Win asked 2 pay upon arrival

[likembbbig]

I tell the truth. 

Every time I've done that I've been ripped off. So now you have made me extremely nervous and that's not a good start. And it makes me wonder if you are just like them. So unless you want to convince me otherwise...

Leave if incall.

Tell them I'll give them something at the door to cover their time & expense.

And

Btw, if you don't like that, it's proof I owe you nothing.

Optionally, you owe me for wasting my time. 

 

 

 

 

[+ glutes]

If they are a MUF'r, leave.

[viewing ownly]

By ripped off, do you mean that they take your money without doing business with you, or just give a terribly sub-par experience? Big difference. 

As a first time client, I feel it's nothing short of unconscionable to NOT donate for their time right off the bat, regardless of whether they require that or not in order to show them I AM legit and won't stiff them. Far too many people get victimized, which is awful. I don't feel a need to do that if I'm a return client unless that is what they prefer, as I've established trust, regardless of how much time may have gone by between visits. I don't forget someone worth seeing again!

 

[soloyo215]

7 hours ago, viewing ownly said:

By ripped off, do you mean that they take your money without doing business with you, or just give a terribly sub-par experience? Big difference. 

As a first time client, I feel it's nothing short of unconscionable to NOT donate for their time right off the bat, regardless of whether they require that or not in order to show them I AM legit and won't stiff them. Far too many people get victimized, which is awful. I don't feel a need to do that if I'm a return client unless that is what they prefer, as I've established trust, regardless of how much time may have gone by between visits. I don't forget someone worth seeing again!

 

I agree that there are differences, but at the end, even with those differences, bottom line the client does not get what he expected was paying for. I think that the most important thing is the unsatisfactory experience. I do not pay up-front, period, even when I'm a return client.

So far, it has worked for me, and yes, the one or two times I paid up-front I got ripped off.

[viewing ownly]

I am sorry that happened to you, Soloyo, as that would certainly lead one to believe that a horrible time is to be had if up-front payment is required by all providers, which of course isn't true. I had a angering stretch of 3 consecutive no-shows for appointments with 3 different people. If this were the first 3 times I'd tried to arrange an appointment, I likely would give up and assume that everyone is a scam artist to waste my time. 

I'll never donate in full ahead of time (as in received prior to my arrival) again, period. Getting burned like that is the worst. There are guys on this forum who have seen this turkey, but look really attractive and don't have to donate for that experience. If only we all looked like Greek Gods and STDs weren't a thing. 

[Act25]

I have been hiring for roughly 20 years.  I have never paid upfront.  I had one provider tell me he wanted to be paid upfront and I told him we wouldn't be meeting if that was his policy.  We compromised on me showing him upon arrival that I did have the money.  IIRC I had one other provider who wanted to see the money upon arrival.  If I remember to, for first-time appointments,  I will leave an envelope visible.  Typically, it's pre-counted in pocket and I slip it into their hand while sharing a goodbye kiss.  I've had outcalls in my home, my hotel room and incalls in homes and hotel rooms.  

[Your Man in Arlington]

I've had 3 guys ask for their donation at the beginning of a meeting; and, I gave it to all three, since it would not be the end of the world for me if I wasn't satisfied.

Two were less experienced guys, who I think were genuinely nervous about being ripped off. They did everything agreed to and were a enjoyable enough experience, but not repeats, probably because of their inexperience. The third was more experienced, had a "My Own Private Idaho" suburbs-gone-street-trade vibe, did everything we agreed and more... had a great time with him and would think about a repeat if I was in the same city.

In all three cases, I felt that the request came from their sense of vulnerability in the situation and not from a desire or plan to rip me off.

I get it. When I was their age and working as a provider, I was ripped off by one client: at the end of the session he informed me he didn't have cash and proceeded to write me a check from a closed bank account. Fortunately for me, it was a low effort encounter and I just wrote it off as bad experience. 🤷‍♂️

[+ APPLE1]

I will confess that there' is one regular that I pay upfront, but it's more for his discretion requirements. Per his request, I only text him things like "are you available tonight at 7?" Then when I arrive, he sees how much cash I put on the table, and he knows what I want for that session.

BUT, the tip depends on his performance, and that is left on the table as I leave.

 

Edited June 6, 2024 by APPLE1

[Walt]

1 hour ago, APPLE1 said:

he sees how much cash I put on the table, and he knows what I want for that session.

You could also have hand signals, like the catcher and pitcher in baseball signalling what they want to do in the locker room after the game is over. Or wear different colored bandanas. Vive la discretion!

[Lohengrin1979]

18 hours ago, Walt said:

You could also have hand signals, like the catcher and pitcher in baseball signalling what they want to do in the locker room after the game is over. Or wear different colored bandanas. Vive la discretion!

Why stop there? Let the clothes speak for themselves.

casual attire = BFE experience

formal attire = missionary

athletic attire = flip session

velvet smoking jacket = BDSM

The options are endless. 

[jeezifonly]

1 hour ago, Lohengrin1979 said:

Why stop there? Let the clothes speak for themselves.

casual attire = BFE experience

formal attire = missionary

athletic attire = flip session

velvet smoking jacket = BDSM

The options are endless. 

I took the risk once of showing up wearing feathers, he said I looked like a Muppet, and shoved his hand up my ass. 
 

Would repeat.

[DunwoodyGuy]

Never pay up front. If asked to do so, turn around and walk out the door. Briskly. Do not turn back, even if asked. 

[Enzo Falcone]

So this is a really interesting topic. This month marks my first year as a provider. 

When I first started, I had a mentor who has been doing this for much longer. He told me flat out “always get paid up front”. It’s something I followed religiously at first. Some clients would mention they never pay up front, but I stuck to what I was taught. 

Over time, I began to change my approach. I place a lot of importance in messaging my client before meeting and getting a sense of what he’s looking for. It gives me a better understanding of who I will have in front of me. 95% of the time, my clients are happy to connect with me in this way. Upon meeting, I never talk money. They pay at the end, and I don’t even count it in front of them unless they insist that I do. I’ve never run into a problem (so far)  

A few key points that help me understand why I was suggested to always get paid up front: The escort providing insight is an active meth user and pretty much only has other clients who have last minute requests and are often using as well (I used to be but have since been in recovery). Meeting up with clients at night and often for party type moments possibly means he encountered more who were unable to pay at the end.

In my case, I truly go with my intuition. I sometimes have clients who will message me with one word questions or answers. “How much? Free now? You f*ck good?” When I feel that what the potential client is looking for something that is purely transactional in nature, I treat it as a transaction. But if the client is engaging with me, then I never ask to be paid up front. 

I should also say that I’m in the habit of reconfirming all the details with someone before meeting. Say we discussed a few details over several messages. My last message will be “ok so just to confirm, tomorrow at my place a 3pm for two hours and for $____ paid (specified how). Is that correct?” Doing that eliminated the “oh I misunderstood”

Incorporating all of these elements together in a way filters out the dishonest clients. It’s easier to cheat someone if you don’t see them as a person, and don’t see beyond your basic needs (this is true for both clients and providers). 

I’d love to hear back from others to see what their take is on all this!

[+ keroscenefire]

 

As a client, I don't mind paying upfront as I meet the client. It's more on him if he will provide a great service or not. If not, then I know not to ever rehire him. In my experience, I've had great times paying upfront and mediocre times. It didn't really change anything. 

[+ keroscenefire]

On 6/9/2024 at 4:50 PM, Enzo Falcone said:

So this is a really interesting topic. This month marks my first year as a provider.

Welcome to CoM and congrats on one year! Definitely a hot profile and sound like you got a good head on your shoulders. Best of success!

[+ azdr0710]

when meeting somebody new, part of my pre-meet communication includes polite declarations  1) that I'll pay at the end  2) that I don't want to talk money during the meet and  3) that I'm an honest person......I then ask if all this is ok with them......

[Medin]

Paying before services rendered?  We don't do that for any other services so why would anyone do that in this situation?  I don't pay my barber before he cuts my hair, I don't pay the kid down the street before he cuts my lawn and I don't tip a server in a restaurant before I've finished my meal.    Over the years, I've probably had three guys ask for payment up front which I refused and the session continued as planned.  Of all the industries, this is the one where people want to pay in advance?   

[Trick]

I’ve been seeing this topic for a long time but it’s only today that I got the title. I thought all the while that “Win” was a MUFer.