Rick M Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 (edited) I don't want to sound unfair or damning by categorization, but a recent experience leads me to revisit the subject of my sexual compatibility with guys who call themselves straight vs. bi vs. gay. First of all, my own encounters have forced me to conclude that straight men cannot pull off a convincing scene with gay men--it's a wasted effort when they try to emulate a level of intimacy greater than posing, looking pretty, or getting their cocks sucked. A real difficulty arises in judging bisexuals... Unless one has done the deed with a bi individual, one can't predict how rewarding a fuck will be. The data I've accumulated suggests a flake rate of roughly 50%. Sure, there are gay providers who are flaky (unreliable, not in the moment), but I get the sense from them that they are having a bad day, or they are fried from drugs. Half the bi guys I've met exhibit deep-seated, perpetual wishy-washiness: they want your money, but can't bring themselves to put in the grunt work to earn it. Latest example: a simple request for phone sex. The provider set up a time, then canceled. Renegotiated, then postponed over and over. Came up with excuses involving his dog or muddling his massage appointments. I had to give up on him. There are hints in his RM profile and related media that he is more of a ladies' man, anyway. Therefore, in the future I will be scrutinizing and (if I can) screening any prospective escort, for either a physical or virtual engagement, who lists that nebulous middle ground as his orientation. My sincere apologies to any dualists reading this who take pride in satisfying their own sex. Edited May 12 by Rick M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trick Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 My experience with those who advertise as bisexual is that most of them are hesitant with the kissing. Just an observation, not a generalization. marylander1940 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortCutie7 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 (edited) As a 100% gay guy, I must say that the most passionate kisser I have ever been with (and in my top three for best chemistry in general) was a bi guy. ETA: he was not a provider. Edited May 12 by ShortCutie7 + Pensant, MikeBiDude, pubic_assistance and 3 others 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbar123 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Sounds like you are a victim of sampling error. I’ve met plenty of gay guys who suck at kissing…and plenty of bi guys who were definitely up to code + APPLE1, thomas, + Pensant and 11 others 3 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ FrankR Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 1 hour ago, Rick M said: I don't want to sound unfair or damning by categorization, but a recent experience leads me to revisit the subject of my sexual compatibility with guys who call themselves straight vs. bi vs. gay. First of all, my own encounters have forced me to conclude that straight men cannot pull off a convincing scene with gay men--it's a wasted effort when they try to emulate a level of intimacy greater than posing, looking pretty, or getting their cocks sucked. A real difficulty arises in judging bisexuals... Unless one has done the deed with a bi individual, one can't predict how rewarding a fuck will be. The data I've accumulated suggests a flake rate of roughly 50%. Sure, there are gay providers who are flaky (unreliable, not in the moment), but I get the sense from them that they are having a bad day, or they are fried from drugs. Half the bi guys I've met exhibit deep-seated, perpetual wishy-washiness: they want your money, but can't bring themselves to put in the grunt work to earn it. Latest example: a simple request for phone sex. The provider set up a time, then canceled. Renegotiated, then postponed over and over. Came up with excuses involving his dog or muddling his massage appointments. I had to give up on him. There are hints in his RM profile and related media that he is more of a ladies' man, anyway. Therefore, in the future I will be scrutinizing and (if I can) screening any prospective escort, for either a physical or virtual engagement, who lists that nebulous middle ground as his orientation. My sincere apologies to any dualists reading this who take pride in satisfying their own sex. I suspect your sample size it too small. liubit, 56harrisond, + Pensant and 5 others 3 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Man in Arlington Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 So far, I've only met with 2 guys who identified as bi in their profile, and both were very into kissing as well as everything else we did. 🤷♂️ rvwnsd, + Vegas_Millennial and MikeBiDude 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ KensingtonHomo Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 One of my current favorite providers is bi. We've had no issues with him being passionate or kissing. I do think you run a bigger risk with bi guys having more limits than a gay guy, but I also agree with others that perhaps you've been unlucky. MikeBiDude and Your Man in Arlington 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ sniper Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 (edited) My experience has been that for actual fun, bi guys are the best of the three. They often have a gf/wife so time with guys is strictly playtime and/or they are better able to view it as a job and fake it relatively convincingly . Totally straight guys(more specifically the Kinsey Scale 0.5s and less who "round down") tend to be cold fish unless they happen to have a fetish for my body type). But I think phone sex is something that is likely to be extremely hit or miss. A lot of people are more self consciious about verbalizing than doing. Edited May 12 by sniper Your Man in Arlington, + Pensant and MikeBiDude 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanfetish Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 I'm always weary about bi guys when it comes to hiring. In my experience, it has been more "gay for pay" (bi for pay? lol) and I want someone who actually likes sex with guys. I would probably only hire a bi guy if he has good reviews over a lengthy time period (not just 3 reviews in 1 week). Outside of hiring, wouldn't think twice. If we're going to hook up and no money is involved, there's no issue. Danny-Darko and + KensingtonHomo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie21 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 I think it’s strange that some commentators view bi as being ‘not really into guys’ or somehow ‘gay lite’. I’m bi and I love playing with guys, including kissing and all sorts of activities (I’m vers) that some seem to think of as gay only. I also love playing with females, indeed even better is playing with both at same time. I don’t regard one as better or more fun than the other, they’re just different. If the person or persons I’m with are relaxed about sex and open minded then it’s always a great session. I agree that if you come across a guy who describes himself as bi but who lists fairly vanilla activities with guys that he won’t do then that’s probably a signal that he is probably more straight but there’s also gay providers who won’t kiss for example, so orientation is not a good predictor I think. I think it’s best to not put too much interpretation on how a guy describes himself and look more at what he will do and other signs about whether he’s doing the work because he genuinely enjoys it or is he doing it because he has to. The former should be the providers you prioritise, regardless of their stated sexual orientation. big-n-tall, maninsoma, + Pensant and 6 others 3 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmichaeliii Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 1 minute ago, Jamie21 said: I think it’s strange that some commentators view bi as being ‘not really into guys’ or somehow ‘gay lite’. I’m bi and I love playing with guys, including kissing and all sorts of activities (I’m vers) that some seem to think of as gay only. I also love playing with females, indeed even better is playing with both at same time. I don’t regard one as better or more fun than the other, they’re just different. If the person or persons I’m with are relaxed about sex and open minded then it’s always a great session. I agree that if you come across a guy who describes himself as bi but who lists fairly vanilla activities with guys that he won’t do then that’s probably a signal that he is probably more straight but there’s also gay providers who won’t kiss for example, so orientation is not a good predictor I think. I think it’s best to not put too much interpretation on how a guy describes himself and look more at what he will do and other signs about whether he’s doing the work because he genuinely enjoys it or is he doing it because he has to. The former should be the providers you prioritise, regardless of their stated sexual orientation. Agreed. I'm Bi and I enjoy nearly everything in a session with a guy who is relaxed and wants to have fun. Good vibes and friendliness really help to make a session fun. Your Man in Arlington, Jamie21, + Vegas_Millennial and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ DrownedBoy Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 3 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said: One of my current favorite providers is bi. We've had no issues with him being passionate or kissing. I do think you run a bigger risk with bi guys having more limits than a gay guy, but I also agree with others that perhaps you've been unlucky. Ditto. Also - a question for providers - is it common to list yourself as bi even if you're almost completely gay? I've met a lot of people (both in the real world and RM) who seem to do that. I'm guessing it signals more masculinity, DWnyc, + KensingtonHomo and peter831 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmichaeliii Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 7 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said: Ditto. Also - a question for providers - is it common to list yourself as bi even if you're almost completely gay? I've met a lot of people (both in the real world and RM) who seem to do that. I'm guessing it signals more masculinity, I chuckle a little on that one. My number one that I see is gay, but he is as masculine as they come. I will also add that he provides the hottest sessions and is an amazing kisser. He almost sucks out my tonsils! So maybe there is something to the bi thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick M Posted May 12 Author Share Posted May 12 34 minutes ago, jmichaeliii said: I chuckle a little on that one. My number one that I see is gay, but he is as masculine as they come. I will also add that he provides the hottest sessions and is an amazing kisser. He almost sucks out my tonsils! So maybe there is something to the bi thing! Ok, y'all have focused on kissing, but kissing is a dicey proposition in all 3 categories. (My ex, who is as gay as they come, abhorred kissing and refused any lip proximity.) I'm talking about being "into" male-male sex in general, or at least play-acting the part so well it doesn't make a difference. Danny-Darko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ JamesB Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 I must admit that I don't particularly care or pay much attention if a provider describes themselves as Bi or gay. However, if they label themselves as straight, then I'm not interested. I can't recall having had a genuinely good encounter with someone who identified as straight. dbar123, + Pensant and peter831 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJF Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 2 hours ago, DrownedBoy said: Ditto. Also - a question for providers - is it common to list yourself as bi even if you're almost completely gay? I've met a lot of people (both in the real world and RM) who seem to do that. I'm guessing it signals more masculinity, I knew several providers who claimed as bi but never had intimacy with a girl 😂 + APPLE1, + Pensant, + KensingtonHomo and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ Vegas_Millennial Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 (edited) One of my regular hires in Puerto Vallarta is bisexual. I asked him if he had sex with men or women more, and which one he prefers.. He said he really really prefers ass over pussy, but female ass over male ass. But very few females will let him fuck them in the ass. So, he has sex with men to get ass, and therefore about 90/10 men/women ratio of sexual partners. Edited May 13 by Vegas_Millennial + Pensant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ DrownedBoy Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 On 5/12/2024 at 1:32 PM, NJF said: I knew several providers who claimed as bi but never had intimacy with a girl 😂 Now that's the type of bi I was thinking of 😄 + APPLE1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soloyo215 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 On 5/11/2024 at 9:39 PM, Rick M said: I don't want to sound unfair or damning by categorization, but a recent experience leads me to revisit the subject of my sexual compatibility with guys who call themselves straight vs. bi vs. gay. First of all, my own encounters have forced me to conclude that straight men cannot pull off a convincing scene with gay men--it's a wasted effort when they try to emulate a level of intimacy greater than posing, looking pretty, or getting their cocks sucked. A real difficulty arises in judging bisexuals... Unless one has done the deed with a bi individual, one can't predict how rewarding a fuck will be. The data I've accumulated suggests a flake rate of roughly 50%. Sure, there are gay providers who are flaky (unreliable, not in the moment), but I get the sense from them that they are having a bad day, or they are fried from drugs. Half the bi guys I've met exhibit deep-seated, perpetual wishy-washiness: they want your money, but can't bring themselves to put in the grunt work to earn it. Latest example: a simple request for phone sex. The provider set up a time, then canceled. Renegotiated, then postponed over and over. Came up with excuses involving his dog or muddling his massage appointments. I had to give up on him. There are hints in his RM profile and related media that he is more of a ladies' man, anyway. Therefore, in the future I will be scrutinizing and (if I can) screening any prospective escort, for either a physical or virtual engagement, who lists that nebulous middle ground as his orientation. My sincere apologies to any dualists reading this who take pride in satisfying their own sex. The first thing that came to mind was "No shit!" I try to be sensitive, but in my experience there are very few bisexuals who really enjoy sex with both genders. There are many who use it as a way of doing precisely what you describe and attribute it to their sexual orientation, which to me sounds more like an excuse for them to make money doing the minimum, or to disassociate from what they are actually doing. Others just use it as a marketing strategy, stemming from the premise that bi and straight are supposed to be more desirable and consequently bring more business. I honestly thing that we should always try to be thorough when we see a profile that we like. I personally try not to be blinded by the things I like reading about and ignore the ones that might be red flags or signs of possible dissatisfaction down the line. That scrutiny should be with all people we see as potential hirings. I'd think is other than sexual orientation, there's more that those providers have in common. That will give me a better picture of what I tend to gravitate towards. Of course, easier said than done when you see a profile of a person who looks really nice. I find your post interesting. Thanks for sharing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) On 5/12/2024 at 9:32 AM, urbanfetish said: Im always weary about bi guys when it comes to hiring. In my experience, it has been more "gay for pay" (bi for pay? lol) and I want someone who actually likes sex with guys. Bisexuals like sex with guys. That's the DEFINITION of bisexual. Don't mistake gay4pay for "bisexual". Edited May 14 by pubic_assistance grammar rvwnsd, Danny-Darko, + Pensant and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ KensingtonHomo Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 10 hours ago, pubic_assistance said: Bisexuals like sex with guys. That's the DEFINITION of bisexual. Don't mistake gay4pay for "bisexual". I agree. And I've been with many true bi or even pansexuals. But I think some providers who are Kinsey 1 or 2s advertise themselves as "bi" and then don't want to go "whole hog." That then makes some guys feel like "bi guys are phonies." MikeBiDude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 4 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said: I think some providers who are Kinsey 1 or 2s advertise themselves as "bi" and then don't want to go "whole hog. Let's not forget that some providers really shouldn't BE providers. They don't want to "go the whole hog" because they can't get it up for a fat hog. It takes a special kind of guy to be able to fuck an ugly guy and still keep his dick hard. Danny-Darko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinbrooklyn Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Most of my girlfriends are tougher than any guy. I just can’t tolerate drama, regardless of what is or is not dangling just below their abdomen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanfetish Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 21 hours ago, pubic_assistance said: Bisexuals like sex with guys. That's the DEFINITION of bisexual. Don't mistake gay4pay for "bisexual". Sensitive much? I think I was pretty clear that my experience with providers who CLAIM to be bi has turned out to be more gay4pay and therefore lacked in the enthusiasm required for the job. I'm not "mistaking" gay4pay for bisexual. I'm saying the providers in my experience have left a lot to be desired in their claims to be into men or gay sex in general. Outside of hiring, bi is not an issue. + APPLE1 and pubic_assistance 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 37 minutes ago, urbanfetish said: Sensitive much? I think I was pretty clear that my experience with providers who CLAIM to be bi has turned out to be more gay4pay No. The way you worded your post did NOT make that clear. You said you were tired of bisexuals because they are just gay for play and don't actually like sex with guys. You seem to have a strange understanding of the word bisexual. EastbayMike, MikeBiDude and + DrownedBoy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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