Longer session clients are golden…wish there was more

[Jarrod_Uncut]

…and not to seem unappreciative of the hourly/under $500 bookings. But:

I had a booking over the weekend that was a longer visit over 1,000. I only had 1 other visit like that all year, and it makes a big difference.

I know $250+ is a lot for most dudes to give for an “experience” anyway, but I had to run it by someone who sees me occasionally the other day: Higher amount bookings tend to be the most important thing to biz, next to regulars of course. Some of these guys only want to throw a couple hundred bucks, but they’ll talk all about how they spent $1,000 on this, or $2,000 on that luxury like it’s nothing. Which is fine, it’s their money and prerogative…

But at the same time, I can’t always multiply 200 or 300 by 5 clients in a week. Especially in markets that already have plenty of new and local escorts and masseurs, but not really enough clients to go around. So as I explained to someone the other day, “I feel like you expect me to feel asking $250/$300 is too expensive”. What if that is the only booking I have that weekend, or in some cases the whole week? Figure out how to make that last. It really doesn’t.

I know some clients probably don’t wish to spend an overnight or two days with someone. But it’s looking really attractive to go the longer session only route when doing certain bookings/locations. Like lately, I’m cutting back on the “go to a city and see 5 clients” because that’s not really always the turn out. Even after  sifting thru 1,000 messages. If they haven’t texted and done what’s needed to confirm, most times it’s just inquiries and guys bullshitting around…

So 5 “clients” could end up only being 1 actually booking (true story last month in one city, but fortunately it was an extended time booking). 

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[Rudynate]

12 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

…and not to seem unappreciative of the hourly/under $500 bookings. But:

I had a booking over the weekend that was a longer visit over 1,000. I only had 1 other visit like that all year, and it makes a big difference.

I know $250+ is a lot for most dudes to give for an “experience” anyway, but I had to run it by someone who sees me occasionally the other day: Higher amount bookings tend to be the most important thing to biz, next to regulars of course. Some of these guys only want to throw a couple hundred bucks, but they’ll talk all about how they spent $1,000 on this, or $2,000 on that luxury like it’s nothing. Which is fine, it’s their money and prerogative…

But at the same time, I can’t always multiply 200 or 300 by 5 clients in a week. Especially in markets that already have plenty of new and local escorts and masseurs, but not really enough clients to go around. So as I explained to someone the other day, “I feel like you expect me to feel asking $250/$300 is too expensive”. What if that is the only booking I have that weekend, or in some cases the whole week? Figure out how to make that last. It really doesn’t.

I know some clients probably don’t wish to spend an overnight or two days with someone. But it’s looking really attractive to go the longer session only route when doing certain bookings/locations. Like lately, I’m cutting back on the “go to a city and see 5 clients” because that’s not really always the turn out. Even after  sifting thru 1,000 messages. If they haven’t texted and done what’s needed to confirm, most times it’s just inquiries and guys bullshitting around…

So 5 “clients” could end up only being 1 actually booking (true story last month in one city, but fortunately it was an extended time booking). 

That's generally the goal with professional services - more revenue from "rocks" and just filling in gaps with "pebbles."

[Thelatin]

I just spent 5 nights at an airbnb with 2 providers.  I spent 3000 on them, plus paid for the dinners, booze etc. 

It’s all about what each party wants.  It was a “vacation” for them.  Plus they made a bit of bank. 

We are planning our next trip. 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

4 hours ago, Thelatin said:

 It was a “vacation” for them. 

That's what you tell yourself, but that's not the truth.

[Simon Suraci]

3 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

That's what you tell yourself, but that's not the truth.

^Agree. This is work for us, NOT a vacation. Part of that work is making it seem as though it is. A true vacation to me is going where I want, with who I want, when I want, and I am paying for it with my own money because I value and choose everything about the experience and do not have to perform anything for anyone, or be beholden to anyone for my time or attention or sex.

Good for you @Thelatin for finding an arrangement with two guys you like for such a relatively low cost. I understand it may be a big total dollar amount out of your pocket for the three days, but it’s actually a low fee per day per person when you break it down. If it works for them and for you, great. For me, I stand to make the same or more over three days taking several clients without having to entertain nearly 24/7, so the economics of it make less sense for me.

I couldn’t do a “vacation”, however glamorous it may be, for $500/day… I currently charge $500 for two hours which my good clients regularly pay without hesitation. I charge $1k for five hours. Some of my select long term loyal clients I will do more like 7-8 hours +/- for $1k. That’s in line with what you’re paying for TWO guys, and you’re getting the extra benefit of nearly 24/7 company from each. Wowza.

The meals and drinks, etc are not part of our compensation, by the way. Sure it costs you and it feels like you’re treating us, but that’s just a necessary and customary cost of longer term hiring. Feeling like you’re treating us is part of the emotional benefit to you. Not that we don’t enjoy food, beverages, sometimes gifts and so on, but we can’t pay our bills with meals and drinks we consume with our client or an article of clothing he buys for us during an afternoon out. All of these things are for the benefit of the client, to enrich his overall experience, to make him feel great, as much as some of it is a practical matter for us. We all have to eat.

All that said, I really enjoy longer term hires. The best ones are clients with whom I’ve built up a good working relationship over many shorter hires. They say it’s worth every penny and more. It’s like giving someone the best day (weekend, week, whatever) of their life. Or at least the best day they have had in a long time. For some, it’s once. For others, it’s once a month. For all, it’s special.

[mike carey]

@BenjaminNicholas and @Simon Suraci I agree absolutely that it's all work. The escort(s) may have their own reasons for accepting a lower rate than they could otherwise expect, but that doesn't detract from the basic fact that it is still work, not vacation. I wouldn't try to second guess what any one escort was thinking when they accepted such an arrangement and nor should a client presume that it was in any way a vacation. When I read the post that prompted this discussion I read it as reporting what the escort(s) said, although you interventions makes me doubt my initial reading of it. (To be clear, I didn't think the quote marks indicated their direct words, rather, I thought they meant it wasn't literally a vacation, just something a bit like one.) But then what I think doesn't matter.

[+ Pensant]

12 hours ago, Thelatin said:

I just spent 5 nights at an airbnb with 2 providers.  I spent 3000 on them, plus paid for the dinners, booze etc. 

It’s all about what each party wants.  It was a “vacation” for them.  Plus they made a bit of bank. 

We are planning our next trip. 

$3,000 total? For 2 x 5 nights? That’s dirt cheap!

[Thelatin]

1 hour ago, Pensant said:

$3,000 total? For 2 x 5 nights? That’s dirt cheap!

I offered - they accepted.  I don’t know, they seemed to enjoy vacation home, the pool, food, gambling, drag show etc.  They want to do it again.  I don’t make the rules….

[Simon Suraci]

2 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

Like the old saying...."You don't pay an escort to come, you pay them to leave."

After I get off, I have no desire to hang out for the rest of the night.  So escorts should feel lucky there are some men who are lonely enough to pay for you to hang out and pretend to be having a good time rather than take another sick you don't really want to suck. 

True. It depends on the client and what they want. Everyone is different. Loneliness may factor in, yes, but not always. Some clients really enjoy a longer experience, and you don’t necessarily have to be a lonely person to benefit from hiring, be it short or longer term. 

Acting is some component of the work we do, but I do genuinely have some good times with clients. Not to say I would choose to do the work for free or that I am thrilled every single second of every meet, but it’s not all drudgery either.

The way I see it, clients pay for us to be focused on their needs, and minimally concerned with our own. I enjoy bringing pleasure to others. I don’t have to act to be concerned with others’ needs, but it is patient work to set aside my own needs and interests for the sake of someone else’s enjoyment.

One can enjoy his job and be good at it, but at the same time be appropriately compensated for it to make sense for all parties. I see it the same for any other type of job.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

5 hours ago, Thelatin said:

I offered - they accepted.  I don’t know, they seemed to enjoy vacation home, the pool, food, gambling, drag show etc.  They want to do it again.  I don’t make the rules….

Well the whole gist of this thread isn’t necessarily about comparing different prices that escorts offer: moreso about any longer arrangement booking that is goes into the $1,000+ range.

Even with the amount I did get, I had to distribute it carefully because I’ve been in such a drought these past couple months. And going a week or 2 without a client and getting a 1 hour session helps, but it goes so fast and then, I’m right back to square one. I don’t think any of us started with: “I only want to make just enough to pay bills/groceries, and barely get by”. 

And lot of people try to make like you have to have a 2nd everyday regular job to make it in the biz. Which is not true because, traveling guys like myself that wouldn’t work. Like this longer booking I took, I had to commute 2 states away just to get it. And while I was there, I even booked in another client so…having one successful venture can often lead to the next.

But 5 days is a long time though, and it sounds like maybe it was a couple who knew each other? In that case I could see it being a vacation definitely.

The other thing too, I often hear about clients here and elsewhere doing longer sessions with White and Latin/Asian/Etc. I know that’s a touchy topic but, it plays a part. However most of my longer sessions tend to be White guys, I know that’s just how it goes.

Also in my case, @pubic_assistance he was not “lonely” but had time alone for a few days…won’t go into the details but, let’s say he wasn’t single or bad looking lol.

[+ DrownedBoy]

As I've mentioned, I almost always hire for 2 hours -  2 orgasms separated by relaxation and conversation.

 

Personally, I enjoy just letting the providers talk. A lot of them like to tell stories (with no names, of course), and quite a few got me to ROFL. Laughter is truly the ultimate aphrodisiac.

[DWnyc]

9 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

One can enjoy his job and be good at it, but at the same time be appropriately compensated for it to make sense for all parties. I see it the same for any other type of job

Bingo 

Which of us has not complained about our jobs to someone at some point, including about compensation, even though most of us wouldn’t trade the security of a paycheck without a backstop or real probability of a better alternative. 

[DWnyc]

28 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

As I've mentioned, I almost always hire for 2 hours -  2 orgasms separated by relaxation and conversation.

 

Personally, I enjoy just letting the providers talk. A lot of them like to tell stories (with no names, of course), and quite a few got me to ROFL. Laughter is truly the ultimate aphrodisiac.

I like the talk too. One of my selection criteria is if a provider seems they can engage. Which is why the act that many put on at the negotiation stage of one word grunts or “I’m too busy to even talk to you” is a turn off beyond the immediate physical aspect.

[DWnyc]

On 3/26/2024 at 6:20 PM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

“I feel like you expect me to feel asking $250/$300 is too expensive”. What if that is the only booking I have that weekend, or in some cases the whole week? Figure out how to make that last. It really doesn’t.

No individual can determine whether something is “too” expensive - the market does a fine job of that. If supply (of what you’re offering and at what price) has insufficient demand - it’s too expensive. if on the other hand you are turning people away you’re likely underpriced and the market will welcome you raising prices and making a fine profit. 

 

4 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I don’t think any of us started with: “I only want to make just enough to pay bills/groceries, and barely get by”. 

Whether or not you make ends meet (and then some) has nothing to do with what a client will be willing to pay. If you have financial goals unmet with what you’re doing, you need to reevaluate those choices as many of us likely have had to do.

[Thelatin]

5 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

But 5 days is a long time though, and it sounds like maybe it was a couple who knew each other? In that case I could see it being a vacation definitely.

Exactly.  I noticed he had a boyfriend on social media.  I’m like I can’t pay more, but he’s welcome to come too.  I’ll pay for his food, booze etc too.

Yes they had fun.  No it wasn’t an act. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

3 hours ago, DWnyc said:

No individual can determine whether something is “too” expensive - the market does a fine job of that. If supply (of what you’re offering and at what price) has insufficient demand - it’s too expensive. if on the other hand you are turning people away you’re likely underpriced and the market will welcome you raising prices and making a fine profit. 

 

Whether or not you make ends meet (and then some) has nothing to do with what a client will be willing to pay. If you have financial goals unmet with what you’re doing, you need to reevaluate those choices as many of us likely have had to do.

I’m just speaking from a general standpoint. In my case, I already know “financial goals unmet”, is moreso due to the fact that the region I’m in, isn’t very working guy supportive. There’s some decent clients here and there, but most times: it’s usually last minute bookings or guys who only book once in a blue. Or they book and then flake. Hence why I try to keep regular travel every 2 to 3 weeks as much as possible 🤦🏾‍♂️ 

I feel pricing for this biz is unpredictable across the board and doesn’t necessarily follow the same patterns. I could be charging $150 and have the same number of clients as charging $500. Only difference would be, I would be making $150 instead of $500. If someone is going to pay, they will. I have occasionally met with guys for rates lower than I normally would, and they may only come around a time or 2. Their perceived value of sex, says less than what I am capable of asking and getting.

 

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[+ BenjaminNicholas]

16 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

Like the old saying...."You don't pay an escort to come, you pay them to leave."

And then there's another old saying...

'Some of us get paid to stay.  We get paid a lot to stay.'

[pubic_assistance]

On 3/27/2024 at 7:43 AM, pubic_assistance said:

Like the old saying...."You don't pay an escort to come, you pay them to leave."

After I get off, I have no desire to hang out for the rest of the night.  So escorts should feel lucky there are some men who are lonely enough to pay for you to hang out and pretend to be having a good time rather than take another dick you don't really want to suck. 

 

[pubic_assistance]

7 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

We get paid a lot to stay.'

Yes.

As a business owner...I pay people to WORK.

An escort for the night is working mostly during sex with someone he's only pretending to be attracted to.

The rest of the performance is seemingly less complicated to act like you enjoy the client's company.  So I think the compensation at a lower hourly rate is appropriate. I agree. .. a nice dinner or the offer to accompany someone to an event is not part of the pay scale...but it does make the experience more tolerable when the client is particularly dull or disgusting.

[+ KensingtonHomo]

16 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

An escort for the night is working mostly during sex with someone he's only pretending to be attracted to.

The rest of the performance is seemingly less complicated to act like you enjoy the client's company.  So I think the compensation at a lower hourly rate is appropriate. I agree. .. a nice dinner or the offer to accompany someone to an event is not part of the pay scale...but it does make the experience more tolerable when the client is particularly dull or disgusting.

This makes me wonder how attractive or pleasant you are IRL. You seem to think if you weren't paying, the providers you engage would cross the street to avoid you.

But I think a lot of us have nice, collegial, and enjoyable conversations and time spent with providers. Do you assume everyone you hire is not attracted to you? In my experience, some guys seem genuinely attracted, and others seem to enjoy our company. We don't hire again if we don't get either of those vibes. 

But this is part and parcel of some clients' views that men are solely visually attracted and that attraction is only skin deep. Attraction is complex. In some cases, a guy who is interesting or can make me laugh becomes sexually desirable, and that's not accounting for pheromones, sexual chemistry, etc., all of which are not primarily based on appearance. 

[pubic_assistance]

5 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said:

Do you assume everyone you hire is not attracted to you?

I do if I have to PAY them. Of course, they're not attracted to me, or I wouldn't be PAYING !  Escorts are paid to pretend they like you...so you'd never know if the connection was genuine or not.

If I want really superior looking fit young guys, then I need to match the attraction or match the price.  Otherwise I'd have enough luck on Grindr to keep me satisfied.

I'm well past the days where people might clamor to get in my drawers. I'd much rather pick what I like and schedule a meet instead of spending hours digging through Grindr for the occasional hottie who likes daddies.

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grammar

[Jarrod_Uncut]

3 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

I do if I have to PAY them. Of course, they're not attracted to me, or I wouldn't be PAYING !  Escorts are paid to pretend they like you...so you'd never know if the connection was genuine or not.
 

for the occasional hottie who likes daddies.

I think you’re putting the 🛒 before the…dick lol. 
 

You’re making like the escort comes to you, and then initiates contact because a client is ugly…that’s not how it works. We are not a “we buy ugly homes” model.

What actually happens is: people hit us up and most times we have no idea what they look like besides perhaps a bit of screening on age, top/Btm preference, etc. The attraction part is icing on the cake. You think if someone who looks like Beiber opened the door, I would say: “don’t worry about paying me, you’re attractive to me!” No, Beiber would be paying just like anyone else. And sometimes those types pay even more lol.
 

For me, it’s not even about looks. The attraction for me comes in the form of how attentive and desirable they are to turning me and each other on. If they seem pleased and eager to please, that’s attractive to me. However, it’s not uncommon to come across clients who are truly just hot and I enjoy myself with them. But I’m not sleeping with them because they are ugly and I’m hot: I just know they have a need to fulfill, and discretion. 
 

Rather than do the same thing with one random guy after the next on hookup apps, I find it more purposeful in what we do. Works for me because I avoid the drama and reputation of “sleeping around”  on the small world 🌎, which are hookup apps. That’s just by default, whether the client is hot or not. 

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[marylander1940]

12 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said:

This makes me wonder how attractive or pleasant you are IRL. You seem to think if you weren't paying, the providers you engage would cross the street to avoid you.

But I think a lot of us have nice, collegial, and enjoyable conversations and time spent with providers. Do you assume everyone you hire is not attracted to you? In my experience, some guys seem genuinely attracted, and others seem to enjoy our company. We don't hire again if we don't get either of those vibes. 

But this is part and parcel of some clients' views that men are solely visually attracted and that attraction is only skin deep. Attraction is complex. In some cases, a guy who is interesting or can make me laugh becomes sexually desirable, and that's not accounting for pheromones, sexual chemistry, etc., all of which are not primarily based on appearance. 

walk across the street to avoid walking by @pubic_assistance ? 

Based on what he has shared with us we know he's in great shape and masculine. Certainly, a DILF! I think what he's trying to say is that he'd rather hire guys who are very hot by conventional standards like Instagram models, jocks, etc. 

Appearance does matter but some handsome ass holes I've met do turn me off because of their off-putting personality. 

 

[pubic_assistance]

27 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

I think what he's trying to say is that he'd rather hire guys who are very hot by conventional standards

Yes. Thank you @marylander1940. I PAY people because i accept they are better looking than me.  I acknowledge that at my age Super amazingy hot guys aren't going to let me fuck them for free. I have no need to pretend they actually like me and I just happen to be handing them cash because I had some extra in my wallet.

🤣

[Jamie21]

11 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

For me, it’s not even about looks. The attraction for me comes in the form of how attentive and desirable they are to turning me and each other on. If they seem pleased and eager to please, that’s attractive to me.

That’s it, from someone @Jarrod_Uncutwho knows. Ask most guys who do sex work and they’ll say similar. It’s got nothing to do with looks or whether the client is ‘hot’ (however that’s defined, here I’m using it conventionally as in someone most people would say is attractive) or not. 

I get hired by all sorts of guys, old, young, large, small, able bodied, disabled, hot and not hot. In most instances I don’t know until they walk the door. If they’re attracted by me (and they’ve seen my advert, my pics, read about me etc so I’m assuming there’s at least a superficial attraction otherwise they wouldn’t be here) then that’s a turn on for me. If they become more turned on during the session, by what I’m doing then that’s even more of a turn on. And so the more fun they have with me the better it is.

Absolutely nothing to do with looks. I’ve filmed porn with some of the most attractive guys in terms of looks and there’s been hardly any sexual energy…that’s hard work! It’s not what you look like it’s what you do that’s sexy.

I’ll be confident that any provider who’s done this work for any decent length of time will say the same. Client looks is irrelevant. Client behaviour is what matters.