it didn’t work out. Something astonishing that I have never experienced before however has been the providers reaching back out to me after me stopping communication. Once I stop communication in the past I never heard from them again. I suppose times must be tough if providers are following up like that when they haven’t in the past. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 5/9/2023 at 9:49 AM, SometimesBi said:

Just read this entire topic, and this comment is what I was thinking about for the 300 vs 150 topic.

I'm a client. I'm also just a bottom. I've hired a few escorts over the years. I've also had a few random hookups.

What gives me pause at paying 300 (or even 200 for that matter) is that with a random hookup with a top, he's going to cum. Hopefully in my ass, but one way or another, he's getting off. As a bottom, that's what I like. Being part of that moment, sharing that orgasm time with him. No, not me simultaneously, just being able to watch and share him in his moment of climax. I may or may not cum after him.

When I've hired an escort, I rarely get that experience. Too many are stuck in the mode of just getting the client off. But I would easily trade my climax for his. Instead, I get faked Os. And I can tell ... either with no dick pulses/spasms inside me, or he pulls out with the condom as empty as it was going in. 😥

I'm reminded of the saying "why buy the cow when the milk is free". Because a random hookup is more satisfying than a professional? And that feels backwards. 

If I could be guaranteed to get an orgasm out of the provider, I'd happily pay up to 300. But of course we can't talk about that ahead of time, because the money is only for his time, etc. And he probably does have to save himself for the next client. 

So if I'm not going to get that experience, I just as well hire for just a massage, at half the cost. Meaning, I'm paying 150, not 300, for time with a hot guy.

Please note: I realize I'm probably in the minority here. Most clients are probably happy to just get off. Certainly client tops are. 

But maybe providers that advertise as tops, who get a client that is a bottom, might think about who would be expected to cum?? Maybe providers should have different rates if they are taking the role of top, or of bottom?

 

As someone mentioned, it’s good to mention this. Even if it’s just paid for time, you could mention in your “private life” you enjoy etc etc in your etc etc. 

Requests for “massage” are at an all time high. I think 90% of my bookings ask for that, but I been doing this long enough to know it’s best to have more than 1 rate for the sessions I do. 
 

I’ve even written to RM themselves and mentioned we need more options for rates. But of course they are limited in what they can safely offer. This is why I’ve come out with my own website. And it’s meant to be somewhat obscure.

1 hour ago, acaressandakiss said:

I’ve in NYC for the past week. I reached out to a few providers to see about setting up a session but unfortunately it didn’t work out. Something astonishing that I have never experienced before however has been the providers reaching back out to me after me stopping communication. Once I stop communication in the past I never heard from them again. I suppose times must be tough if providers are following up like that when they haven’t in the past. 

Can’t speak on their behalf but yes: I’m finding especially in the big cities, business has been periodically quite dry. I even noticed in my current area of Kansas City, many guys don’t have Gold Ads since I’ve come back from off tour.
 

I think it’s just too many guys advertising these days, and not enough reliable sites. You can’t have dozens of guys in a city where many of the gay culture is on hookup apps and the price of apartments are more than a home mortgage. It’s like sitting around waiting for someone to book, and to book at the rate you want, in the limited span of time they have to meet. It’s a lot.

I’m grateful I can still get by doing this exclusively because I enjoy the bookings and the freedom, but…I can only do it because I’m switching cities every couple weeks. I’m basically like a trucker/flight attendant on the go. However, it’s come at the cost of giving up a full time incall location, something that…I’m now wanting to return back to. But have to know it’s going to be a reliable market.

[SometimesBi]

On 7/8/2023 at 12:48 PM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Can’t speak on their behalf but yes: I’m finding especially in the big cities, business has been periodically quite dry. I even noticed in my current area of Kansas City, many guys don’t have Gold Ads since I’ve come back from off tour.

Interesting you mentioned this. I enjoy sometimes just browsing the pros on one of the hookup sites (A4A). Even just a year or two ago, there was a page+ of pros in my area (Seattle). But today, barely 2 or 3. 😥