$300 versus $150/$200…

[marylander1940]

30 minutes ago, Medin said:

No.  The escorts are glad that clients think they will get a lower level of service if they are paying $300 vs $400.   I haven't found that to be the case.  In regards to your next question; yes I have in fact.  I have a MBA from Michigan and have run a very successful business for 35 years.  $300+/hour (tax free!) is nothing to sneeze at regardless of your market.  Driving for Uber won't get you anywhere close to that.  At that rate, I expect some level of professionalism.  Unfortunately that is often lacking.  

is asking for a discount while approaching someone a good form of "professionalism"?

[DWnyc]

38 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

I have a feeling some folks will PM you asking you to name names...

 

Once I factor in my commission there won’t be much of a discount left 😊

 

[Medin]

43 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

is asking for a discount while approaching someone a good form of "professionalism"?

Yes.  I'm the client in this case.  My own clients negotiate my rates all day long.  When was the last time you purchased a car or home and just accepted whatever price the seller offered?  

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

34 minutes ago, Medin said:

Yes.  I'm the client in this case.  My own clients negotiate my rates all day long.  When was the last time you purchased a car or home and just accepted whatever price the seller offered?  

My car, 2009.

My home, 2008.

In both cases I paid exactly the price the seller offered.

[DWnyc]

1 hour ago, Vegas777 said:

My car, 2009.

My home, 2008.

In both cases I paid exactly the price the seller offered.

If only if it were that easy to “prove” a point.

Since we’re playing the anecdotes game … 

1) bought an apt when the economy tanked around 2008 … got a 25% discount on asking price. I wouldn’t have bought it at asking price. 

2) sold another property when the market was booming around 2013 and it got into a bidding war and I ended up getting about 20% more than asking 

Till date no charges have been pressed against me for extortion. 

3) my friend in a city which has had a particularly bad property market running counter to all national trends has her house on the market for a year and came close to accepting 10% less than asking but is holding out  … and in the process has spent likely more than that 10% on tax and interest and maintenance that she wouldnt be able to claim back in her annual return but she still thinks that’s a rational position. She had to move (her reason for selling) and so is paying for two properties despite only using one. She may get a shock if she runs a spreadsheet showing the cumulative effect of the scenario she is living especially if she factors in inflation and opportunity of lost interest in the cash she would have received.  

The examples are carefully chosen and true.

What’s your point? 

 

 

Edited May 3, 2023 by DWnyc

[Jamie21]

I think people are muddling up price and value. If my perception of value of something is higher than the sellers then I’m likely to pay the asking price. If it’s less than the sellers then I’ll ask for a discount. Everyone has a different perception of value. 

2 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

$300+/hour (tax free!)

I pay tax on my income! His Majesty’s Revenue & Customs is very happy to call sex work real work. 
 

[Medin]

13 minutes ago, Jamie21 said:

I think people are muddling up price and value. If my perception of value of something is higher than the sellers then I’m likely to pay the asking price. If it’s less than the sellers then I’ll ask for a discount. Everyone has a different perception of value. 

I pay tax on my income! His Majesty’s Revenue & Customs is very happy to call sex work real work. 
 

If only we had that in the US!  Make it legal and that would solve a lot of the issues we have in the US. 

[DWnyc]

15 minutes ago, Jamie21 said:

I think people are muddling up price and value. If my perception of value of something is higher than the sellers then I’m likely to pay the asking price. If it’s less than the sellers then I’ll ask for a discount. Everyone has a different perception of value. 

Exactly, 100% agree.

Hence my examples of property market transactions. 

It only becomes a moral issue if one side is totally wrong on value (client overvalues and provider undercalues)  and the other side knows this but takes advantage when finalizing (and even then some would argue it’s still not a moral issue voluntary).

neither side should get special treatment (providers get a premium, clients get a discount) just  because of the nature of the business. 

 

[marylander1940]

2 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

I think people are muddling up price and value. If my perception of value of something is higher than the sellers then I’m likely to pay the asking price. If it’s less than the sellers then I’ll ask for a discount. Everyone has a different perception of value. 

I pay tax on my income! His Majesty’s Revenue & Customs is very happy to call sex work real work. 
 

I think you were trying to quote @Medin

5 hours ago, Medin said:

No.  The escorts are glad that clients think they will get a lower level of service if they are paying $300 vs $400.   I haven't found that to be the case.  In regards to your next question; yes I have in fact.  I have a MBA from Michigan and have run a very successful business for 35 years.  $300+/hour (tax free!) is nothing to sneeze at regardless of your market.  Driving for Uber won't get you anywhere close to that.  At that rate, I expect some level of professionalism.  Unfortunately that is often lacking.  

 

[pubic_assistance]

6 hours ago, Medin said:

300+/hour (tax free!) is nothing to sneeze at regardless of your market.

The $300-an-hour figure is really more of a $300 a day reality.

Most escorts aren't fucking more than 5 or 6 clients a week

So based on a normal person's 40 hour schedule you're making the equivalent of $45/hour. But with fewer hours worked .

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

14 hours ago, DWnyc said:

What’s your point? 

My point is I don't haggle.

If I don't like the listed price, I just move on.

[MuscleDaddyRWC]

15 hours ago, Medin said:

If only we had that in the US!  Make it legal and that would solve a lot of the issues we have in the US. 

Absolutely!

Paying for sex with cash is prostitution.

Paying for sex with food and wine is called a date. 

[DWnyc]

8 hours ago, Vegas777 said:

My point is I don't haggle.

If I don't like the listed price, I just move on.

I don’t haggle either. Where did I say I did?

But im also not going to ignore market adjustments. Nor am I going to treat providers as a charitable donation.  It would be the same if a providers rates went up along with the market and I denied that reality and insisted on paying historical rates (which I would have no ability to enforce anyway).

The umbrage doesn’t quite work in the rules of our market economy and is largely one sided. 

[DWnyc]

18 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

The $300-an-hour figure is really more of a $300 a day reality.

Most escorts aren't fucking more than 5 or 6 clients a week

So based on a normal person's 40 hour schedule you're making the equivalent of $45/hour. But with fewer hours worked .

It’s why it’s not surprising that some, if they have a status update on latest potential schedules, offer discounts for multi hour sessions or volunteer price reductions on days they think they are slow — as long as they don’t damage brand or set revised expectations with the client getting the discount or anyone they speak with 

[+ DrownedBoy]

22 hours ago, DWnyc said:

It only becomes a moral issue if one side is totally wrong on value (client overvalues and provider undercalues)  and the other side knows this but takes advantage when finalizing (and even then some would argue it’s still not a moral issue voluntary).

I think it only becomes a moral issue if the provider is in a position where he really can't refuse, and the client knows it. Like they need the money for food or don't have anywhere to stay. My opinion (not shared by everyone I know).

[pubic_assistance]

4 hours ago, DWnyc said:

 it’s not surprising that some, if they have a status update on latest potential schedules, offer discounts for multi hour sessions

Seems to me that with escorts it would make more sense to charge more for a single hour and less for multiple hours.

You're already at the location and your client has probably already shot his load...so why not hang out and make $100/ hr instead of going back home and making nothing .

[DWnyc]

1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said:

Seems to me that with escorts it would make more sense to charge more for a single hour and less for multiple hours.

You're already at the location and your client has probably already shot his load...so why not hang out and make $100/ hr instead of going back home and making nothing .

Exactly. But you can extend that to: for the first or only hour, if I can’t lock in this potential client who seems interested … and my rate seems too high for him … and my alternative for that time, realisticall, is zero … and my break-even calculation is way lower then what I’m asking anyway even with a discount  … I can come down a little … 

[Jamie21]

3 hours ago, DWnyc said:

Exactly. But you can extend that to: for the first or only hour, if I can’t lock in this potential client who seems interested … and my rate seems too high for him … and my alternative for that time, realisticall, is zero … and my break-even calculation is way lower then what I’m asking anyway even with a discount  … I can come down a little … 

That’s a slippery slope. Once you come down because it’s that or nothing it normalises it, for you and the client. Next time he books the client expects same rate. So I never discount. 

[pubic_assistance]

8 hours ago, DWnyc said:

you can extend that to: for the first or only hour, if I can’t lock in this potential client who seems interested … and my rate seems too high for him … and my alternative for that time, realisticall, is zero … and my break-even calculation is way lower then what I’m asking anyway even with a discount  … I can come down a little

No. Sorry. I don't agree

I would never ask someone to lower their first hour rate.

But I do know when I travel I would pay for company of the additional hour rate was reduced after the initial hour.

I have done this several times on trips where I book a massage and invite the young man to dinner. If he accepts I will pick up the check and also offer him an extra $100 for his time keeping me company. It gets quite boring sometimes when traveling alone for work.

[DWnyc]

10 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

No. Sorry. I don't agree

I would never ask someone to lower their first hour rate.

But I do know when I travel I would pay for company of the additional hour rate was reduced after the initial hour.

I have done this several times on trips where I book a massage and invite the young man to dinner. If he accepts I will pick up the check and also offer him an extra $100 for his time keeping me company. It gets quite boring sometimes when traveling alone for work.

I’m not the one making the decision, calculation or offer here. 

[DWnyc]

14 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

That’s a slippery slope. Once you come down because it’s that or nothing it normalises it, for you and the client. Next time he books the client expects same rate. So I never discount. 

Sure - I’m explaining a dynamic, not advocating for it, and I never ever have asked anyone to bring their price down in this business. 

having said that I can’t see myself ever saying “no no, it’s true the previous price you quoted me didn’t work, but now that you’ve offered me a lower price, I’ve changed my mind and do actually want to hire you, but can’t pay you less than you were originally seeking, god forbid, the world would end if that happens,  so I’m retracting and now agreeing to hire you at your original pre discounted rate”.

 

 

[Simon Suraci]

10 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

I would never ask someone to lower their first hour rate.

But I do know when I travel I would pay for company of the additional hour rate was reduced after the initial hour.

For providers, it makes sense to me to hire additional time for company or to go out to eat, go to an event before/after, go shopping, hang around your hotel room, (some would say truly an ‘escort’ service). The first hour is a high cost, often in the range of double what you might pay for an hour of massage without any full service activities.

By adding time at a lower rate, both parties benefit more than they would with the first hour by itself and then parting ways. Ask the provider if he has a fee structure for this type of arrangement. Some do. He may have a price for an “evening” up to x number of hours. If he doesn’t have a fee structure for this, and he’s open to providing the service at some price, propose something and negotiate.

For massage, it’s different. You’re paying for a service, and if you want more time of that same service, you pay for it the at the same rate as the first hour of that same service. Even if it’s time spent afterwards not getting a massage just enjoying his company, his time is just as valuable. That’s time he’s NOT working on someone else for that same massage rate.

Pricing will vary from provider to provider. He may charge $250 on the lower end. He might charge $400+ on the higher end. My rule of thumb is it’s reasonable for the client to pay the massage rate (if the provider offers massage service for a lower rate), or approximately 50% of the “full service” rate. Example: one hour of full service: ($300) + 1 hour of escort time ($150) = $450.

Please note the above example is not the same as two hours of full service time. Using the same example, but tweaking it for two hours of full service activities, some providers would do $500 total (instead of $300/hr x 2 = $600). It all varies on the provider. Doesn’t hurt to ask. With the right mutually agreeable fee structure, I feel more time is a win-win.

[DWnyc]

6 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

It all varies on the provider. Doesn’t hurt to ask. With the right mutually agreeable fee structure, I feel more time is a win-win.

… and also varies on the client of course.

Ageee 💯

I have nothing but respect for providers who pour their everything into their business as entrepreneurs, especially if they also have the EQ to understand the particular needs of their clients not just physically. 

I struggle when the discussions become about virtue and respect which becomes highly subjective - and rarely are those principles applied to the other side by those debating. Or when business principles are applied only selectively to issues of pricing, customer service etc while expecting business outcomes of profit (provider) or value  (client). 

 

[Jamie21]

7 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

For massage, it’s different. You’re paying for a service, and if you want more time of that same service, you pay for it the at the same rate as the first hour of that same service.

My rate reduces slightly for a longer session. The two hour rate is slightly less than double the 1 hour rate. Why? I prefer to do a longer session than an hour, the preparation time etc is same for an hour as it is for two. It’s more efficient for me to see one two hour client than to see two one hour clients. So I price it accordingly to encourage them to trade up to 90m or 2 hours. 

[IamAdamRose]

I dont offer massages but 150/200 is only getting you non penetration service…. 300 will get you full service, if someone wants to book me in drag its $400…. You get what you pay for at the end of the day