Rates on the Rise??

[Jayse]

For whatever reason, I noticed that provider rates in SF seem to have jumped to 400/hr (let’s be honest, many providers spend only about 30-min for the hour rate if they can get away with it).  Not too long ago, the going rate hovered at about 250-300, with usually the more established providers asking for 300 or the rare “star” asking for 350 at most. Now almost everyone, even random newbies with no reviews or any good will, are demanding 400!!  This seems insane.  Most will instantly back down to 300 if u balk at that ridiculous 400 number, but personally, I dont like to haggle and suspect they will really skimp you if you do.  For these prices, it is cheaper to just head overseas!! 

What are other’s experiences of the going rates in major cities?  Anyone else notice this recent jump?

[excelntsvc]

if i hear an outrageous rate, i simply say 
"i have XXX to spend" ... let them figure it out

[ChasingGirth]

It’s about the same in ny now. Any new guys or guys that I haven’t noticed in the past respond back $400 and some up to $500. 
I’m glad the guys I started to see a while ago haven’t changed their prices at least with me. 

[DWnyc]

I never used to negotiate and now I do given the crazy rates.

And it’s rare I haven’t got the price down at least $100 (or an offer to keep the original $ but increase the time). Even if it comes after their time-consuming posturing about they know their value etc. 

I used to have more sympathy for the idea of respecting a provider’s rate once they threw it out - but I’ve learnt over time I am just a transactional counterparty out of hundreds for them so it’s time to start responding in kind. 

 

[ChasingGirth]

I usually don’t try to negotiate on the hour rate but always ask for multi hours rate. I always find that 1 hour goes ridiculously quick so I always end up booking minimum 2 hours anyways. I have been lucky for getting non clock watchers guys with the exception of a very few.  

[+ azdr0710]

we've been agonizing over this for many years......

https://www.companyofmen.org/topic/71501-300-400-now-the-norm/

 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

1 hour ago, Church magnet said:

I know, right? Don't they know inflation doesn't apply to sex workers because they're just hunks of meat that live in a cages at night when not being molested for pennies.

[+ Pensant]

I’ve seen a hottie three times in a row. His rate is $500 for two hours, but the last time he hung around for two hours after our session. I’ve been lucky recently. The only problem is that I’ve become a bit infatuated with him and I know he won’t be around forever.

As for $400 in SF and NYC, I can understand. They’re such expensive places and the per capita income can afford it. I’m not surprised.

[Pepper Young]

In my little backwater, the rate for an hour is still at $300. I hate to negotiate with these guys, but if I start getting requests for $400+, I'll just jack off and call it a day. 

[cggiy]

It's up to the service provider to determine what their time is worth. 

[TT3690]

It is a barrier to hiring most new guys when my regulars charge 250 or 300.

[maninsoma]

I get that inflation affects everyone.  I can tell you that I didn't get a 25-33% raise recently, though, so trying to rationalize an increase from $300 to $400 per hour or $400 to $500 per hour doesn't make sense.  That being said, this is a market where providers can charge whatever they want and clients can decide to hire or not.  Sadly, my recent salary increases haven't even kept pace with inflation.

[PrinceRN]

It’s okay for providers to charge what they think they are worth, just like it’s okay for a client to say “No Thank you” and find someone else within their budget.  If the going rate is too much to ask, then perhaps we need a new hobby.  LoL!!

[GeoMitch]

I would like to see rentmen (or was it rentboy back in the day) go back to listing providers' rates.  It would be so much easier than to have to ask a provider his rate, only to find out he's too expensive.  If a prospective client can't pay more than $300, it'd be so much more efficient to do a search of providers that charge $300 and under and then to be able to select one.  And honestly, it'd probably be better for high priced providers to not have to answer questions from clients that can't afford them.     

Edited February 20, 2023 by GeoMitch
poor grammar :(

[+ DrownedBoy]

I've seen a rise and fall where I live (Chicago/Midwest) between 2019 and now. The baseline then was 300 standard, a little less for newbies.

After and during the late pandemic period, escorts were asking a lot. Established ones tried for 350 and 400, and even newbies with no reviews wanted 300 (and sometimes more!).

Since late 2022, the standard seems to have returned to 300, with new escorts charging less. I found a really good new regular that way.

I can only speak from observation and casual conversation (which is no doubt guarded for financial reasons), but it appears - in my area at least - a lot fewer people are hiring, but a lot more escorts are on RM. And many escorts - even established ones - have become a _lot_ more grateful to find regular clients to provide steady income.

In my social circle (mainly Chicagoland technical and financial professionals), the current economy has meant layoffs (several friends from different companies just lost 10% of their coworkers), wage and hiring freezes, reduced benefits, and longer hours, not to mention indefinite delays for many projects and planned improvements. I've been hit by all those things, and it hasn't been fun.

Clients have less money and financial stability right now. You don't need a PhD in economics to understand what that means.

Edited February 20, 2023 by DrownedBoy

[rustyrex]

1 hour ago, GeoMitch said:

I would like to see rentmen (or was it rentboy back in the day) go back to listing providers' rates.  It would be so much easier than to have to ask a provider his rate, only to find out he's too expensive.  If a prospective client can't pay more than $300, it'd be so much more efficient to do a search of providers that charge $300 and under and then to be able to select one.  And honestly, it'd probably be better for high priced providers to not have to answer questions from clients that can't afford them.     

It would be nice for rentmen to give rates again....easier to cut thru the BullSh!t and get right to the point.

[Thelatin]

I think we are sometimes under the impression providers are jumping from job to job, generally not true.  
 

They are probably open to a lower hourly rate if it’s for more hours, and you aren’t a complete horn dog the entire time.

[+ tassojunior]

2 hours ago, Pepper Young said:

In my little backwater, the rate for an hour is still at $300. I hate to negotiate with these guys, but if I start getting requests for $400+, I'll just jack off and call it a day. 

with more than a few of the new hires that's what you'll end up doing anyway. 

[+ tassojunior]

regulars are the most important and the better guys I know try to price down a bit after 1st time to get a regular. a regular will often shower a guy with favors and extra cash (and friendship). 

but not all. to some the obvious solution to not making enough money is to raise rates, which tanks income. which causes them to raise rates again lol.  

[Milo Janus]

$300 for an hour or so is more than enough.  If I'm going to spend anymore for an hour you better bring your A-game! 

[DMICS]

This topic comes up often, especially the past 2.5 years. 

Not sure what clients are expecting when we're dealing with inflation and a recession. People expected the rates to stay the same? simple economics. I'm legitimately confused. 

[NJF]

I started meeting one of my regulars in 2013, and another one in 2016. I pay them what I feel is the fair amount:-). Both are happy so far.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

3 hours ago, tassojunior said:

regulars are the most important and the better guys I know try to price down a bit after 1st time to get a regular. a regular will often shower a guy with favors and extra cash (and friendship). 

but not all. to some the obvious solution to not making enough money is to raise rates, which tanks income. which causes them to raise rates again lol.  

From this escort perspective, not always.

For me, a longtime regular is moved into higher rates at a slower pace, but not grandfathered forever.

We choose our own rate, for better or worse.  An escort has to figure out if they can survive taking less business, but stick to a higher rate and get the people who can pay it.  That's not the model for everyone.

I will say that an escort who spends a long span of time with clients will end up spending his own money to make money.  It comes in varying forms of spend, but it's definitely there. 

It's a facet of smart business: You can't just keep taking from a client without giving something back.

 

 

Edited February 20, 2023 by BenjaminNicholas

[+ Axiom2001]

20 hours ago, Jayse said:

For whatever reason, I noticed that provider rates in SF seem to have jumped to 400/hr (let’s be honest, many providers spend only about 30-min for the hour rate if they can get away with it).  Not too long ago, the going rate hovered at about 250-300, with usually the more established providers asking for 300 or the rare “star” asking for 350 at most. Now almost everyone, even random newbies with no reviews or any good will, are demanding 400!!  This seems insane.  Most will instantly back down to 300 if u balk at that ridiculous 400 number, but personally, I dont like to haggle and suspect they will really skimp you if you do.  For these prices, it is cheaper to just head overseas!! 

What are other’s experiences of the going rates in major cities?  Anyone else notice this recent jump?

For six years now, my go-to-guy would request $250 per hour; if we were together for 1.5, his total fee would be $375.  I found these fees to have been worthwhile, for he always would give me the utmost of sexual pleasure.  

Currently, he identifies as "Straight" vs his previous "Bi Sexual" identification -- and the last two times that we've been together, I have not been completely pleased.  

For an hour he requested $300; for 1.5 he wanted $400.  I yielded to the latter but have not seen him since (my choice) and perhaps will never engage is services.

Since my last romp, I've contacted a few escorts.  An old timer (great guy and phenomenal sexual partner) only has one appointment per day to the tune of $400 for two hours.  Another (relatively newbie) requests $375 per hour and above-- depending on time.  

I was eager to see him back in November.  A month later we chatted, and in his chat he'd informed me of a fee change.  I wrote back and told him that I would "take a ring check."  Apparently, he did not understand, for he wrote back seemingly rather enthusiastic in our getting together. 

If all goes well as planned, I'm to see a guy this coming Sunday; his base fee for an hour is $350.  

Although I hesitate to fork out this sum, I will NOT mind doing it, for I've requested information from some of his previous clients. All have written rather favorably.

At Rentmen, ALL of his stars are FIVE; and his chats with me seemed to have been genuine as well.  I'm optimistic and quite excited as well but I'll see when our meeting happens.

All in all, I will be highly, highly selective while engaging in "future pleasure" in this country.

 If all goes as mentally planned, I hope Rio de Janeiro and perhaps São Paulo will definitely see me in 2024.  It's been 12 years since my last visit.

[DWnyc]

Bottom line is this is one of the most capitalist transactions out there - no price controls, regulatory body, recommended rates, collective bargaining etc. The only distortions that can allow excesses to creep in are an eye on the law and fear of exposure for some.

So rates do stabilize over time based on what the local market will tolerate - a function of supply, demand etc

I switch off at the moralizing / ethics arguments (“how do you expect providers to survive under these conditions…”) as much as I do when I hear clients speak of providers collectively as being required to do whatever they want, whenever, because they’re paying.