Is anyone else noticing a drop in escort pricing?

[+ SidewaysDM]

Frankly, $350-$400 a hour for most markets is too expensive! On top of that high fee, most providers expect to be reimbursed an Uber, for in calls, and a generous tip or gift! Frankly, No escort is worth that much money!! Many may disagree with me on this! That’s my humble opinion! 

[+ SidewaysDM]

I meant for outcalls, escorts expect Uber reimbursement! Sorry! 

[Whoisyourdaddy]

It helps if the provider hosts. Their hosting saves the client around $200, which sometimes justifies the high rate. It also resolves the rideshare issue.

[Pd1_jap]

1 hour ago, Braziliancutee said:

Exactly!! But I think 500 for just 1h very overprice already. 
If u are good looking, clean, has a good place to host and provide a real good service 350-400 is ok.

Many escorts in LA charge 1000 an hour. Of course, they are all built muscle jocks that also do porn.

[Braziliancutee]

1 hour ago, SidewaysDM said:

Frankly, $350-$400 a hour for most markets is too expensive! On top of that high fee, most providers expect to be reimbursed an Uber, for in calls, and a generous tip or gift! Frankly, No escort is worth that much money!! Many may disagree with me on this! That’s my humble opinion! 

Maybe in Mexico or Brasil u can find cheaper guys.

You are in US u don’t realize how much money we spent on that trips.

We can start for the rm I spent almost 500 in a month, plus nice hotels with good location, Ubers, flight tickets, food.

and if the guys are good looking if bc they take care of their self . U know how much i spent with laser hair removal? So u are very wrong. 

Edited 23 hours ago by Braziliancutee

[Pd1_jap]

5 minutes ago, Braziliancutee said:

Maybe in Mexico or Brasil u can find cheaper guys.

You are in US u don’t realize how much money we spent on that trips.

 

Yes, I need to go to Brazil.

[+ DrownedBoy]

I don't know about prices yet, but the supply is definitely increasing on the provider side from new guys, which you have to be cautious with.

Given how crappy the economy and job market is for young people, I can understand the influx.

Plus, a lot of guys are travelling, and I started receiving dry RMs from traveling providers (I politely declined so didn't get their rates).

One problem I see is that guys from LA or NYC go travelling around and think they'll get the same or more money in other places, failing to realize they're already in the highest priced market, and are overpriced to most other cities. I'm not paying NY prices in Chicago.

[Braziliancutee]

2 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

I don't know about prices yet, but the supply is definitely increasing on the provider side from new guys, which you have to be cautious with.

Given how crappy the economy and job market is for young people, I can understand the influx.

Plus, a lot of guys are travelling, and I started receiving dry RMs from traveling providers (I politely declined so didn't get their rates).

One problem I see is that guys from LA or NYC go travelling around and think they'll get the same or more money in other places, failing to realize they're already in the highest priced market, and are overpriced to most other cities. I'm not paying NY prices in Chicago.

I am travelling all over US. And NY is not like that to be honest. I spent more money in small cities then nyc 

nyc we have the subway u don’t need uber, a lot places close to buy food for a good price.

all the other places we need uber for everything.

Edited 23 hours ago by Braziliancutee

[jeezifonly]

Demand comes first in pricing.

I think the lower rates align with entry-level. Newbies with few reviews and minimal available vid content must ask less $$ because their market wants proof before hiring at peak rate. Once several clients book a second/third appt and word gets out, beginners rates will climb. 

Hiring is something that takes a hit in a downturn economy. Fixed incomers will be hit by higher expenses, and the luxuries of self-care get put aside for a windfall. 

[+ KensingtonHomo]

20 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

I'm not paying NY prices in Chicago.

Same. I have a trip coming up to Orlando and I’m not finding anyone that appealing. 

[+ SidewaysDM]

You made some good points Cuteebrazilian on your high costs in the US. I now realize your out of pocket expenses are more than I had anticipated. You certainly have every right to charge the market rate, in every city you travel to. I do respect all escorts, that give an excellent experience to their providers. But, as a client, I am finding the higher rates being charged, are causing me to cut back dramatically on regularly hiring. If other clients like myself are decreasing their hiring, and being hit by increasing personal expenses, in addition to the increasing number of available escorts, who are sub par……that is concerning for clients and providers. 

 

 

 

[Austin Lewis]

50 minutes ago, Pd1_jap said:

Yes, I need to go to Brazil.

I've met so many lovely Brazilian men that I've actually started to learn Portuguese.

[Braziliancutee]

37 minutes ago, Austin Lewis said:

I've met so many lovely Brazilian men that I've actually started to learn Portuguese.

Hahah we are the best!! I believe guys from Brazil make more success then Americans on rm

[GTMike]

Even in LA I'm seeing a trend toward yes. What was once a typically high range of $400 - $550 , is now being more replaced by $250 - $400 ranges. But of course just sporadic anecdotal sample sizes.

[Simon Suraci]

6 hours ago, SidewaysDM said:

Frankly, $350-$400 a hour for most markets is too expensive! On top of that high fee, most providers expect to be reimbursed an Uber, for in calls, and a generous tip or gift! Frankly, No escort is worth that much money!! Many may disagree with me on this! That’s my humble opinion! 

LA market starts at 350/hr. It’s one of a handful of places that is more expensive than most metros hovering around 300 average for any guy, regardless of looks, experience, or performance/reputation.

Not sure about Ubers or other expenses, but purely for the provider’s hourly service charge, LA has been at 350 for at least a few years. I would not expect this particular market to fall downward, as it is a large metro with many a monied man willing to spend as much, if not more.

Maybe some of the guys who were over pricing in recent years will either lower their fees or exit the industry. Those of us charging a reasonable rate aren’t changing. Some I know are considering raising their prices. Hate to break it to you gents, but prices are not exactly plummeting.

[JB_Studio38]

5 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

I'm not paying NY prices in Chicago.

As someone who lives in the Midwest: I feel Chicago is expensive; compared to Omaha, Tulsa, Wisconsin. When I drive thru Illinois: the tolls, traffic, needing to be closer to the city etc. all adds up. 

Even St. Louis, which for awhile seemed like a “cheaper” city, they’ve been modeling Chicago in prices for like going out to eat, housing and hotel stays etc in certain areas and the hotels in town run more than towns like Dallas/Houston. 
 

I think overall: shit has become more expensive when it comes down to rent, going out etc. A single or coupled gay man probably isn’t as affected as a big family is: but in some areas, they’re still being cheap about spending, disparage guys who charge or ask for “gas money”.

I’m grateful for the many clients who do see me: but across the board it’s been REAL slow in certain areas. RentMasseur isn’t as busy, RentMen has tons of views but few actual bookings. The small towns hardly have any providers, yet the bigger cities are jam packed with guys. There’s a big discrepancy and it’s translating to: it’s not hitting as much in the smaller towns. But the bigger cities have become so full with guys it’s hard to get noticed. I sometimes scroll thru, and the page reloads 4-5 times with more and more guys. If I were a client, I wouldn’t know who to pick lol.

MEANWHILE: sites like the one below (I am NOT condoning anyone here use it for M4M services but it’s just for reference) have only a few select men in each city, and their rates are way more than what is usually offered on the RM sites.

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Edited 18 hours ago by JB_Studio38

[HockeyMan]

New providers don't know market rates and often charge less than they're worth. The average price going down may reflect an influx of newcomers. The experienced and in demand escorts don't change their prices.

[JB_Studio38]

10 hours ago, Pd1_jap said:

Many escorts in LA charge 1000 an hour. Of course, they are all built muscle jocks that also do porn.

This is another case of: fact check it versus throwing out anecdotes.

Los Angeles is a expansive market, and the amount of sex workers make it to where I can be hard to reach that $1,000 an hour bracket, unless a person is fairly established and has a client that is able to arrange that. 

[Pd1_jap]

2 hours ago, JB_Studio38 said:

This is another case of: fact check it versus throwing out anecdotes.

Los Angeles is a expansive market, and the amount of sex workers make it to where I can be hard to reach that $1,000 an hour bracket, unless a person is fairly established and has a client that is able to arrange that. 

Bro, did I ever say my word is law? That being said, MaxME I know for a fact charges 1k an hour for the full experience. He's not the only one. 

How about doing your own research before throwing shade. There are several posts on this forum of clients being quoted 1k an hour. 

[SecretProvider]

6 hours ago, HockeyMan said:

New providers don't know market rates and often charge less than they're worth.

This is true for me - I charged less, and under market rates when I started.

It wasn't until I did a booking with another provider who was more experienced and objectively much better looking than I, and as we left we walked and talked for a bit. When he learned I had been paid 150 less than him he took the money out of his wallet and gave me some of his money to make it so we both earned the same amount for the job and said "don't charge less than market rate. you ARE good looking enough. I have seen you work, you are worth it."

I explained I thought I would also get less clients, and he said "Yes, you may lose some clients, but the ones who scrimp and bargain are always the worst clients anyway. And the amount extra you get by charging the market rate will make up for it."  

I took his advice and I have found it to be sound. 

Edited 11 hours ago by SecretProvider

[BigK]

1 hour ago, SecretProvider said:

This is true for me - I charged less, and under market rates when I started.

It wasn't until I did a booking with another provider who was more experienced and objectively much better looking than I, and as we left we walked and talked for a bit. When he learned I had been paid 150 less than him he took the money out of his wallet and gave me some of his money to make it so we both earned the same amount for the job and said "don't charge less than market rate. you ARE good looking enough. I have seen you work, you are worth it."

I explained I thought I would also get less clients, and he said "Yes, you may lose some clients, but the ones who scrimp and bargain are always the worst clients anyway. And the amount extra you get by charging the market rate will make up for it."  

I took his advice and I have found it to be sound. 

Thank you for your posts here that are very well thought out and expressed.  I agree with what you said in the quoted post and I think you followed a logical and reasonable path.
 

It’s too bad you want to stay secret and not post a link to your ad.  I’m already turned on by your mind.  You say you don’t consider yourself super good looking, but I find the guys who are sexy, but not necessarily model types tend to be better at connecting with their clients. Not to throw any shade on model types!

[SecretProvider]

59 minutes ago, BigK said:

You say you don’t consider yourself super good looking,

I NEVER SAID THAT!  I said the other guy was simply better looking! 😜 I eat well, work out and get hit on regularly when I am out.

Thanks for the kind words. However compliments will not encourage me to reveal myself (today). I like being able to finally comment here and speak openly and honestly and give a perspective that providers who do contribute are not able to. The input has not always been well received. 

1 hour ago, BigK said:

I find the guys who are sexy, but not necessarily model types tend to be better at connecting with their clients.

I completely agree and in my personal life I tend to go for non model types also. 

[+ DrownedBoy]

9 hours ago, JB_Studio38 said:

As someone who lives in the Midwest: I feel Chicago is expensive; compared to Omaha, Tulsa, Wisconsin. When I drive thru Illinois: the tolls, traffic, needing to be closer to the city etc. all adds up. 

Compared to small Midwest towns with a population of 20,000, yes, Chicago is more expensive 😂

That being said, this thread is going off the rails again. Just because you "need" more money to live while escorting doesn't equal higher rates. Just because you "can't afford" higher rates doesn't mean they fall. Supply and demand is all that matters, and it doesn't care if you need to pay more in rent.

I think the biggest market shift I've seen is the lack of major pricing shifts since around 2019, with slight falls and rises during and after the pandemic. 300 to 350 (and 500 for two hours, my standard) hasn't changed much despite massive inflation.

[Medin]

18 hours ago, Braziliancutee said:

When the escort charge less he prob does a few guys in the same day. And of course prob will not do the best performance with you. So you guys should think that before to hire cheap guys

I can speak for my self I always try to do the best for my clients and I stay so tired after. And recently I am having a lot clients around (30-35 years) and they have a lot energy.

I've been doing this a long time and have never found that to be true.  Some of my best experiences were the cheapest and vice-versa.  Local guys tend to be cheaper for example because they don't have the hotel and travel costs.   

[Medin]

15 hours ago, Braziliancutee said:

Maybe in Mexico or Brasil u can find cheaper guys.

You are in US u don’t realize how much money we spent on that trips.

We can start for the rm I spent almost 500 in a month, plus nice hotels with good location, Ubers, flight tickets, food.

and if the guys are good looking if bc they take care of their self . U know how much i spent with laser hair removal? So u are very wrong. 

You're wrong.   So called "cheaper guys" are definitely available in the US or I can go to Canada and pay half of what I pay in the US and have dozens of hot guys to pick from.  $300-$400/hour is more than most US doctors or lawyers make and they have to pay taxes and insurance on top of that.  They also had to pay for eight+ years of schooling, etc yet still earn much less than an escort on an hourly basis.  The average Cuban makes $.10/hour back home.   The average Brazilian or Colombian makes $4/hour.   They move here and want to charge $400/hour and still complain its not enough?  Unreal.