Why so many providers from Brazil, Venezuela, and Colombia?

[Boaxxx]

I've always seen a number of providers from Brazil but then lately there seems to be so many from Venezuela and Colombia which makes me wonder why? Don't get me wrong I'm not complaining as I think they are gorgeous but I've just noticed lately that so many are from those particular countries. Are most of them actually trained massage therapist or do you  think they're just offering a sensual/erotic experience?

Edited February 5 by Boaxxx

[topunderachiever]

This is where the money is, it's easier than ever to get here, they're a very sensual, less inhibited Latin demographic, and the demand is high for their type of look: 

Muscled, smooth(ish), sexy and hung. 

I hope they come in droves and drive down overpriced mediocrity.  I'm not sure they're skilled masseurs, but they know how to enjoy sex.  😊

Edited February 4 by topunderachiever

[jmichaeliii]

22 minutes ago, topunderachiever said:

This is where the money is, it's easier than ever to get here, they're a very sensual, less inhibited Latin demographic, and the demand is high for their type of look: 

Muscled, smooth(ish), sexy and hung. 

I hope they come in droves and drive down overpriced mediocrity.  I'm not sure they're skilled masseurs, but they know how to enjoy sex.  😊

I couldn't agree more.  Sexy, hot and know how to make you feel good! From my experience, also very friendly.

[+ keroscenefire]

I just did a whole thread on this here. But basically it's because the recent surge of migrants into the US has mostly been Venezulans (about 40% from one estimate) with Colombians, Haitians, and Central Americans being another significant percentage. About 7 million Venezuelans have emigrated from their country over the last few years with many of them first going to Colombia (where they often meet up and travel with Colombians to the US). 

 Because Biden granted Temporary Protected Status to about 400,000 Venezuelans who arrived here before July 31, 2023, many of these migrants can live and even work in the US legally. But many have to wait months for the bureacratic process of getting a work permit and/or they arrived after July 31st and are not able to work legally. Sex work has long been one of the few options available when there are few legal ways to work so that's why we're seeing so many Venezuelans in sex work now.

I've also noticed that there's long been quite a few Colombians and Venezuelans on OnlyFans and Chaturbate and places like that. I think they are pretty active online and so it was easy for them to figure out Rent.Men compared to maybe other migrant populations.

[ShortCutie7]

I also suspect that some men are lying about being from these countries… I was recently researching a masseur (who claims to be Latino), and found that many clients said that he was hot but didn’t really look like his pics.  I then looked up his phone number and was brought to the Instagram of a(n albeit sexy and somewhat similar-looking) man of middle eastern descent.

[+ José Soplanucas]

9 minutes ago, keroscenefire said:

surge of migrants into the US has mostly been Venezulans (about 40% from one estimate) with Colombians, Haitians, and Central Americans being another significant percentage

Be glad Argentina is far away.

[soloyo215]

5 hours ago, Boaxxx said:

I've always seen a number of providers from Brazil but then lately there seems to be so many from Venezuela and Colombia which makes me wonder why? Don't get me wrong I'm not complaining as I think they are gorgeous but I've just noticed lately that so many are from those particular countries. Are most of them actually train massage therapist or to think they're just offering a sensual/erotic experience?

Brazil is a huge country with a rather large population of 214.3 million, 105.7 million of which are male. There are areas of extreme poverty in that country, about 28% of the population lives in extreme poverty, and many of the providers also support their families with what they make. That is particularly true with transgender providers. sometimes they are the primary source of income in the family (even though there are instances where the family doesn't allow them in the house).

Venezuela is going through terrible times. 94% of Venezuelans lived in poverty, and by 2021 almost twenty percent of Venezuelans (5.4 million) had left their country, not necessarily legally. Half of their population is male in that country.

In Colombia, with a male population of 25 million, crime rates remain very high. Illegal armed groups and other criminal groups are heavily involved in the drugs trade and serious crime including kidnapping. Additionally, there's extreme corruption in their government, so many people who live in poverty have little to no opportunities available for progressing, unless they get involved in the established system that is entangled with the drug trade. If you have seen shows like Narcos in Netflix, you see all those nameless extras that get killed in drug trade-related shootings? Those are the ones who live in poverty and have little opportunities to do something else.

Poverty, crime, social and political instability are factors that make many people who would otherwise choose a different profession, to become this type of provider.

I remember seeing a documentary in the early 2000s about male prostitution in Brazil. They showed areas where there are many street providers looking for ways to survive. Just survival. We, in USA and other rich countries tend to forget what life is like when there aren't opportunities available and you have loved ones to support, or when the situation is so dangerous that you have tio manage to survive by any means possible. Sometimes I ask myself similar questions, then I remember that I live in a country where people can start a march over something that they just don't like hearing about.

BTW, it's not just the USA, I also saw providers from Colombia, Brazil and Venezuela in Spain and in Mexico.

Edited February 5 by soloyo215

[Monarchy79]

Easy answer:

Fantastic bodies

Awesome exotic looks

Big “parts” 

add an insatiable libido to the mix and they have found their niche. 
 

But many of them have found the easier benefit of becoming “masseurs” (with no training or skills) . It’s easier to make 200-300 bucks by slathering oil or lotion on some horny guy, without having to actually have sex with him. 
 

 

[Monarchy79]

20 hours ago, Boaxxx said:

I've always seen a number of providers from Brazil but then lately there seems to be so many from Venezuela and Colombia which makes me wonder why? Don't get me wrong I'm not complaining as I think they are gorgeous but I've just noticed lately that so many are from those particular countries. Are most of them actually train massage therapist or to think they're just offering a sensual/erotic experience?

Most of them are not trained. As
masseurs, they are selling you sex appeal, and the thought that the massage may go further, but skills are rare. 
 

Edited February 5 by Monarchy79

[Boaxxx]

Thanks for all the answers. Do you think that most of them are actually gay or just gay for pay to earn a living?

[+ keroscenefire]

I have met with two Venezuelans. One was gay and had a boyfriend. The other said he was "bi."

3 hours ago, arnemgreeves said:

It's possible some might not be gay. It's hard to tell. 

 

[Medin]

19 hours ago, topunderachiever said:

This is where the money is, it's easier than ever to get here, they're a very sensual, less inhibited Latin demographic, and the demand is high for their type of look: 

Muscled, smooth(ish), sexy and hung. 

I hope they come in droves and drive down overpriced mediocrity.  I'm not sure they're skilled masseurs, but they know how to enjoy sex.  😊

Unfortunately most of these guys work for an "agency" and their rates are usually on the higher end.   Sometimes it seems like nearly all of the profiles on RM are from Latin America, yet the prices haven't come down.   As long as guys are willing to pay $200 for a "masseur" with no zero skills or an escort who tries to get you out the door as soon as possible, a lot of guys will enter the industry.   In my opinion, a lot of them have killer bodies and looks you dream about, but once you get them in bed, the experience is mediocre at best.    

[soloyo215]

17 hours ago, Boaxxx said:

Thanks for all the answers. Do you think that most of them are actually gay or just gay for pay to earn a living?

Hard to tell. I think that the answer is no different from the same question asked to any providers from any other nations. I know some who are gay for pay, and the entire range of sexual orientations.

The question is, will that make a difference to you? Or do you think that they might deliver their service differently if they are not attracted to men? I inquire because I have seen many discussions around the sexual orientation of providers, and they seem to be two types (in my appreciation only, this is not some research study, just my observation, take it for what it is): (1) quality of the service provided based on the level of interest/investment and (2) some gay guys find it more exciting knowing (or thinking) that they are being treated by a straight guy (stemming from the premise that straight means better and more desirable).

Just curious to know how do you think their sexual orientation will impact you as a client.

Edited February 5 by soloyo215

[Jarrod_Uncut]

5 hours ago, Medin said:

Sometimes it seems like nearly all of the profiles on RM are from Latin America, 

Sometimes I wonder the same myself. Idk how often people here go out but: there’s just not as many guys out here, especially American: escorting as much as you’d think. It looks very filled on the websites, but just an average night going out to bars or gay pool parties: it’s become so uncommon to run into another escort, that I rarely bring it up much in public. At least not in the region I’m in. You see them, but you almost have to look for them. Whereas lately the closest many guys get to sex work, is Instagram modeling and onlyfans. And some of them don’t even work with other guys, it’s just them doing solo things. 

Edited February 5 by Jarrod_Uncut

[jmichaeliii]

1 minute ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Sometimes I wonder the same myself. Idk how often people here go out but: there’s just not as many guys out here, especially American: escorting as much as you’d think. It looks very filled on the websites, but just an average night going out to bars or gay pool parties: it’s become so uncommon to run into another escort, that I rarely bring it up much in public. At least not in the region I’m in. You see them, but you almost have to look for them. Whereas lately the closest many guys get to sex work, is Instagram modeling and onlyfans. And some of them don’t even work with other guys, it’s just them doing solo things. 

Me personally I won't hire someone that advertises as straight.  I hire for the experience and I want to be with someone who is gay or bi.

[MikeBiDude]

20 minutes ago, jmichaeliii said:

Me personally I won't hire someone that advertises as straight.  I hire for the experience and I want to be with someone who is gay or bi.

I hire for the experience and not the label.

[jmichaeliii]

1 minute ago, MikeBiDude said:

I hire for the experience and not the label.

Maybe it's just me, but it seems fake when someone straight is doing this.  That's just my personal feeling.

[+ José Soplanucas]

19 minutes ago, jmichaeliii said:

Maybe it's just me, but it seems fake when someone straight is doing this.  That's just my personal feeling.

It's understandable that you might have reservations when it comes to intimacy with straight guys. The dynamic between someone who identifies as gay and someone who identifies as straight can be complex. However, sexual orientation doesn't necessarily dictate someone's ability to connect emotionally or physically.

Sometimes, we may have preconceived notions that can affect our experiences. It's possible that you may have had encounters with straight men who genuinely cared about your pleasure and satisfaction but you assumed they were gay.

At the same time, not every gay man will provide the same level of intimacy or authenticity. It's all about finding someone who truly connects with you on multiple levels, regardless of their sexual orientation.

Furthermore, when we talk about men who belong to a different culture, perhaps categories like gay and straight become less relevant.

PS> Editing just to make my point extra clear. A straight guy may deliver a horrible experience because he is a horrible provider, not because he is straight. At the same time, hiring a gay guy does not guarantee you will have a quality experience.

Edited February 5 by José Soplanucas

[jmichaeliii]

3 minutes ago, José Soplanucas said:

It's understandable that you might have reservations when it comes to intimacy with straight guys. The dynamic between someone who identifies as gay and someone who identifies as straight can be complex. However, sexual orientation doesn't necessarily dictate someone's ability to connect emotionally or physically.

Sometimes, we may have preconceived notions that can affect our experiences. It's possible that you may have had encounters with straight men who genuinely cared about your pleasure and satisfaction but you assumed they were gay.

At the same time, not every gay man will provide the same level of intimacy or authenticity. It's all about finding someone who truly connects with you on multiple levels, regardless of their sexual orientation.

Furthermore, when we talk about men who belong to a different culture, perhaps categories like gay and straight become less relevant.

PS> Editing just to make my point extra clear. A straight guy may deliver a horrible experience because he is a horrible provider, not because he is straight. At the same time, hiring a gay guy does not guarantee you will have a quality experience.

Point taken and I agree.   I did not think of it that way before.

[Just Chuck]

I was browsing ads in a city that has a low percentage of latin people and spotted a relatively high number of latin men one evening this fall.  So, I looked across RentMen and captured some numbers and compared that to US Census Data for those same cities.  

 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

10 hours ago, Medin said:

yet the prices haven't come down.   As long as guys are willing to pay $200 for a "masseur" with no zero skills or an escort who tries to get you out the door as soon as possible, a lot of guys will enter the industry.   

I’ll just add another thing regarding price points and stuff: I’m reaching a stage where I don’t know if $200/$250 sessions are sustainable much longer. Even though RentMasseur is supposed to be geared towards massages, truth is a lot of people go there looking for “other” services. The issue is: some are willing to pay $500, the majority seem to expect $60, $80, $100. $150 max. 
 

The problem this presents for me is: if I’m going to appease the lower end of the rates, I have to be taking much higher volume than I’ve been seeing in the past couple years. It used to be okay in the Craigslist days to have clients calling and texting daily, and I had an open in-call space to host from. However the issue with volume is, the wear and tear (not literal) on my body and health.
 

That means I have to be traveling often, and taking clients one after the next. And in conversing with a member here the other day, all that hotel staying sometimes leads to random illness here and there, which is the worst to happen during a trip. I’ve also had a helluva time trying to find discreet enough apartments in St. Louis area (many are built where the neighbors door is right next to each other) and I’m not into multi-level buildings due to the moving and even grocery inconvenience it causes.
 

The location I share now is very discreet and easy, but I can’t have 2-3 clients a day in and out with a part time roommate. 
 

And then, when I offer promotional sessions, people aren’t always jumping on it right away. I might get one or 2, and only when I’m available right that moment to take it. Like this past week: I got hit with a $1,000 repair repair bill: yet I had 0 bookings last week. I had to use money set aside up from previous bookings to cover it. Now I’m setback and have to somehow try to come back up again, and make that money back. And I know it’s unlikely to happen in my local area because all the ecstatic Kansas City fans are spending money to go to Las Vegas or host Super Bowl parties, so I need to once again plan a tour. 

I feel the best solution is to transition to somewhere between $350 to $500 for a meet. Not an “hour”, a meet. Simply because I know most clients only want to stay for an hour or 2. Whether they want stay an hour, 90 minutes or 2: $500 is generally sufficient hypothetically. Only thing, I would hate to alienate some of the younger clients out there who wish to meet, but for them I’d have to probably come up with some sort of compromise. Maybe “$100 off for clients under 30 lol” similar to how nightclubs charge under 21 extra to get in, but in my case they’d be eligible for a discount.

Plus hotels are too goddamn expensive anymore. Couple weeks ago I hosted a regular, and I did ask him for $500 because: the hotel was $89+taxes and a $100 deposit. So basically came up to over $200. So how the fuck am I going to host a client for $150/$200/$250 when when many hotels are sucking up $200 right off the bat? It’s crazy. 
 

It’s very expensive to be a provider and people don’t understand that. It’s infuriating at times. I remember years ago, a client of mine somehow included his ATM receipt with the payment in the envelope. I remember him being generous but, he had like $27,000 in his bank account balance. I wasn’t mad but, it would make me livid to know a client doesn’t want to pay $500 versus $250, and sitting with $20,000+ in the bank account. I don’t even have $2,500 in mine right now 🤷🏾‍♂️ 

I know that’s deep stuff some people don’t want to know but, people need to understand why some of us do what we do. I can’t speak for everyone, and I’m certainly not normalizing $350+: but after the many years I been in the scene, I just feel I deserve it for every session. 

 

Edited February 6 by Jarrod_Uncut

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

On 2/4/2024 at 1:26 PM, Boaxxx said:

I've always seen a number of providers from Brazil but then lately there seems to be so many from Venezuela and Colombia which makes me wonder why?

Those are very popular countries to be leaving.  The men in question had enough money to buy a one way plane ticket, unlike men from countries with even worse economies.

[+ keroscenefire]

7 hours ago, Just Chuck said:

I was browsing ads in a city that has a low percentage of latin people and spotted a relatively high number of latin men one evening this fall.  So, I looked across RentMen and captured some numbers and compared that to US Census Data for those same cities.  

 

 

Very interesting data. Thanks for providing it. I was curious so I ran it again and now Denver has 21/89 Latin guys. So a little higher now at 23%. Another data point would be to look at guys who speak Spanish. That's actually a bit higher than "Latin" in Denver at 24/89 or 27%. A few "Latin" guys drop off and a couple more guys come up. Latin is somewhat nebulous term. One guy who comes up as a Spanish speaker but not Latin is KevinCol who puts his ethnicity as black but also says he is Colombian. Probably would be described as afro-Latino to me and probably most people. Just might be missing a few "Latin" guys based excluslively on the Latin tag on RM.

Also generally interesting that the two highest Latin population cities have the lowest number of Latin escorts. Maybe people are more interested in what isn't common?

Thanks for this data though. I find it quite interesting. 

[JamesB]

The majority of my hiring takes place in Florida, where I have become accustomed to encountering a significant proportion of Latin providers. Nevertheless, over the past few years, there has been a noticeable rise in the number of individuals from Venezuela. This surge can be readily attributed to the adverse economic and political conditions prevailing in Venezuela, coupled with the lenient migration policies currently in effect.

 

[+ DrownedBoy]

One thing - you're more likely to find Venezuelan providers on social media other than RentMen. There's quite a few on Grindr. If you're in the country with little or no money, that RM fee can be high.