What a potential clients looks for in a provider's ad

[ICTJOCK]

I realize every client has their own unique things they favor in a provider's ad.   Attitude,  photos,   so many different things.      What I would like to ask all potential clients out there  are your own generic  "likes"  in an ad and those you consider real mistakes.

I've heard too many photos are not helpful and they need to be changed occasionally.    Clearly an articulate ,  well written ad  would be basic.

Thoughts?

[+ Just Sayin]

it's great to see face photos as well as body photos; for me, the face tells me a lot about the provider and whether I want to spend time with him; text should be informative but not so much that it's a chore to read!

[+ DrownedBoy]

If the provider is Latino, I pay attention to the grammar and word use in the ad. Bad grammar = probably doesn't speak English well.

[+ DynamicUno]

1. Photos that are reasonably recent and show enough of the provider's assets (especially if they are claiming to be especially gifted)

2. A well filled out profile that indicates what they are (or are not) into (kissing, bfe, body worship, kinks, etc) , and if they don't have particular problems with age or body shape.

3. Preferences for how to contact (i.e. text or call, days or times they aren't available, etc)

Make it easy for me to understand what you have to offer and make it easy for me to hire if I contact.

 

[big-n-tall]

Some idea of the providers personality in the ad copy. Some people just write some really basic stuff. Others are witty or even comical.

Up to date pics preferably with full body shots and a mix of candid and professional pics. I know some guys use only professional shots where they are all ripped and glistening. It’s not impossible but that look isn’t easy to sustain year round. So having candid shots can give you an idea of how they appear in non-contest shape or every day look.

That they include their intos. I’ve seen ads with none at all or very little. Personally if they list kissing, bear, and exclude pnp… I’m more prone to give strong consideration to that person.

[+ The Big Guy]

In the ad I like to see that they are open to all ages.

[+ ThroatCummer]

For me it's reviews. They have to have 4.8 or higher and 10+ reviews. That tells me everything. We like to say that it doesn't matter but it's proven across every industry (Yelp, Amazon, Uber) that they DO count and they DO matter. 

[SometimesBi]

If he's a top, he better show his dick. It's that simple. 

I'm a bottom, so when I hire, I want to see how big he is... and sometimes more importantly, how not-so-big he is. I prefer the more average sized tops. I don't want a top that hurts, I want a top that will feel good inside. 

Now, for the rest of the ad ... rates, rates, and rates. I dislike contacting a provider, only to learn the rates are not within my budget. It wastes both our time.

Also, I want to know that you DON'T SMOKE, and DON'T DO DRUGS. 

Finally, tell if you are on PrEP. Or if you are Undetectable. Indeed, I'm leaning more to U==U guys, because they have to monitor themselves so much, I'd be very comfortable with them. 

[CuriousByNature]

22 hours ago, SometimesBi said:

Finally, tell if you are on PrEP. Or if you are Undetectable. Indeed, I'm leaning more to U==U guys, because they have to monitor themselves so much, I'd be very comfortable with them. 

I know it has been mentioned frequently in other threads, and this comment is not to refute or challenge your post/opinion in any way, but there is a risk in assuming that a provider's written status is accurate.  But I get your point

[SometimesBi]

22 hours ago, CuriousByNature said:

I know it has been mentioned frequently in other threads, and this comment is not to refute or challenge your post/opinion in any way, but there is a risk in assuming that a provider's written status is accurate.  But I get your point

I suppose that is a valid concern. However, I would think if a provider was going to lie about that, that they would lie saying they are on PrEP. 

Lying about U==U would probably be counter productive. While educated guys understand HIV can't be transmitted when undetectable, I'm sure there are plenty of potential clients that don't, and would still steer clear of such providers. 

So IMHO a provider revealing U==U status it likely more truthful than others. 

[marylander1940]

On 8/19/2023 at 9:11 AM, DrownedBoy said:

If the provider is Latino, I pay attention to the grammar and word use in the ad. Bad grammar = probably doesn't speak English well.

Maybe he's a foreigner. He can always ask an American friend to correct his ad and still have a strong accent in person.

Does bad grammar only apply to Latino? 

On 8/20/2023 at 7:45 AM, ThroatCummer said:

For me it's reviews. They have to have 4.8 or higher and 10+ reviews. That tells me everything. We like to say that it doesn't matter but it's proven across every industry (Yelp, Amazon, Uber) that they DO count and they DO matter. 

I'll keep you in mind next time someone complains about RM reviews.

Back to subject what I look in an ad is a combination between pictures, description and general attitude. 

 

[Guest]

On 8/19/2023 at 9:11 AM, DrownedBoy said:

If the provider is Latino, I pay attention to the grammar and word use in the ad. Bad grammar = probably doesn't speak English well.

That, and he's never heard of Google Translate! 😄 But, seriously as long as one can get one's point across, why in Hell would one care about the quality of his grammar? As for myself, I look for signs of friendliness. I like it if the person says he's a good kisser. Like a lot of other gay guys, I get turned on by armpits, so at least one armpit shot is helpful (prefer unshaved). Any display of a middle finger is a turn-off, as would any other sign of a bad attitude. (As an aside, I have no idea why those whose foreign language skills are weak don't use google translate. It's easy as fuck to use, and it's completely free, for crying out loud.)

[Medin]

On 8/19/2023 at 9:57 AM, ICTJOCK said:

I realize every client has their own unique things they favor in a provider's ad.   Attitude,  photos,   so many different things.      What I would like to ask all potential clients out there  are your own generic  "likes"  in an ad and those you consider real mistakes.

I've heard too many photos are not helpful and they need to be changed occasionally.    Clearly an articulate ,  well written ad  would be basic.

Thoughts?

Poor, grainy pics are usually the first clue the provider is a scammer.  Nowadays any cell phone takes excellent pics so poor quality photos is usually a bad sign.  I then look at the reviews.  If they have been an active provider for years but have no reviews, another red flag.  Ever changing travel dates and locations is usually another.   Unless someone has a travel pass, how likely is it that the provider decides every morning where he is going to travel and purchase tickets that same day?  Lying is a big one.  A lot of us clients talk to each other.  When four of us ask a provider about a particular service, their availability, rates and so forth and get four different answers (very common unfortunately), I immediately take them out of the running.   If they are so apt to lie to potential clients, just think of what they'll be like if you actually meet them.  Hopefully this is helpful and will be useful if/when you rewrite your ad.  

[ICTJOCK]

18 minutes ago, Medin said:

Poor, grainy pics are usually the first clue the provider is a scammer.  Nowadays any cell phone takes excellent pics so poor quality photos is usually a bad sign.  I then look at the reviews.  If they have been an active provider for years but have no reviews, another red flag.  Ever changing travel dates and locations is usually another.   Unless someone has a travel pass, how likely is it that the provider decides every morning where he is going to travel and purchase tickets that same day?  Lying is a big one.  A lot of us clients talk to each other.  When four of us ask a provider about a particular service, their availability, rates and so forth and get four different answers (very common unfortunately), I immediately take them out of the running.   If they are so apt to lie to potential clients, just think of what they'll be like if you actually meet them.  Hopefully this is helpful and will be useful if/when you rewrite your ad.  

Fortunately most of my photos are excellent and don’t anyone who employed the tactics you suggested, but I’ll be sure to be ever diligent with so called “clients” who clearly are unbalanced.

[MaybeMaybeNot]

If you welcome all body types and ages would be good to know.  

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

I want to know that bareback is an option, prefer no tattoos or signs of steroids (acne back) and would like to see 3-10 pictures.  There needs to be at least one full body naked picture, but I understand the need to not show face pictures in today's technological environment.

[jeezifonly]

Accurate photos.

A sense of humor. 

A better descriptor of location (I never host) that is more specific than “LA” or “WEHO”. Urban sprawl demands at least an intersection name or landmark. 

[Lucius5]

Recent photos are always good, within the last year at least! Preferably some 'real' ones included as opposed to just studio shots. Face pics are nice but if not, its good to know if the provider is happy to send one if they feel you're serious about booking

Rates are welcome so I'm not wasting the provider's time

This last one's difficult to quantify but if the description manages to convey that he's a 'nice guy' with a good sense of humour, then I'm there! 

 

[+ bashful]

I'm older and wider, so if it doesn't say bears and daddy, in addition kissing, oral, and rimming, I hesitate in making contact. 

Top, bottom, not as important as a BFE.

Edited August 29, 2023 by bashful

[dbar123]

It’s always nice to get an accurate dick length but I love it when the escort also gives an accurate measurement of girth as well. Words like “thick” and “hung” should be avoided since they’re not helpful.

It’s always nice when at least a few pics are not just selfies in a mirror. I also love it when a provider talks briefly about any unique hobbies or interests they have.

As others have mentioned, the number and quality of reviews are critical. I give extra points for guys who also do massage

A really hot video also helps

[Decatur Guy]

I see these as the building blocks of a good ad, though these are flexible suggestions depending on the provider and what kind of clients he wishes to attract (mostly geared to RentMen):

PHOTOS: I'd say around 12 to 18 ideally. Make each picture count. Suggested breakdown:

Face (if you're willing to put your face out there at all): 3 pics, with at least one smiling.
Clothes shots: 4 pics, ideally one or two really nice clothes. A must if you're courting really high-end clients. Then a couple in casual wear.
Shirtless: 1 or 2 shirtless shots with just shorts or underwear
Tourist/outdoors: 1 or 2 shots in an outdoor/natural/tourist setting
Underwear: 1 to 3 HOT underwear pics that give a hint but keep mystery
Nudes: 6 or so nudes. Emphasize dick if a top or top/vers. Ass if bottom or bottom/vers. Equal amount if both. But even tops should give a butt shot or two. And reverse for bottoms.

Rotate new pics in every 9 to 18 months. I'm OK with seeing a few pics from three or four years ago, but most of them should be relatively recent. Some pro/studio work is fine, but I'd like to see a few amateur ones, too. Don't do 100% selfies. Get someone to take some for you even if you don't get a pro. Some clients might be glad to help with that.

VIDEO: Always nice if you have a few. It's always good to see a top in top action or a bottom in bottom action or a verse in both, if they're available. Very few people do this -- I guess for privacy reason -- but a one-minute intro voice video is a huge seller for me. But I realize that isn't a big thing for a variety of reasons.

TEXT OF AD: Ideally, it's at least 150 words. These really short ones don't work well. Even if reading between the lines, possible clients should have a decent idea what you're about. Be straightforward and friendly. I really dislike not knowing if it's just massage or massage and more or just more. The ad should be in full sentences and spelling and grammar count. If someone has English as a second language, say so. A decent client will be understanding. Be truthful to the stats and change them as needed. Set a friendly and professional tone in the ad. It's fine to set few stipulations but don't get carried away with that. In the "likes" area, don't go wild there. Just check the ones you really like.

If you're a total top or total bottom, just say so. It might cull the client list, but it will save time. AND sometimes that's a turnon to the remaining clients. A listing of "versatile" should truly be that. Use the #hashtags to good advantage with common words and spellings.

Here's a possible ad that hits some of those notes above. Just change the details as needed:

Hello and thank you for looking over my ad. I was raised in the desert Southwest but make New York City my home base now. I can do only outcalls in New York City, but I can do in and out while traveling. I am available for weekends and overnights with advanced notice. While I prefer a day's notice for hourly sessions, I can sometimes meet for day-of appointments.

I'm a versatile top with a very strong preference for topping (but open to the right pitch for bottoming). I specialize in what I call the "aggressive BF experience" but I can go rougher or more gentle depending on what you like. You let me know and we go from there.  Like to worship a man's feet? Head to the front of the line! I come from Hispanic heritage and speak some Spanish, but it's not my first language. I enjoy traveling, jogging and pasta is my food weakness. 

I present and expect clean hygiene. Payment is for time only and can be cash or _________. I can reply to RM messenger, but I might be faster with text. After we've established contact, I can usually do a brief phone call, especially when meeting for the first time.

I enjoy all types of men, so don't be shy. I have 8 solid, uncut reasons why we should meet up, and you'll enjoy taking each one of them under advisement! I'll arrive with a smile and hope to leave you with one.

__________________

Anyway, I hope some of that is helpful.






 

Edited August 29, 2023 by Decatur Guy

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

On 8/19/2023 at 6:57 AM, ICTJOCK said:

I realize every client has their own unique things they favor in a provider's ad.   Attitude,  photos,   so many different things.      What I would like to ask all potential clients out there  are your own generic  "likes"  in an ad and those you consider real mistakes.

I've heard too many photos are not helpful and they need to be changed occasionally.    Clearly an articulate ,  well written ad  would be basic.

Thoughts?

Ultimately attractiveness is in the client's eyes.  But here is a setup that would catch my eye when I am trying to search through hundreds of providers in a popular city.

PHOTOS: I'd say around 4 to 10 ideally.   Make each picture count. Suggested breakdown:

1 Face (even blurred out of you're concerned about identity, to get a general idea of hair/complexio

1 Full Body, can be clothed, to show body size

1 Underwear or swim briefs to show off the body

1 Nude, with penis and buttocks (either 2 separate photos, or 1 combined view from the side)

TEXT OF AD: At least 3 sentences.  No more than 2 paragraphs.  Ideally a price would be listed.  But given the legality of it, a link to a provider website or mentioning longer sessions, overnights, etc. would catch my eye.

CATEGORIES:  A straight forward answer is better than "Ask Me" for things like Orientation, Position, etc..  I look for Anything Goes or at least Ask Me for safer sex.  I don't pay attention to vaccine status.

 

Edited August 30, 2023 by Vegas_Millennial

[Nodalguy]

I'm into a variety of guys, but I would say they tend to be mid-20s to early-30s, fit, and generally nice looking to quite handsome. Lately I've also been on a real streak for Latino guys, but that's not a requirement at all. Other than that, the most important factors for me are: safe sex status and, let's say, providing some hot tea for the party. I do also like uncut and hung (although not too much so). 

[DWnyc]

On 8/21/2023 at 12:38 PM, CuriousByNature said:

I know it has been mentioned frequently in other threads, and this comment is not to refute or challenge your post/opinion in any way, but there is a risk in assuming that a provider's written status is accurate.  But I get your point

Part of the point is just put something (and why would a provider lie? Age, weight etc are surely also always correct …)

While we shouldn’t encourage status stigma or entitlement, and thanks to science we now have tools to protect ourselves in any scenario, some people still don’t use them all and select based on this info. Leaving it empty doesn’t help move us along that knowledge gap / discomfort / slow take up of treatment options.

 

[DWnyc]

On 8/24/2023 at 1:56 PM, Unicorn said:

That, and he's never heard of Google Translate! 😄 But, seriously as long as one can get one's point across, why in Hell would one care about the quality of his grammar? As for myself, I look for signs of friendliness. I like it if the person says he's a good kisser. Like a lot of other gay guys, I get turned on by armpits, so at least one armpit shot is helpful (prefer unshaved). Any display of a middle finger is a turn-off, as would any other sign of a bad attitude. (As an aside, I have no idea why those whose foreign language skills are weak don't use google translate. It's easy as fuck to use, and it's completely free, for crying out loud.)

I speak several non-English languages as some of you likely also do. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an ad from the New York City govt in their ethnic outreach (eg on the subway) without errors eg literal rather than conceptual translation, words cut off probably by graphics teams who didn’t follow where sentences and words begin and end etc. All through using Google translate and similar services. They will improve no doubt. But maybe not in time for our hot Latino friend’s business if grammar is selection criteria.