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[+ glutes]

$500/$600/$700 an hour are the quotes being given now? These providers aren't being reasonable in my book.

"I have the money, I don't see the value."

Your thoughts?

[TorontoDrew]

I wouldn't pay it either but some might. If they get it good for them.  If they don't they either drop the price or drop out of the business.

If you don't want to pay it move on to the guys who charge what you want to pay.

[ThirdEye]

The market will simply humble them. I suspect newbies are the ones throwing these out (or exceptionally hot VIP providers, who are in my opinion,rare).
 

I doubt that seasoned, client-retaining providers, in our current macroeconomic downturn, are the ones with $600-per-hour price tags.

 

Best to stick with the regulars who aren’t charging insane prices. 

Edited Wednesday at 02:00 AM by ThirdEye

[DMonDude]

They have the right to charge whatever they want because there are people happily paying those prices (and higher), and you have the right to book someone who charges less because there are plenty of people charging less. Some providers are simply out of our price range and in someone else's and that's ok. Someone else sees the value you don't. So i really wouldn't let yourself get that "ooo i'm too good for this price" feeling and wanting a bunch of us here to co-sign that lol. That's the start and end of what i think about it personally. There is no "reasonable" price for any of this, it's not a legal market (in most places) and we aren't owed this hobby being cheap/affordable (there are plenty of affordable options though, you might just have expensive tastes your wallet can't keep up with, which is relatable).

[+ glutes]

Providers can charge whatever they want, I am boycotting outrageous hourly rates.

[DMonDude]

41 minutes ago, glutes said:

Providers can charge whatever they want, I am boycotting outrageous hourly rates.

I promise you none of those providers care. This isn't some hill of nobility you're dying on.

[ShortCutie7]

40 minutes ago, glutes said:

Providers can charge whatever they want, I am boycotting outrageous hourly rates.

Exactly, they have a right to quote any fee they want, just like we have a right to conclude that it’s ridiculous and stop the conversation.  I know what the median range in NYC is and will simply not engage with anyone who quotes a rate significantly higher than that.

[moonlight]

I knew a guy who charged well above market rate. He said he gets about 4 clients a month doing that and that's all he wanted. For some it's not necessarily about maximizing revenue. All the power to them. Decline and move on.

[+ Jamie21]

It’s to screen out the cheap clients. 

I get a few who say I’m too expensive for them, and some ask if they can have a special discount. Sorry but no, those are exactly the type of client the pricing structure is designed to avoid! 

 

[Pepper Young]

First, I never negotiate. It seems uncouth and desperate to ask for a discount. If I don't like the price, end of discussion. There's plenty of fish in the sea.

Second, what's worth having is worth paying for, often at full price (this rule applies to a lot of things in life). 

[+ KensingtonHomo]

I'm not even a provider and I'm so tired of these threads. It seems like once a week someone posts about the "outrageous prices" being charged. 

It seems to me that most providers have a second—or maybe primary — job, or they're in school or pursuing a nascent career that doesn't support them yet. So, as @Jamie21, some are pricing themselves so they see 1-2 clients per week. And that's what they want. If they can see 4-6 clients per month and make $2,000-$3,000. That's a studio apartment in NYC. Let's say their day job or studies brings in another $2,000 per month, that's a good living in NYC. If the same guy charges $300/hour, he has to see 3-4 people a week. 

Now, even in NYC, there are plenty of guys charging $300-$350 an hour. Most of the guys I see are in that range. We also often see guys for a minimum of 90 minutes and they usually discount the second hour. 

I do think that as the economy moves into recession (or worse) you'll see more guys getting in the market, and clients cutting back which may lead to a decrease in prices. But it doesn't seem to have happened yet. 

[MottoTtony]

I guess that's the beauty of the free market - providers get to price how they like, and we have the ability to engage with it if we see the value or say no thank you and move on to the next guy, right?

[Alchemy]

 

5 hours ago, Pepper Young said:

First, I never negotiate. It seems uncouth and desperate to ask for a discount. If I don't like the price, end of discussion. There's plenty of fish in the sea.

Second, what's worth having is worth paying for, often at full price (this rule applies to a lot of things in life). 

I also respect the provider's quoted rate by not trying to negotiate. A simple, "Sorry, it's a bit out of my range. I appreciate the response, though..." usually gets a polite, respectful acknowledgment. On one occasion, it resulted in a revised offer: "We could do two hours for..." I've also heard the provider's side of this topic, how some would-be clients counter with half-price or less -- "How about $150?" My regular likes to tell them, "Sorry, go try a bar or a street corner. You get what you pay for."

Edited Thursday at 05:58 PM by Alchemy
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[+ PhileasFogg]

The happier he is, the happier you are.

If you want cheap, go to Applebees.  

[savantsav]

3 hours ago, Alchemy said:

 

I also respect the provider's quoted rate by not trying to negotiate. A simple, "Sorry, it's a bit out of my range. I appreciate the response, though..." usually gets a polite, respectful acknowledgment. On one occasion, it resulted in a revised offer: "We could do two hours for..." I've also heard the provider's side of this topic, how some would-be clients counter with half-price or less -- "How about $150?" My regular likes to tell them, "Sorry, go try a bar or a street corner. You get what you pay for."

This is exactly what I do. "Sorry, it's a bit more than my usual of XXX, I appreciate your response and will definitely keep you in mind if anything changes. Have a great evening!" 3 out of 5 they come back and revise their price. You NEVER haggle, ever ever ever. Don't haggle. Don't come at them because of "outrageous" prices. "Do you think you're Henry Cavill?!?!?" no, don't do that. Thank them for replying, share what your usual expectations are, let them know if anything changes you'll reach out and wish them a good day/evening and don't text them again unless you can actually pay the price quoted. 

Edited Thursday at 09:15 PM by savantsav

[Nightowl]

The providers charge what they want to charge, I pay what I want to pay.  If/when the two align, we have a great time together.

[+ PhileasFogg]

I picked up one of my cars from the detailer yesterday - a Corvette older than me with 9,000 miles on it. When the detailer quoted his price of $4,000, I didn’t hesitate - even though I knew I’d find someone cheaper - because I knew this guy would do it right.   After a month of meticulous detailing, when I saw it, all I could say was “wow!”

I think it’s the same in any service business. You tend to get what you pay for.  And when reputation precedes, you tend to pay more 

[jmichaeliii]

This may be a bit off this topic, but what about providers who message you looking for gifts (such as dinner, but not with me) after you have set a meeting date.

Am I overreacting to this being a hard pass (this guy is rather famous, not that it should change etiquette in my view)?  After the second time this was requested, I let him know what I thought (in as nice a way as I could), so I probably pissed him off and should just cancel the meet.  The meet was setup for in October.

[savantsav]

2 minutes ago, jmichaeliii said:

This may be a bit off this topic, but what about providers who message you looking for gifts (such as dinner, but not with me) after you have set a meeting date.

Am I overreacting to this being a hard pass (this guy is rather famous, not that it should change etiquette in my view)?  After the second time this was requested, I let him know what I thought (in as nice a way as I could), so I probably pissed him off and should just cancel the meet.  The meet was setup for in October.

What do you mean dinner but not with you? They're asking if you could comp them a meal and you're not even going to be there? hard pass.

[jmichaeliii]

21 minutes ago, savantsav said:

What do you mean dinner but not with you? They're asking if you could comp them a meal and you're not even going to be there? hard pass.

You are correct, that was exactly the scenario.  I am pretty sure I finished off any meet because I expressed my displeasure with the request.

[DMonDude]

33 minutes ago, jmichaeliii said:

This may be a bit off this topic, but what about providers who message you looking for gifts (such as dinner, but not with me) after you have set a meeting date.

Am I overreacting to this being a hard pass (this guy is rather famous, not that it should change etiquette in my view)?  After the second time this was requested, I let him know what I thought (in as nice a way as I could), so I probably pissed him off and should just cancel the meet.  The meet was setup for in October.

That's a very weird thing for him to just ask you for out of the blue. That's sugar daddy/sugar baby type stuff, and that should be something that's talked about and agreed upon between you and him in advanced. At the very least. Definitely not overreacting, that's very weird of him to have done.

[jmichaeliii]

2 minutes ago, DMonDude said:

That's a very weird thing for him to just ask you for out of the blue. That's sugar daddy/sugar baby type stuff, and that should be something that's talked about and agreed upon between you and him in advanced. At the very least. Definitely not overreacting, that's very weird of him to have done.

To top it off, he got offended about what I wrote and replied I could have just said no and be done.  

I don't agree.. in my view the provider should have a clue this is just not cool.  It is disappointing as this is a fairly famous guy in the porn industry and my expectations were maybe higher than they should have been.

[d.anders]

On 9/2/2025 at 10:32 PM, glutes said:

outrageous hourly rates

When I see what young people are paying to live in Manhattan these days, my heart breaks. When I moved here, I found a fabulous one-bedroom apartment, rent-stabilized, for under $400 a month. At the time, I thought that was outrageous.

The cost of living in a place like Manhattan has gone through the roof. IMO, the greed is insane. But in many cases, greed has nothing to do with it. Good luck finding skilled labor to work on your apartment. The demand is so high, these guys can ask for any price, and still turn down customers. Everything changed after Covid.

People tend to buy what they can afford. I would like to own a car in the city, but I can't afford it. Makes little sense to waste time complaining about it. I guess I should consider myself lucky that sex was never all that important to me.