Migrant Men-What's your experience?

[+ keroscenefire]

Denver, like many cities, has seen the arrival of many migrant men in the last year or so. Primarily from South America, some of the sexiest men are turning to escorting while many other opportunities remain closed to them.

I've had a bit of experience with the guys in Denver, but am definitely curious if other on here have had encounters as well. A few things I've gathered:

1) Most have come within the last year and know little to no English. Unless you communicate to them in Spanish, they likely will be using Google translate to communicate with you. Some things are often lost in translation and you see it in the ads as well. One guy in Denver says he enjoys "morbid penetration"in his ad. Not trying to make fun of these guys, but you have to realize that they may not be able to communicate in English well. 

 

2) That said, they are fun, sexy guys that have a genuine aim to please. I've found these guys have been among my best recent hires. They have limits of course but they are willing to do quite a lot and have nice dicks and sexy bodies. I've always found they look exactly like their pictures. They are willing to send pics of themselves for verification. And if you know Spanish, they are interesting conversationalists. Some have definitely had quite a journey in life.

 

3) They often live together in groups. There's defnitely a group of about 3-4 guys who are living together in Denver. It sounds like they're more friends then boyfriends but they apparently would be down to work together and I know they also do OnlyFans and other things together. I don't get the vibe that they are being taken advantage of anything. I certainly hope that is not the case.

 

4) Overall, if there's a new Latin guy that catches your eye, I say go for it! They do know the business though and they charge the standard $300 as most guys in Denver do. We shouldn't try to go cheap on them just because they are new or naive. I think they are absolutely worth donating what they ask.

Anyone else have recent experiences with recent arrivals to our country? Any tips or experiences to share? I'd be curious if and how a non-Spanish speaking person hired one.

Also we no longer have a politics thread for good reason, so please don't view this thread as an invitation to any kind of political discussion or anti-immigration talk. I am just honestly curious how other members have interacted with these guys or even if they are in many other cities. Denver has a solid half-dozen guys but perhaps we are an outlier.

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

I meet with a few and offer $250/hr.  I figure that's fair since they aren't required to pay social security tax on their income the way citizen self-employed escorts are required to.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

I don’t necessarily have similar direct experience with migrant providers, however I know there’s some other “literature” out there that references similar topic:

 

So, with that said: we don’t always know the full background for each individual person’s situation. I know the language barrier could be easier for someone fluent in Spanish, but I have heard from a (White) client personally who mentioned to me about someone he met communicating in how you describe, and that he didn’t expect it. So for some that might be an issue. 
 

The risks may be different in Denver versus a place like say Oklahoma, Texas, or Las Vegas. 
 

I know for me personally escort or not an escort: I’d be concerned about safety and privacy when visiting someone where there’s multiple guys doing sex work in one place. I don’t even like to do that outside of sex work just because the potential drugs and/or drama that could invite. One might have a client coming, another have a client going. And all the activity might set off 🤨 depending upon the layout of wherever you going. Maybe hosting would be advantageous.

I did have a great time with a guy in Chicago who was mixed with Guatemalan American and had the same (real) first name as me.
 

Everyone can see who they wish to see, however with so much going on at the border and uncertainty with it all: It’s important to be a bit discerning versus looking thru the horny goggles 🥽 so to speak lol.

Edited January 27 by Jarrod_Uncut

[+ keroscenefire]

1 hour ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I don’t necessarily have similar direct experience with migrant providers, however I know there’s some other “literature” out there that references similar topic:

 

So, with that said: we don’t always know the full background for each individual person’s situation. I know the language barrier could be easier for someone fluent in Spanish, but I have heard from a (White) client personally who mentioned to me about someone he met communicating in how you describe, and that he didn’t expect it. So for some that might be an issue. 
 

That said, the risks may be different in Denver versus a place like say Oklahoma, Texas, or Las Vegas. 
 

I know for me personally escort or not an escort: I’d be concerned about safety and privacy when visiting someone where there’s multiple guys doing sex work in one place. I don’t even like to do that outside of sex work just because the potential drugs and/or drama that could invite. One might have a client coming, another have a client going. And all the activity might set off 🤨 depending upon the layout of wherever you going. Maybe hosting would be advantageous.

That said, I did have a great time with a guy in Chicago who was mixed with Guatemalan American and had the same (real) first name as me.
 

Everyone can see who they wish to see, however with so much going on at the border and uncertainty with it all: It’s important to be a bit discerning versus looking thru the horny goggles 🥽 so to speak lol.

Thanks. Yeah I do think some of these guys could be vulnerable to human trafficking and I do think it is good to be careful of that. I don't think the main group in Denver is that as far as I can tell. I have always hosted though and have met them outside my place and walked them in. Interestingly, they have no problem taking Ubers from wherever they are staying and did not ask for me to pay for the Uber at all. They also do not want to host so my thought is maybe they are staying with someone who they don't want to know about their side hustle. It does sound like they possibly live together though so who knows. 

[+ FrankR]

4 hours ago, keroscenefire said:

Denver, like many cities, has seen the arrival of many migrant men in the last year or so. Primarily from South America, some of the sexiest men are turning to escorting while many other opportunities remain closed to them.

I've had a bit of experience with the guys in Denver, but am definitely curious if other on here have had encounters as well. A few things I've gathered:

1) Most have come within the last year and know little to no English. Unless you communicate to them in Spanish, they likely will be using Google translate to communicate with you. Some things are often lost in translation and you see it in the ads as well. One guy in Denver says he enjoys "morbid penetration"in his ad. Not trying to make fun of these guys, but you have to realize that they may not be able to communicate in English well. 

 

2) That said, they are fun, sexy guys that have a genuine aim to please. I've found these guys have been among my best recent hires. They have limits of course but they are willing to do quite a lot and have nice dicks and sexy bodies. I've always found they look exactly like their pictures. They are willing to send pics of themselves for verification. And if you know Spanish, they are interesting conversationalists. Some have definitely had quite a journey in life.

 

3) They often live together in groups. There's defnitely a group of about 3-4 guys who are living together in Denver. It sounds like they're more friends then boyfriends but they apparently would be down to work together and I know they also do OnlyFans and other things together. I don't get the vibe that they are being taken advantage of anything. I certainly hope that is not the case.

 

4) Overall, if there's a new Latin guy that catches your eye, I say go for it! They do know the business though and they charge the standard $300 as most guys in Denver do. We shouldn't try to go cheap on them just because they are new or naive. I think they are absolutely worth donating what they ask.

Anyone else have recent experiences with recent arrivals to our country? Any tips or experiences to share? I'd be curious if and how a non-Spanish speaking person hired one.

Also we no longer have a politics thread for good reason, so please don't view this thread as an invitation to any kind of political discussion or anti-immigration talk. I am just honestly curious how other members have interacted with these guys or even if they are in many other cities. Denver has a solid half-dozen guys but perhaps we are an outlier.

I have had two experiences with guys that I believe are recent immigrants. Both were for massages and both looked like their pics. Only one appeared to be trained but both stuck around for the full 90 minutes. There was no erotic element to either appointment though from his social media the one guy is clearly gay - the other did not have social media and I got the sense he was straight.  Neither spoke English and we did not get into their living arrangements - both indicated they traveling into the city from an outer burrough.  Both charged less than the standard rate for my city for a massage but I paid the standard rate and tip. The SayHi app is great for those that do not speak Spanish. They both preferred Whatsapp for communication post introductions on Adam4Adam. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

1 hour ago, keroscenefire said:

Thanks. Yeah I do think some of these guys could be vulnerable to human trafficking and I do think it is good to be careful of that. I don't think the main group in Denver is that as far as I can tell. I have always hosted though and have met them outside my place and walked them in. Interestingly, they have no problem taking Ubers from wherever they are staying and did not ask for me to pay for the Uber at all. They also do not want to host so my thought is maybe they are staying with someone who they don't want to know about their side hustle. It does sound like they possibly live together though so who knows. 

Hmm, interesting. It might just be a side hustle for them in between other things and may be splitting living costs. I thought you were referring to one hosting at the same time with a few other guys around or something.
 

I’m just curious: how would you surmise that they all stay with each other, by chance? I just ask because I’ve had clients ask me if I know so and so or if I’m friends with other guys. Even had one client (in Denver) couple years back ask if I knew the escort guy staying next door to me at a hotel with like 10 floors🤦🏾‍♂️ I’m like no, and have no idea how I got placed right next door to another guy with an ad. 

I would find it hard not being able to host though. I’ve found most clients in Denver and it’s “brother” city without mountains aka Kansas City, can rarely ever host. I have to keep a booking bag packed and a list of hotels on speed dial because: it never fails someone will contact me in the morning or early afternoon wanting me to host within a couple hours.

Edited January 27 by Jarrod_Uncut

[+ keroscenefire]

30 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

 

I’m just curious: how would you surmise that they all stay with each other, by chance? I just ask because I’ve had clients ask me if I know so and so or if I’m friends with other guys. Even had one client (in Denver) couple years back ask if I knew the escort guy staying next door to me at a hotel with like 10 floors🤦🏾‍♂️ I’m like no, and have no idea how I got placed right next door to another guy with an ad. 

I would find it hard not being able to host though. I’ve found most clients in Denver and it’s “brother” city without mountains aka Kansas City, can rarely ever host. I have to keep a booking bag packed and a list of hotels on speed dial because: it never fails someone will contact me in the morning or early afternoon wanting me to host within a couple hours.

I have only met two guys. With the second guy, he said something about how the first guy said I was cool, like a good client I guess. He appeciated that I knew some Spanish I think more than anything. Haha.  Then I asked him if they knew each other and he said that they were friends and that they lived together. 

I'm probably a bit more inquisitive than I should be but yeah I basically just got to talking them a bit and they told me a bit about their situation. I also found their social media and OnlyFans and they definitely mess with each other on there. I met with the first guy again and he also said he's living with a few guys in north Denver.

Interstingly, that hotel you stayed at when you were in Denver they now use to house migrants. Mostly families though. They are the only ones that are allowed to stay there more than like a week. But many were staying on the sidewalks right next to it. They did a sweep though right before we had a cold snap (got down to -10) so I am not sure where they ended up. I guess in shelters somewhere.

I never mind hosting so if you pop through again to Denver, you're welcome to come by. Just a warning that my place is kind of small though. Haha. 

 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

2 hours ago, keroscenefire said:

Interstingly, that hotel you stayed at when you were in Denver they now use to house migrants.

 

Oh yeah, I remember that hotel. It’s normally nicer than that room I had but it was mostly sold out lol. Seems like they’ve gone back and forward between being a hotel and a shelter ever since Covid. It only recently became a corporate brand in the last few years but it’s changed names a couple times. The adjacent building is nicer, but last time I stayed they were doing some remodeling and the pent house jacuzzi room I used to stay in wasn’t available.

I may get back out there again in the near future, however my last trip there in August was a total bust. Spent 3 days there and not a single (real) client. I was infuriated. I didn’t have any hotel overhead though because it was a friend’s meetup. But the day I came home, ended up with an awful strep throat…And had to be out of commission for an additional few days. 

I know last year was slow in a lot of cities though, so maybe I’ll get back out there on a different season. But similar to Chicago and Atlanta: I’m not going to spend my money going unless I have specific reason to be there. And next time I’m taking my phone number down because far too many time wasters and guys who don’t want to do deposits there lol. We need more guys like you, @keroscenefire 😜 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Also I found this article: I was not aware that this was an issue in Denver:

Denver’s mayor asks Biden administration for more work authorizations to get migrants off streets

WWW.NBCNEWS.COM

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Temperatures are falling and migrants keep coming. Mayor Mike Johnston is hoping work authorizations will help...

That’s why I say: at the end of the day it’s good to be discerning. I’m not going to get too deeply political (as requested) but I’m not sure why they are sending migrants to downtown Denver, when the locals have been long dealing with housing and homeless issues themselves. There’s plenty of land and small towns in Colorado, Wyoming, Montana.

That’s why, my biz model lately has been to spend less time in the bigger populated cities. The money isn’t there anymore like it used to because it’s like 20 guys trying to get the same 1 client. Too much competition and migration from California AND abroad lol.

 

[soloyo215]

14 hours ago, keroscenefire said:

They do know the business though and they charge the standard $300 as most guys in Denver do. We shouldn't try to go cheap on them just because they are new or naive. I think they are absolutely worth donating what they ask.

What makes you think that being new to a place makes them naive?

When I first arrived top USA, there were a few Americans who learned a few lessons from me the hard way, thinking that having an accent or being a migrant makes you stupid or naive. The way some times people have to hustle to survive and make a living in their native countries actually gives them a lot so ftreet smarts. Of course, some might be in fact naive, but not because they are new to the country.

Edited January 27 by soloyo215

[+ José Soplanucas]

15 hours ago, keroscenefire said:

Denver, like many cities, has seen the arrival of many migrant men in the last year or so. Primarily from South America, some of the sexiest men are turning to escorting while many other opportunities remain closed to them.

I've had a bit of experience with the guys in Denver, but am definitely curious if other on here have had encounters as well. A few things I've gathered:

1) Most have come within the last year and know little to no English. Unless you communicate to them in Spanish, they likely will be using Google translate to communicate with you. Some things are often lost in translation and you see it in the ads as well. One guy in Denver says he enjoys "morbid penetration"in his ad. Not trying to make fun of these guys, but you have to realize that they may not be able to communicate in English well. 

 

2) That said, they are fun, sexy guys that have a genuine aim to please. I've found these guys have been among my best recent hires. They have limits of course but they are willing to do quite a lot and have nice dicks and sexy bodies. I've always found they look exactly like their pictures. They are willing to send pics of themselves for verification. And if you know Spanish, they are interesting conversationalists. Some have definitely had quite a journey in life.

 

3) They often live together in groups. There's defnitely a group of about 3-4 guys who are living together in Denver. It sounds like they're more friends then boyfriends but they apparently would be down to work together and I know they also do OnlyFans and other things together. I don't get the vibe that they are being taken advantage of anything. I certainly hope that is not the case.

 

4) Overall, if there's a new Latin guy that catches your eye, I say go for it! They do know the business though and they charge the standard $300 as most guys in Denver do. We shouldn't try to go cheap on them just because they are new or naive. I think they are absolutely worth donating what they ask.

Anyone else have recent experiences with recent arrivals to our country? Any tips or experiences to share? I'd be curious if and how a non-Spanish speaking person hired one.

Also we no longer have a politics thread for good reason, so please don't view this thread as an invitation to any kind of political discussion or anti-immigration talk. I am just honestly curious how other members have interacted with these guys or even if they are in many other cities. Denver has a solid half-dozen guys but perhaps we are an outlier.

I do not think there is any significative difference between documented or undocumented escorts regarding quality and safety. You will have the same chances to get good or poor service, you will have to take the same safety precautions you take with escorts who are US citizens.

You point to the most significant difference and challenge, the language barriere. You are already working through that challenge quite successfully, it seems to me. I would only suggest you to see this difficulty as an opportunity. These guys are probably enthusiastic about learning English, and that opens the gate for you to develop rapport. Consider offering trades like weekly meetings where you chat one hour in Spanish and one hour in English. Not only would you foster rapport from delivering to their need, but also from the natural empathy we feel when a foreigner wants to learn our language. Of course, this is in addition to any non educative deals you may want to make. 

The other significant difference I see is, as pointed in this thread, that these boys are relatively more exposed to all kind of risks (traffic, exploitation, health, poverty, etc) than US citizens.  I am glad they are meeting a decent man like you, who genuinely appreciates them and is not trying to take advantage of their situation.

[+ WilliamM]

17 hours ago, keroscenefire said:

Denver, like many cities, has seen the arrival of many migrant men in the last year or so. Primarily from South America, some of the sexiest men are turning to escorting while many other opportunities remain closed to them.

I've had a bit of experience with the guys in Denver, but am definitely curious if other on here have had encounters as well. A few things I've gathered:

1) Most have come within the last year and know little to no English. Unless you communicate to them in Spanish, they likely will be using Google translate to communicate with you. Some things are often lost in translation and you see it in the ads as well. One guy in Denver says he enjoys "morbid penetration"in his ad. Not trying to make fun of these guys, but you have to realize that they may not be able to communicate in English well. 

 

2) That said, they are fun, sexy guys that have a genuine aim to please. I've found these guys have been among my best recent hires. They have limits of course but they are willing to do quite a lot and have nice dicks and sexy bodies. I've always found they look exactly like their pictures. They are willing to send pics of themselves for verification. And if you know Spanish, they are interesting conversationalists. Some have definitely had quite a journey in life.

 

3) They often live together in groups. There's defnitely a group of about 3-4 guys who are living together in Denver. It sounds like they're more friends then boyfriends but they apparently would be down to work together and I know they also do OnlyFans and other things together. I don't get the vibe that they are being taken advantage of anything. I certainly hope that is not the case.

 

4) Overall, if there's a new Latin guy that catches your eye, I say go for it! They do know the business though and they charge the standard $300 as most guys in Denver do. We shouldn't try to go cheap on them just because they are new or naive. I think they are absolutely worth donating what they ask.

Anyone else have recent experiences with recent arrivals to our country? Any tips or experiences to share? I'd be curious if and how a non-Spanish speaking person hired one.

Also we no longer have a politics thread for good reason, so please don't view this thread as an invitation to any kind of political discussion or anti-immigration talk. I am just honestly curious how other members have interacted with these guys or even if they are in many other cities. Denver has a solid half-dozen guys but perhaps we are an outlier.

Perhaps most members know    there is no longer a political  forum

[+ keroscenefire]

2 hours ago, soloyo215 said:

What makes you think that being new to a place makes them naive?

When I first arrived top USA, there were a few Americans who learned a few lessons from me the hard way, thinking that having an accent or being a migrant makes you stupid or naive. The way some times people have to hustle to survive and make a living in their native countries actually gives them a lot so ftreet smarts. Of course, some might be in fact naive, but not because they are new to the country.

I meant more the perception that they are "new and naive." I agree. I don't think they are very naive. They very much know what they are worth and they have travelled thousands of miles and are pretty in tune with sex work. The guys I am talking about lived in Colombia first (one if Venezuelan and the other is Colombian) and did cam shows and OnlyFans stuff there before making the trek to the US. So they really have been doing this for a while and my point is really that we shouldn't assume they are naive just because they are new to the country. 

[+ keroscenefire]

15 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

I meet with a few and offer $250/hr.  I figure that's fair since they aren't required to pay social security tax on their income the way citizen self-employed escorts are required to.

 I am fine negotating whatever with any escort and if they go for $250 instead of $300 that is great. I just don't think there is any reason to do that to a migrant escort over a citizen escort. A legal resident/citizen escort can do other jobs that a migrant cannot. Most guys I know have other full or part-time jobs in addition to escorting and my guess is that a lot of their escort money is not taxed like their regular job.

[+ keroscenefire]

1 hour ago, José Soplanucas said:

You point to the most significant difference and challenge, the language barriere. You are already working through that challenge quite successfully, it seems to me. I would only suggest you to see this difficulty as an opportunity. These guys are probably enthusiastic about learning English, and that opens the gate for you to develop rapport. Consider offering trades like weekly meetings where you chat one hour in Spanish and one hour in English. Not only would you foster rapport from delivering to their need, but also from the natural empathy we feel when a foreigner wants to learn our language. Of course, this is in addition to any non educative deals you may want to make. 

I thought about trying to teach them a little English but I don't want to be exploitive about it. One guy was a bit interested in that but the other guy (Morbid penetration) like didn't even change the ad language when I told him that was a weird thing to have in your ad. Haha. 

[+ DrownedBoy]

@keroscenefire and @FrankR, how did you make initial contact with these immigrants?

 

In Chicago, there's quite a few pockets of Venezuelans scattered around the area (I'm not saying which one I'm closest to).

 

On Grindr, I did see two non-English speakers who specifically said they were "buscando trabajo," but when I asked (in English) what kind of work, there was no response. I've been meaning to try again in Spanish. I've also seen a lot looking to "rent a room."

 

They even have a FB group in Chicago. It would be too risky to contact them via this app, but they're all desperate for any work whatsoever, and men have already started making "offers" to Venezuelan women to move in.

 

I'd imagine you could make a good deal, once you establish what you except (if they kiss, I'm happy).

 

Moreover it's happening all over the place: https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/illegal-sex-work-southwest-side-chicago/). The sex work market works like any other market, and in Columbia, local sex workers already complained that Venezuelan refugees were pushing rates down in that area. This influx should be interesting from an economic perspective.

 

Just make sure they're independent and not under anyone's control (https://cwbchicago.com/2024/01/sex-trafficking-ring-forced-migrant-women-chicago-suburbs.html). Since they're men, you should be safe.

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

57 minutes ago, keroscenefire said:

 I am fine negotating whatever with any escort and if they go for $250 instead of $300 that is great. I just don't think there is any reason to do that to a migrant escort over a citizen escort. A legal resident/citizen escort can do other jobs that a migrant cannot. Most guys I know have other full or part-time jobs in addition to escorting and my guess is that a lot of their escort money is not taxed like their regular job.

I try to support Buy America whenever I can.

[pubic_assistance]

I figure if they're living three to a tent, their expenses must be low...so $50 should be adequate for a suck and swallow.

 

[pubic_assistance]

Before anyone hangs me on their cross...I am making fun of the  habit of bragging about how cheap Americans can get laid in foreign countries that have a big supply of desperation, and poverty.

[marylander1940]

11 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

Before anyone hangs me on their cross...I am making fun of the  habit of bragging about how cheap Americans can get laid in foreign countries that have a big supply of desperation, and poverty.

Agreed and understood!

I know an escort from Uruguay who has been overstaying his visa for over 20 years. He escorted back home briefly and told himself: :if I have to lower my pants I'd rather do it where I get the most $". He lives way below his means, sends money home monthly that gets invested in real estate in a country that can't stop growing.

1 hour ago, keroscenefire said:

 I am fine negotating whatever with any escort and if they go for $250 instead of $300 that is great. I just don't think there is any reason to do that to a migrant escort over a citizen escort. A legal resident/citizen escort can do other jobs that a migrant cannot. Most guys I know have other full or part-time jobs in addition to escorting and my guess is that a lot of their escort money is not taxed like their regular job.

Agreed and I'm glad you're took time to make the point clear.

Undocumented guys who escort are not only more grateful for the chance of making so much money but they're also less likely to take risks doing PNP, or engaging in any kind of dispute with a client that might get them reported or even raise any kind of attention from their neighbors, landlord, etc. about their real job. 

57 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

I try to support Buy America whenever I can.

I guess you don't hire escorts from Slovenia, Czechia, etc.

Do you ask for papers and make sure the money is reported to those Stasi thugs of the IRS? 

2 hours ago, WilliamM said:

Perhaps most members know    there is no longer a political  forum

Trying to out Christian, out family values, and out American in this forum is unavoidable to some, they must show THEY'RE the good gays and some other the bad ones! 

 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

2 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

I guess you don't hire escorts from Slovenia, Czechia, etc.

When I'm in those countries I do!  Buy Local.

Shop mom & pop, not WalMart.

Edited January 27 by Vegas_Millennial

[marylander1940]

4 hours ago, soloyo215 said:

What makes you think that being new to a place makes them naive?

When I first arrived top USA, there were a few Americans who learned a few lessons from me the hard way, thinking that having an accent or being a migrant makes you stupid or naive. The way some times people have to hustle to survive and make a living in their native countries actually gives them a lot so ftreet smarts. Of course, some might be in fact naive, but not because they are new to the country.

He's been hopeful he can outsmart them! 

11 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Also I found this article: I was not aware that this was an issue in Denver:

Denver’s mayor asks Biden administration for more work authorizations to get migrants off streets

WWW.NBCNEWS.COM

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Temperatures are falling and migrants keep coming. Mayor Mike Johnston is hoping work authorizations will help...

That’s why I say: at the end of the day it’s good to be discerning. I’m not going to get too deeply political (as requested) but I’m not sure why they are sending migrants to downtown Denver, when the locals have been long dealing with housing and homeless issues themselves. There’s plenty of land and small towns in Colorado, Wyoming, Montana.

That’s why, my biz model lately has been to spend less time in the bigger populated cities. The money isn’t there anymore like it used to because it’s like 20 guys trying to get the same 1 client. Too much competition and migration from California AND abroad lol.

 

That's seems smart specially you don't look exotic among some of those new arrivals.

 

[topunderachiever]

THE very best way to lower exorbitant provider rates is more competition.  All these hunky, hung latin men are allowed in for the perfect reason.  😛

Edited January 27 by topunderachiever

[+ José Soplanucas]

4 hours ago, keroscenefire said:

I thought about trying to teach them a little English but I don't want to be exploitive about it. One guy was a bit interested in that but the other guy (Morbid penetration) like didn't even change the ad language when I told him that was a weird thing to have in your ad. Haha. 

Well, my suggestion may not be the best one for these particular guys, but I do not understand your concerns about exploitation. You are not asking for a discount in their escorts fee, you are offering a fair trade: I tutor you for one hour, and then you tutor me for the same time. Of course any unfair deal is out of the table.

By the way, "morbid" is how Google Translate understands "morbo". You cannot feed a translator with slang, the chances are you will get nonsense. 

[SouthOfTheBorder]

6 hours ago, WilliamM said:

Perhaps most members know    there is no longer a political  forum

they do, but they can’t help themselves. 

i have a brother like that - a benign conversation somehow gets linked to the latest political talking point/conspiracy theory of the day.  when everything is seen & interpreted through a political lens, it makes conversation impossible & impossibly boring.  It’s not partisan - it’s actually both sides of the US system.  

They all love to talk about things they can do nothing about.  Complete waste of time.  Vote at election time - other than that, maybe try reading a book ?