Migrant Men-What's your experience?

[+ José Soplanucas]

3 hours ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

if you have to spoon-feed him the appropriate translations - it kind of negates the shade he intended.  kudos for trying to throwing him a lifeline tho.  

He did not need any. He was right, I was wrong. 

[BSR]

3 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

There's nothing dehumanizing about seeking out deals. It's called a capitalist economy.

Is someone a monster for waiting for a store owner to overstock, then buy things on sale? Is it inhuman to buy a stock when it's low in price? Are companies evil for lowering their wage offers during times of high unemployment?

As long as there's real cash (and not basic necessities) being exchanged, it's a fair deal, and both parties are adults who can walk away from it.

Also, we're talking about $250 vs. the going rate of $300.  If you offer a starving man a tin of cat food to fist him, then yes, that's dehumanizing.  But let's not get too dramatic about a $50 difference.

I bought really cute Santa gift wrap for 75% off once at an after-Christmas sale.  Call Amnesty International!

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 1/27/2024 at 2:17 PM, topunderachiever said:

THE very best way to lower exorbitant provider rates is more competition.  All these hunky, hung latin men are allowed in for the perfect reason.  😛

Not necessarily. I mean think about it: New York guys, who have like an million escorts are charging what? Meanwhile the small fly over towns with no competition, can’t expect to get $400/hour.
 

And just for the record: no diss to migrants but if that competition affects providers rates, best believe it may affect in other ways. If (in theory) a migrant worker is willing to do a particular job for less, that (in theory) could affect yours or others pay as well. However, as been mentioned: it doesn’t necessarily equate to migrant guys=lower rates. $300 is high even in Denver. I know for a fact, for a long time many clients in Denver never wanted to pay more than $100-$150 back when I lived there in 2010s. It’s gone up a little bit over the years, but not by much. 

[SouthOfTheBorder]

10 hours ago, augustus said:

You really believe paying someone $250 an hour instead of $300 an hour is being "financially taken advantage of"???

it’s all about context 

I don’t think there is anything wrong with negotiating rates with providers.  Although most providers on this forum have expressed they don’t like clients that engage in haggling for a lower rate.  I don’t ever try to negotiate - either I pay the requested rate or move on to a different provider.  I think it’s insulting to the provider to haggle.

But the discussion here is specifically about “migrant men” which implies some sort of temporary or undocumented status and using that as justification/leverage to pay a lower rate, then I think that’s wrong, morally distasteful, crass & exploitive.  The OP did not frame the discussion this way, but it went there.

obviously, we all come from different backgrounds & treat people in different ways.  I just choose to treat the men I meet as real human beings & my equal in every situation, no matter the place or circumstances.  I don’t examine their immigration or economic status and somehow think I can use that to pay less.  In fact, I usually always pay more via tips in those situations because for me, it’s the right thing to do. 

as I’ve said a few times here - there is a way to navigate this hobby with dignity, grace & kindness for all involved.  I know this makes a difference because the guys I hire tell me exactly that.

Edited January 29 by SouthOfTheBorder

[liubit]

10 hours ago, José Soplanucas said:

You taught me something. It sounds horrible to me. 

I am a native Spanish speaker and I have to agree with @BSR, querido @José Soplanucas  To me, “aplícate el cuento” sounds perfectly natural and it is an expression I have frequently heard and used. Such are the wonders of multiple varieties of Spanish. 🤷🏻

[+ José Soplanucas]

33 minutes ago, liubit said:

I am a native Spanish speaker and I have to agree with @BSR, querido @José Soplanucas  To me, “aplícate el cuento” sounds perfectly natural and it is an expression I have frequently heard and used. Such are the wonders of multiple varieties of Spanish. 🤷🏻

Absolutely, my friend. I was wrong. I suffered an episode of Argentine-centeredness. 

And yet, the expression sounds so wrong to me that gives me the creeps.

[BSR]

1 hour ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

I just choose to treat the men I meet as real human beings & my equal in every situation, no matter the place or circumstances

That's lovely.  You should consider treating your fellow forum members with the same respect.  I will never forget when you told me that I should weigh in only if the subject is the Philippines or Filipinos but otherwise STFU.  That was the most disrespectful thing anyone on this forum has ever said to me.  Beyond just providers, it would be nice if you showed such grace and dignity to everyone, for example, even people who disagree with you or whose politics you dislike.  But hey, if you choose to extend such grace and dignity only to those who can help you get an orgasm, I guess the rest of us will just have to accept your decision.

For what it's worth, I never haggle with providers either.  But if a provider quotes me $250, I'm not going to tell him that most providers in the area charge $300.  Nor do I care if he's a recent migrant, what taxes he's paying (or not), or what government assistance he's receiving (or not).  I figured the lower rate in Denver was a response to an influx of providers.  If more supply but the same demand means I pay a bit less, great!  Enjoy it while it lasts.

[BSR]

50 minutes ago, José Soplanucas said:

Absolutely, my friend. I was wrong. I suffered an episode of Argentine-centeredness. 

And yet, the expression sounds so wrong to me that gives me the creeps.

I'll try to avoid saying it on this forum.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, BSR said:

I figured the lower rate in Denver was a response to an influx of providers.  If more supply but the same demand means I pay a bit less, great!

I think that is the point of the discussion. I don’t read anyone’s post as suggesting that migrants should be paid less because they’re migrants; it’s the impact of their influx to the market that folks were commenting on. I don’t think anyone advocated exploitation.

[+ keroscenefire]

Denver definitely has several guys that charge $250 and those are often the guys I meet more regularly. Interestingly, they are not migrants and I am not sure why they charge less except maybe that they have been doing it for longer and are in the mindset of what they charged before the pandemic?

I am not actually sure if the migrants have any effect on the prices of Denver. The ones I met all wanted $300. That's starting to be more common in Denver but yeah we have kind of a lot of guys for how small the city. Definitely if I say, oh sorry that's a bit more than I can afford right now, I very often get offered a lower price.

[SouthOfTheBorder]

1 hour ago, BSR said:

You should consider treating your fellow forum members with the same respect

for those easily offended - I’d suggest avoiding online forums where one behaves as an aggressor and somehow doesn’t think there will be a response.

interesting to note the online tough guys are always the first to run to mods for censoring/cancellation.  funny how that works 
 

[pubic_assistance]

8 hours ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

I think it’s insulting to the provider to haggle.

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

On 1/26/2024 at 4:27 PM, keroscenefire said:

Anyone else have recent experiences with recent arrivals to our country? Any tips or experiences to share? I'd be curious if and how a non-Spanish speaking person hired one.

I have hired several immigrants, both legal and illegal, for services.  The provider I see monthly for manscaping services and massage has been in the country illegally for 20 years now.  We met about 10 years ago.  All off the men I have met have learned English before they arrived in America.  Obviously their accent and grammar have improved the longer they stay here.  Besides providing great service, I have found the conversation to be enlightened.  These men have a "can do" attitude, are grateful to be here, and don't blame the system for anything.  It is a refreshing change from talking with some ungrateful patrons at the local gay bar, lol. 

Edited January 29 by Vegas_Millennial

[+ José Soplanucas]

About haggling, I do not think it is necessary insulting. Those who believe so may be talking from their privilege or from their cultural limited literacy. 

It could be insulting, but not necessarily. 

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[MikeBiDude]

Moderator’s warning. The last 4 posts have been hidden as borderline political or way off the topic of migrant men in general.

Let’s stay on topic here.

[+ keroscenefire]

This is Andres. The main guy I have met in Denver. 

https://rent.men/Andresssantan

[+ José Soplanucas]

1 hour ago, MikeBiDude said:

Moderator’s warning. The last 4 posts have been hidden as borderline political or way off the topic of migrant men in general.

Let’s stay on topic here.

Now I have a serious FOMO attack. I did not see them.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

5 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

These men have a "can do" attitude, are grateful to be here, and don't blame the system for anything.  It is a refreshing change from talking with some ungrateful patrons at the local gay bar, lol. 

As often stated: how someone portrays themselves around another (you) in a business setting, might not necessarily be the same character “behind scenes”.

I find it a bit dubious 🤨 to say a person or people have a “can do attitude” and grateful to be here and not blaming the system, but yet continues to remain here illegally. Of course if someone is overstaying their visa or whatever isn’t going to blame the system, because they’re beating it.  🤷🏾‍♂️ 

I used to be close to a couple Nicaraguan guys in Miami years ago. Sure they had great work ethic and never complained much about the “system” but, they would switch tune at the drop of a dime and had plenty of drama of their own. PLENTY. They also stayed close within those similar to them; Spanish fluent, neighborhoods where English wasn’t required, etc. I’d go back years later, and they were still there in Little Havana and South Miami. So nobody can persuade me and imply migrants are likely to be more ambitious and appreciative than the natives. 

Edited January 30 by Jarrod_Uncut

[BSR]

18 hours ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

for those easily offended - I’d suggest avoiding online forums where one behaves as an aggressor and somehow doesn’t think there will be a response.

You can respond to an aggressor without stooping to nasty disrespect.  All your years at the finest Swiss finishing schools apparently wasted ... pity.

[BSR]

On 1/29/2024 at 5:27 AM, Km411 said:

I think that is the point of the discussion. I don’t read anyone’s post as suggesting that migrants should be paid less because they’re migrants; it’s the impact of their influx to the market that folks were commenting on. I don’t think anyone advocated exploitation.

Shh! Don't say that!!  You'll spoil @SouthOfTheBorder's virtue-signaling and inflated sense of moral superiority.

[Thelatin]

On 1/28/2024 at 4:38 PM, marylander1940 said:

To me it also means a backdoor to the American dream! 

Quite literally.