Migrant Men-What's your experience?

[marylander1940]

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@keroscenefire Where do those guys advertise? Asking for friend... only 15 Latin guys on RM out of 90 providers. 

[+ keroscenefire]

2 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

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@keroscenefire Where do those guys advertise? Asking for friend... only 15 Latin guys on RM out of 90 providers. 

In RM in Denver. There's like 5 guys that are definitely recent migrants with ads currently up. Another guy's just recently expired...not sure why. We have 23 "latin guys" currently though most are guys who've been around a bit and are not recent migrants. Also 19 came up when you put "Espanol" as the language and interestingly they are not all the same guys.

[BSR]

15 hours ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

they do, but they can’t help themselves. 

i have a brother like that - a benign conversation somehow gets linked to the latest political talking point/conspiracy theory of the day.  when everything is seen & interpreted through a political lens, it makes conversation impossible & impossibly boring.  It’s not partisan - it’s actually both sides of the US system.  

They all love to talk about things they can do nothing about.  Complete waste of time.  Vote at election time - other than that, maybe try reading a book ?

At least one of your posts was recently deleted by a moderator for being too political.  Aplícate el cuento.

Edited January 28 by BSR
Typo

[+ José Soplanucas]

5 hours ago, BSR said:

Aplícate al cuento.

Uh? This is an example of Google Translate delivering nonsense. What did you feed it with? Walk the Talk?

[BSR]

13 minutes ago, José Soplanucas said:

Uh? This is an example of Google Translate delivering nonsense. What did you feed it with? Walk the Talk?

Oops, sorry, I'm the typo king ... "el" not "al."  Thanks for pointing it out.

PS:  while I do use Google Translate for languages I don't know, occasionally because I don't really trust it, I never use it for Spanish.

[+ DrownedBoy]

22 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

Undocumented guys who escort are not only more grateful for the chance of making so much money but they're also less likely to take risks doing PNP, or engaging in any kind of dispute with a client that might get them reported or even raise any kind of attention from their neighbors, landlord, etc. about their real job. 

Not all of them - I've met my share of young, undocumented Latino guys who think they're God's gift to gay men. Of course, they're not working a second job; they're touring in expensive hotels.  They need to be reminded they're only here on our sufferance.

 

That being said, there are people taking advantage of undocumented migrants. I've met enough gay men here who keep talking about how they want to "sponsor" some hot young Venezuelan guy....and then put them to work as their houseboy. When you only offer housing and food, that's not escorting - that's survival sex. And I already read a profile from a Venezuelan guy who wants a "roommate" in exchange for walking around the place naked all the time.

[BonVivant]

On 1/26/2024 at 9:03 PM, Vegas_Millennial said:

I meet with a few and offer $250/hr.  I figure that's fair since they aren't required to pay social security tax on their income the way citizen self-employed escorts are required to.

The IRS has a different opinion. 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

7 minutes ago, BonVivant said:

The IRS has a different opinion. 

I guess it would depend on if their income is exempt from Social Security per their type of visa (for example, agricultural worker or university research assistant), and if you pay them while they are on the job (bent over in the field as an agricultural worker, or meeting a client in their dorm at the University). 😆

[SouthOfTheBorder]

this thread is borderline distasteful at best.  “Migrant men” seems to imply there is some financial advantage in dealing with new arrivals.  I don’t think the OP meant it that way, but some of the subsequent comments go there.

 When navigating this hobby, there’s a way to do it that offers dignity & grace to all participants.  All are human beings and worthy of your respect & kindness.  Somehow thinking there’s a financial advantage to be had is very poor form.

[+ José Soplanucas]

4 hours ago, BSR said:

Oops, sorry, I'm the typo king ... "el" not "al."  Thanks for pointing it out.

PS:  while I do use Google Translate for languages I don't know, occasionally because I don't really trust it, I never use it for Spanish.

You did not make it any better. I have to be interpreting to understand what you mean. Was my guess accurate? You seem to be translating literally something like "walk the talk" (I am unsure), but literal translations often do not work. 

PS:

if my guess is correct, better translations would be: "hay que predicar con el ejemplo", "hay que hacer lo que se dice". Or, "una acción vale más que mil palabras". Or a little bit more bitchy: "hablar es fácil". 

Edited January 28 by José Soplanucas

[SouthOfTheBorder]

9 hours ago, BSR said:

At least one of your posts was recently deleted by a moderator for being too political

sorry I didn’t reply earlier - I was out meeting a provider.  for real sex. and it was glorious 

I don’t really do reviews on European providers bc it doesn’t seem to be what the people here are looking for.  I’m available by PM if there is interest.  the best of the best 

[marylander1940]

3 minutes ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

sorry I didn’t reply earlier - I was out meeting a provider.  for real sex. and it was glorious 

I don’t really do reviews on European providers bc it doesn’t seem to be what the people here are looking for.  I’m available by PM if there is interest.  the best of the best 

Have you thought about joining a South American forum? Most of the guys commented on here are Americans and you don't think this country of 330,000,000 has good providers or at least that what you've said a few times. 

2 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

Not all of them - I've met my share of young, undocumented Latino guys who think they're God's gift to gay men. Of course, they're not working a second job; they're touring in expensive hotels.  They need to be reminded they're only here on our sufferance.

 

 

MANY straight guys of all backgrounds see themselves that way. 

 

[SouthOfTheBorder]

14 minutes ago, José Soplanucas said:

if my guess is correct, better translations would be: "hay que predicar con el ejemplo", "hay que hacer lo que se dice". Or, "una acción vale más que mil palabras". Or a little bit more bitchy: "hablar es fácil". 

if you have to spoon-feed him the appropriate translations - it kind of negates the shade he intended.  kudos for trying to throwing him a lifeline tho.  

[SouthOfTheBorder]

2 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

Have you thought about joining a South American forum?

why would I join a South American forum, when I’m in Europe & referencing a European provider ?  comprehension skills are a good thing 

 

[marylander1940]

Just now, SouthOfTheBorder said:

why would I join a South American forum, when I’m in Europe & referencing a European provider ?  comprehension skills are a good thing 

 

SOB, you don't live South of the Border?

Keeping the same story and not constantly changing it also gives an eyewitness credibility! 

[+ DrownedBoy]

1 hour ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

this thread is borderline distasteful at best.  “Migrant men” seems to imply there is some financial advantage in dealing with new arrivals.  I don’t think the OP meant it that way, but some of the subsequent comments go there.

 When navigating this hobby, there’s a way to do it that offers dignity & grace to all participants.  All are human beings and worthy of your respect & kindness.  Somehow thinking there’s a financial advantage to be had is very poor form.

There's nothing dehumanizing about seeking out deals. It's called a capitalist economy.

Is someone a monster for waiting for a store owner to overstock, then buy things on sale? Is it inhuman to buy a stock when it's low in price? Are companies evil for lowering their wage offers during times of high unemployment?

As long as there's real cash (and not basic necessities) being exchanged, it's a fair deal, and both parties are adults who can walk away from it.

[SouthOfTheBorder]

6 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

Keeping the same story and not constantly changing it also gives an eyewitness credibility! 

South of the Border is a random user name I chose.  It has nothing to do with where I live or my ethnicity.  Your made the assumption that I lived somewhere in S America or Mexico based on the username.  You've referenced it several times & I just never corrected you bc it didn’t matter.

there is nowhere on this board I’ve said or implied I lived in S America or Mexico.  I never have.  That was something you created in your head based on your preconceived ideas….just one example of many incorrect assumptions. 

[SouthOfTheBorder]

13 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

There's nothing dehumanizing about seeking out deals.

wow.  it’s absolutely dehumanizing to think human beings can be financially taken advantage of bc of their economic or immigration status.  especially in context of sex work.

i truly feel sorry for anyone you hire. such bad energy & karma.  what goes around comes around 

Edited January 28 by SouthOfTheBorder

[+ keroscenefire]

3 hours ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

this thread is borderline distasteful at best.  “Migrant men” seems to imply there is some financial advantage in dealing with new arrivals.  I don’t think the OP meant it that way, but some of the subsequent comments go there.

 When navigating this hobby, there’s a way to do it that offers dignity & grace to all participants.  All are human beings and worthy of your respect & kindness.  Somehow thinking there’s a financial advantage to be had is very poor form.

I appreciate this perspective and actually went back and forth with doing the thread at all for the reason you say. 

I don't personally think "migrant men" implies any kind of discount. To me it's more of an acknowledgement that there are some things to consider when you are wanting to spend time with a migrant escort. 

My hope more than anything is that this thread might encourage people to try spending time with a migrant escort and that they shouldn't worry as much about any potential issues. And certainly that they should pay them for what they ask. I for one never negotiate down. I always either accept or not accept the suggested donation. 

Migrants are in a complex and challanging position in the US and I actually hope that those of us who are in this hobby can feel comfortable hiring these guys (if they are interested) and giving them the money they may not have many other opportunities to earn in other ways.

[marylander1940]

8 minutes ago, keroscenefire said:

I appreciate this perspective and actually went back and forth with doing the thread at all for the reason you say. 

I don't personally think "migrant men" implies any kind of discount. To me it's more of an acknowledgement that there are some things to consider when you are wanting to spend time with a migrant escort. 

My hope more than anything is that this thread might encourage people to try spending time with a migrant escort and that they shouldn't worry as much about any potential issues. And certainly that they should pay them for what they ask. I for one never negotiate down. I always either accept or not accept the suggested donation. 

Migrants are in a complex and challanging position in the US and I actually hope that those of us who are in this hobby can feel comfortable hiring these guys (if they are interested) and giving them the money they may not have many other opportunities to earn in other ways.

Agred!

To me it also means a backdoor to the American dream! 

[Rudynate]

On 1/26/2024 at 4:27 PM, keroscenefire said:

Denver, like many cities, has seen the arrival of many migrant men in the last year or so. Primarily from South America, some of the sexiest men are turning to escorting while many other opportunities remain closed to them.

I've had a bit of experience with the guys in Denver, but am definitely curious if other on here have had encounters as well. A few things I've gathered:

1) Most have come within the last year and know little to no English. Unless you communicate to them in Spanish, they likely will be using Google translate to communicate with you. Some things are often lost in translation and you see it in the ads as well. One guy in Denver says he enjoys "morbid penetration"in his ad. Not trying to make fun of these guys, but you have to realize that they may not be able to communicate in English well. 

 

2) That said, they are fun, sexy guys that have a genuine aim to please. I've found these guys have been among my best recent hires. They have limits of course but they are willing to do quite a lot and have nice dicks and sexy bodies. I've always found they look exactly like their pictures. They are willing to send pics of themselves for verification. And if you know Spanish, they are interesting conversationalists. Some have definitely had quite a journey in life.

 

3) They often live together in groups. There's defnitely a group of about 3-4 guys who are living together in Denver. It sounds like they're more friends then boyfriends but they apparently would be down to work together and I know they also do OnlyFans and other things together. I don't get the vibe that they are being taken advantage of anything. I certainly hope that is not the case.

 

4) Overall, if there's a new Latin guy that catches your eye, I say go for it! They do know the business though and they charge the standard $300 as most guys in Denver do. We shouldn't try to go cheap on them just because they are new or naive. I think they are absolutely worth donating what they ask.

Anyone else have recent experiences with recent arrivals to our country? Any tips or experiences to share? I'd be curious if and how a non-Spanish speaking person hired one.

Also we no longer have a politics thread for good reason, so please don't view this thread as an invitation to any kind of political discussion or anti-immigration talk. I am just honestly curious how other members have interacted with these guys or even if they are in many other cities. Denver has a solid half-dozen guys but perhaps we are an outlier.

I know a couple young Honduran guys - both of whom are absolute visions.  One, who I think could be gay because he is so flirty, is pretty ambitious - his English is almost fluent, he got his GED not too long ago and has worked in the same restaurant since he first arrived here several years ago.  The other is equally sexy, but knows almost no English.  He is a hard worker, but the lack of English holds him back.  I'm fond of them both but hiring would trigger boundary issues that I wouldn't want to deal with.

[+ augustus]

1 hour ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

wow.  it’s absolutely dehumanizing to think human beings can be financially taken advantage of bc of their economic or immigration status.  especially in context of sex work.

You really believe paying someone $250 an hour instead of $300 an hour is being "financially taken advantage of"???  Are these migrants burdened with taxes like the rest of us, or rent, or health insurance costs, etc.  ??   I think it's the migrants that are laughing their asses off.

[BSR]

3 hours ago, José Soplanucas said:

You did not make it any better. I have to be interpreting to understand what you mean. Was my guess accurate? You seem to be translating literally something like "walk the talk" (I am unsure), but literal translations often do not work. 

PS:

if my guess is correct, better translations would be: "hay que predicar con el ejemplo", "hay que hacer lo que se dice". Or, "una acción vale más que mil palabras". Or a little bit more bitchy: "hablar es fácil". 

Maybe it's not used in Argentina or even this side of the Atlantic, but I hear "aplícate el cuento" occasionally on Spanish TV, basically means "practice what you preach."  Here's an entry in a Spanish-English dictionary:

aplicarse el cuento loc verb	coloquial (actuar en consecuencia)	take your own advice, follow your own advice v expr
	Tú que tanto hablas de ser responsable, aplícate el cuento y pórtate como un adulto.
	You, who talks so much about being responsible: Take your own advice and act like an adult.

By the way, I never translate from English to Spanish.  My brain just doesn't work that way.  That's why I always warn people that I'm the worst translator on the planet.

[BSR]

28 minutes ago, augustus said:

You really believe paying someone $250 an hour instead of $300 an hour is being "financially taken advantage of"???  Are these migrants burdened with taxes like the rest of us, or rent, or health insurance costs, etc.  ??   I think it's the migrants that are laughing their asses off.

If the provider is happy with $250, then that's all that matters.  If he's happy with that amount, then how the heck is it "dehumanizing"?

[+ José Soplanucas]

48 minutes ago, BSR said:

Maybe it's not used in Argentina or even this side of the Atlantic, but I hear "aplícate el cuento" occasionally on Spanish TV, basically means "practice what you preach."  Here's an entry in a Spanish-English dictionary:

aplicarse el cuento loc verb	coloquial (actuar en consecuencia)	take your own advice, follow your own advice v expr
	Tú que tanto hablas de ser responsable, aplícate el cuento y pórtate como un adulto.
	You, who talks so much about being responsible: Take your own advice and act like an adult.

By the way, I never translate from English to Spanish.  My brain just doesn't work that way.  That's why I always warn people that I'm the worst translator on the planet.

You taught me something. It sounds horrible to me.