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Party and Play is listed as a “preference” by some providers (less than a third in my area). This came up in another thread and I began to realize that I hadn’t given it enough thought and maybe it deserves its own thread. Does it mean that the provider is tolerant of recreational drug use by his clients or actively encourages and participates? What drugs does it usually entail besides poppers, marijuana, methamphetamine, GBH and cocaine? If PNP is included as a preference in an ad, is it an automatic deal killer for you or do you rely on reviews to make that call? I haven’t yet encountered an obviously impaired provider but I may not have been paying enough attention. I recognize that not many PNP seekers are likely to chime in here but would appreciate reading the perspectives of those that know more than I do. I’m assuming that we’re all familiar with the associated risks of PNP; I’m interested in how you approach the issue. 

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1 hour ago, jmichaeliii said:

I am not into PNP but in the past I have not eliminated a provider if it was listed, but after seeing this I am now.  

I was the same way - what you do on your own time is your business.

My change came in 2025 after specific experiences with two highly rated providers in New Orleans.   

I hope they get what they need.  But I’m able to regularly observe at least one one of them on hook up apps with his “face down/ass up cum dump” posts to know meth is probably leaving him voraciously horny   

Meth is the gift that keeps on giving and triggers provider behaviors that interject risk into our interaction.   There’s plenty of awesome SOBER guys out there to not have to take that risk.

I wonder - how many of you actually look at evidence of STD testing before you hire someone?  Because, there is a strong, well-documented correlation between meth use and a 50% increased risk of HIV. So, we can say what you do on your time is your business….until you track mud on to my rug. 

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I equate PNP with drug use like meth or G.  I've never associated the term with marijuana or alcohol use.  I also associate its inclusion in an ad as an indication that the provider partakes, not just that he's open to clients who do, unless his ad has text that clearly spells that out.

A major reason for me to avoid providers who list PNP in their ads: People who use substances regularly are frequently less reliable in terms of keeping appointments.

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54 minutes ago, maninsoma said:

I equate PNP with drug use like meth or G.  I've never associated the term with marijuana or alcohol use.  I also associate its inclusion in an ad as an indication that the provider partakes, not just that he's open to clients who do, unless his ad has text that clearly spells that out.

A major reason for me to avoid providers who list PNP in their ads: People who use substances regularly are frequently less reliable in terms of keeping appointments.

Just want to second what you have written here...

My most consistent experience with provider who like to PNP is that they are susceptible to wild mood swings - one guy last week in Montreal went from a zero to 100 in terms of disposition when i declined to give him my building code prior to his arrival.

Going to be more careful going forward but glad i dodged a bullet on this one

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Question - does PNP have to work both ways?

I had an....unpleasant encounter with an escort who (without telling me ahead of time) took two doses of G (the second dose came after he got me off).

He then tried to force himself on me (I don't do anal with providers and had made that extremely clear to him). He wanted to party; I didn't but he still managed to get his tip into me before I kicked him away.

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To me PNP means no hard drugs, MJ is fine. I recently had an experience with a provider who I explicitly told this when I saw it on his profile and he said not to worry and that we don’t have to do anything.

When he got to my place, he clearly was already on something, proceeded to snort something and then take some G. I told him again I didn’t want anything like that and he said it was there to help him stay awake. I called the meeting off and he proceeded to FREAK out.

It was a very unpleasant experience. Which told him to leave he blocked me etc. But made it seem like he was gonna do something to me on his way out (I’m fine, just a bit rattled). 

I think it’s the worst I’ve experience I’ve had thus far hiring providers. 

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Haven't hired yet, but I have seen providers with PNP listed as stuff they are into but it isn't mention anywhere else in their profile. Does that mean I should avoid?  One in particular has good reviews on here.

Thanks

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15 hours ago, LuckyLechon said:

To me PNP means no hard drugs

What do YOU consider to be a "hard drug" ? Heroin ?? 

MY personal experience aligns (mostly) with the definition provided by @MikeBiDude. PNP is referring to T, G and E. 

I have,  in my youth, used each of the above during evenings of extended sex play at sex clubs,  private orgies and/or bathhouses. Crystal Meth was always my favorite, but to avoid addiction, I only used it once a year (on my birthday). 

All of these chemicals become far less fun and increasingly dangerous when consumption is on a regular basis. 

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43 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

What do YOU consider to be a "hard drug" ? Heroin ?? 

MY personal experience aligns (mostly) with the definition provided by @MikeBiDude. PNP is referring to T, G and E. 

I have,  in my youth, used each of the above during evenings of extended sex play at sex clubs,  private orgies and/or bathhouses. Crystal Meth was always my favorite, but to avoid addiction, I only used it once a year (on my birthday). 

All of these chemicals become far less fun and increasingly dangerous when consumption is on a regular basis. 

No one ever turned out well after a relationship with PNP - so your words about consumption on a regular basis could not be more true

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2 hours ago, JudgeCham said:

Haven't hired yet, but I have seen providers with PNP listed as stuff they are into but it isn't mention anywhere else in their profile. Does that mean I should avoid?  One in particular has good reviews on here.

Thanks

If you read closely to all the comments from providers and clients on this thread, that should help you make a wise and safe decision, before you hire someone, even with good reviews on CoM. Please DON’T hire any provider that lists PNP on their RM profile. You have been warned by all of the guys on this thread. Who are far more experienced and knowledgeable than I am. 

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Ahhhhh.... PNP.  

People hate "drugs" but what is a drug, really? 

1. Adderall
2. Heroin
3. Caffeine
4. Aspirin
5. Sugar
6. Alcohol
7. Meth
8. Weed
9. GHB
10. Insulin/Peptides/Injections/TRT/Hormones

Those are just ten. Many are prescribed. Many are available at the corner store for a few dollars. Many laws in many countries consider many different variables. Many countries will put you in jail for having a substance in your body that is legal in another country.

I HATE HATE HATE when anyone, in any circumstance uses the word "drugs" under the connotation they are bad. EIGHT BILLION PEOPLE ON THIS EARTH PUTS A DRUG IN THEIR BODY EVERY DAMNED DAY.

Except for the vegan Buddist monks in Nepal or those fucking Mormons and their 14 wives -- but who are we kidding? The Mormons are just good liars. Those monks are str8 legit.

Did you see the case of a dude from the USA who smoked weed every day, stopped before his flight, got on an airplane, got off in Egypt or Saudi Arabia, fell down, broke his arm at the airport, was taken to the hospital, then jailed because he had "drugs" in his system? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/dubai-cannabis-urine-drugs-legal-b1830227.html

Let's assume this discussion is USA-focused.

I LOVE DRUGS!!!

I use each drug as a tool to enhance my life or experience what I want in any given moment. Adderall to focus on work and be a high performer. Coffee to wake up in the morning. Sugar because well, sugar. Alcohol to socialize. MDMA/GHB/Cocaine to rip lines and party with my friends all night and off the charts crazy good sex.

I do stay away from any injectable recreational drug like heroin that isn't explicitly used because I need it to live, or any of the highly highly addictive recreational ones like crystal meth. Then again alcohol is a highly highly addictive recreational one and that's sold freely and celebrated, and destroys more lives and kills more people than all of them combined, so who are we kidding?

PNP. PnP. Drugs. Yea.... interesting discussion. 

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13 hours ago, SportBud7 said:

I HATE HATE HATE when anyone, in any circumstance uses the word "drugs" under the connotation they are bad. EIGHT BILLION PEOPLE ON THIS EARTH PUTS A DRUG IN THEIR BODY EVERY DAMNED DAY.

I think when people, especially people here, refer to "drugs" as bad we're talking about the big offenders of badness: Meth, GHB, fent/morphine/opiods like cocaine. These are the ones that'll most likely cause sudden erratic behavior. Alcohol takes time, weed doesn't, aspirin??caffeine? nobody is referring to those.

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Well guys, it’s time I confessed what I thought PNP meant, when I first started looking at RM accounts. Never thinking that HARD drug use would be displayed on a well reviewed escort’s profile…..PNP must mean PENETRATION with NO PROTECTION. Until I noticed very quickly that some of these providers also had safe sex only or no bare backing on their profiles. Then when I googled PNP and WOW was I embarrassed and humiliated! 
 

Guys….Feel free let me have it!!!Snark and insults are welcome!! I don’t take myself seriously and have a good sense of humor! LOL

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When you're thinking about hiring a provider and you see PNP in his description, there is no doubt: In that context, it absolutely positively means one thing and one thing only: Chem sex that is based around the use of crystal meth and can include other chemical substances. Unless you're already a user, it's a terrible way to throw away your money. The PNP'er may be charming at first, but he is invariably going to turn out to be selfish, self-centered, and self-destructive--and 100% toxic. The only thing to do to protect your wallet and your sanity and your physical and mental health: STAY AWAY.

If he claims that it means that he doesn't do Tina himself, but he doesn't mind if others do, stay even further away. He's bad news and he's only going to turn out to be even worse news for you.

And if by any chance he doesn't know that PNP=Tina in the gay world, then he's too naive to be in this line of work and would undoubtedly be a lousy lay.

And if anyone is triggered by what I just wrote, feel free to call the CMA Helpline at: (855) METH-FREE  (855) 638-4373

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No way on the pnp! It is bad energy from the get go. The guys are unreliable and when they do show up, you don't know what you are getting. It may feel great to do and make you feel like you are a sexy mighty man for a while, but you look a mess, girl. It also destroyed one of my long-term relationships many moons ago. 

Cannabis, poppers, and alcohol (within reason) are fine.

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