Chien Andalou Posted January 2 Posted January 2 On 12/31/2025 at 4:34 PM, Boaxxx said: Come to the San Jose/San Francisco is you are traveling all around the US. 😈 He’ll be here in two weeks.
SecretProvider Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) 15 hours ago, Braziliancutee said: And I am feel very happy bc i am discussing this for all the escorts. you are not speaking for all escorts and you are not putting yourself in the best light here. You have mentioned that 'even nice young and good looking' clients are paying your rates, which suggests that people who do not fit into that category will not get the same price or service from you - which is a sure sign of a bad provider, and I would assume that many clients do NOT fit in that category who read this will be disinclined to hire you. so great job there! Just state your price and if it doesn't fit the clients budget, wish them well in their search. Arguing here like this is not making you, or us, look good. Edited January 3 by SecretProvider spelling + DrownedBoy, + SidewaysDM, Luv2play and 3 others 1 1 2 2
SecretProvider Posted January 3 Posted January 3 1 hour ago, CuriousByNature said: I have never met with anyone, do you mind if I ask how many providers you have reached out to? I'm just curious.
SecretProvider Posted January 3 Posted January 3 3 hours ago, pubic_assistance said: $ 100 per person is moderately expensive for MANHATTAN, and my wife and I DO drink. Generally speaking, we spend $ 75 per person including a glass of wine for each. There are a lot of Brazilians (our young friend included) who see the luxury lifestyle and think they "deserve" it, so they pretend they are part of that lifestyle, and seek out gentlemen with thick wallets and desperate personalities. I know of a few Instagram models who have found themselves a rich sugar daddy, after selling their hole for a year or two. So it IS attainable (for a period) for some of the special guys who offer an experience to be with an exceptionally attractive model. I think @Braziliancutee is confusing THIS business model with the standard industry expectations of charging $ 300 to cum in their ass with a bunch of clients weekly, so they can pay their $ 3500 rent on a studio in Hells Kitchen, and eat out at Five Guys. Danny-Darko, + KensingtonHomo, pubic_assistance and 2 others 1 4
Elite_XL Posted January 3 Posted January 3 This quite an interesting topic which I have discussed with colleagues before. From our perspective, it seems to be a trend where the expectation is also for lower prices from the clientele on places such as Florida and Texas to the degree in which if you travel there, you might have to drop your rates just because majority of the market is oversaturated there and are used to the already existing lower rates. When it comes to asking for an Uber/Lyft, I view it as a form of deposit and security for the appointment. We get a lot of text of people that just fake wanting an appointment and then ghost you. I sometimes can be comprehensive and ask for what they are willing to spend. Whether, you low ball it too far, thats already on you. It is time, energy and preparation that I will spend out of my day to meet you. I do charge on the higher end but, haven’t had any complaints yet after the meeting. 1 hour ago, SecretProvider said: you are not speaking for all escorts and you are not doing putting yourself in the best light here. You have mentioned that 'even nice young and good looking' clients are paying your rates, which suggests that people who do not fit into that category will not get the same price or service from you - which is a sure sign of a bad provider, and I would assume that many clients do NOT fit in that category who read this will be disinclined to hire you. so great job there! Just state your price and if it doesn't fit the clients budget, wish them well in their search. Arguing here like this is not making you, or us, look good. I do agree on this. Don’t speak for the rest of us + KensingtonHomo, pubic_assistance, SecretProvider and 2 others 3 1 1
JB_Studio38 Posted January 3 Posted January 3 5 hours ago, CuriousByNature said: a very desirable (to me) provider, PAID ME for my time. It was amazing. Such a connection. And it seemed to last for hours and hours. But then I woke up. Either that or, you looked like muni long in drag and the provider was gay for pay: But in reality he’s hetero/pan flexible or whatever it’s called in 2026: 🤭 CuriousByNature 1
JB_Studio38 Posted January 3 Posted January 3 On 12/31/2025 at 7:33 AM, DrownedBoy said: Compared to small Midwest towns with a population of 20,000, yes, Chicago is more expensive 😂 You know I gotta fact check you 😉 Coming from Florida and Texas: Chicago IS expensive. Maybe not the deeper suburbs in Illinois, but those are also expansive. And you still pay a lot in tolls. I once had a $35 toll bill, and I didn’t even fucking go to Chicago. I drove around the outer burbs but it still cost a lot and I didn’t even know how much I was being billed because they have it all Bill by plate now. Also gas there is more expensive, taxes etc. + DrownedBoy 1
domdom81 Posted January 3 Posted January 3 Look, I know MUCH has already been said, but as someone who has hired since the '90s, I think escort rates have just VERY gradually risen to match inflation and cost of living. A short session with a hot stud from the Gaiety in NYC used to cost at least $200 back in those days, and that's 30 years ago! It's a buyers market, and the top tier guys charge to reflect that. I'm happy to pay more for someone outstanding, and just hire less than I'd probably like due to the cost. + SidewaysDM, Luv2play, Elite_XL and 1 other 1 1 1 1
+ KensingtonHomo Posted January 3 Posted January 3 3 hours ago, SecretProvider said: Just state your price and if it doesn't fit the clients budget, wish them well in their search. Arguing here like this is not making you, or us, look good. This is the point I was trying to make. Maybe he’ll listen to a colleague. Ultimately, this was asking if clients noticed that prices has decreased or leveled off. No one should be telling a provider what to charge or a client what’s the right amount to be willing to pay. We should be able to discuss trends without it becoming personal or directed at specific people. And @Elite_XL is a great provider. pubic_assistance, Luv2play, Elite_XL and 1 other 3 1
CuriousByNature Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) 4 hours ago, SecretProvider said: do you mind if I ask how many providers you have reached out to? I'm just curious. I'm not sure how many - not a lot. I found out about this site and the various provider sites almost exactly 6 years ago, and after 30+ years of thinking nobody would ever want to spend time with me in any sort of romantic way, I started to think maybe I could meet someone this way. In those first few months I requested access to many private galleries, but very little contact beyond that and thanking them for sharing when they did. I knew it would take time for me to follow through with a meeting and that it would need to be far from home, so I always let providers know my circumstances because I did not want to waste their time. Some were very understanding, and others were not - which I understood and could not hold against them. Then the pandemic hit and there was no way I would be able to travel and meet anyone. I also have been concerned about STIs, and I am very risk averse. Having been molested early in life has likely contributed to a lot of confusion, and I waffle back and forth about my worthiness to experience the fullness of human contact, and I'm probably less likely to pursue meeting anyone compared to 5 years ago when the thought was new and exhilarating. I even lost quite a bit of weight so that I could feel less self-conscious. At least the weight has stayed off, so becoming healthier was an unexpected silver lining to my odd journey. I tried to stay in periodic contact with a few providers who were particularly kind, or who confided about some of their own struggles. There are those who are no longer on the sites, and I think about them often and hope they are doing alright. Honesty has always been very important to me, so I have never suggested a meeting and then backed out of it. I know providers are busy and that they have to deal with that far too often. Perhaps one day I'll be able to bite the bullet, but if I never experience these sorts of things - aside from what happened to me many years ago - I can't complain. Sorry for the long answer to your short question Edited January 3 by CuriousByNature SecretProvider, Luv2play, + SidewaysDM and 3 others 2 1 3
+ PhileasFogg Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) The market sets the price - it’s the demands of the buyer and the availability of alternatives that contribute to market equilibrium and not the needs/demands of the seller. All the seller can offer is premium services to achieve premium pricing IF that market is deep enough (no pun intended) Edited January 3 by PhileasFogg + SidewaysDM, + DrownedBoy, corp.exc.bttm and 2 others 1 4
Danny-Darko Posted January 3 Posted January 3 26 minutes ago, PhileasFogg said: The market sets the price - it’s the demands of the buyer and the availability of alternatives that contribute to market equilibrium and not the needs/demands of the seller. All the seller can offer is premium services to achieve premium pricing IF that market is feel enough (no pun intended) Yes I totally agree with you, but basic economics is beyond the average undereducated hustler with bordering on average looks who comes to this country thinking he's going to make it rich, raking in big buck in the big city! As you said to paraphrase you, "offer premium service" AND if I may add, he must have premium looks and skills to match! For quite awhile now we've had a surplus of migrants and immigrants from third world countries and many of them are hot and hung! Competition is tough and they all came with the same dreams, fantasies, and high expectations. Many come from places that the rate on the street or club is the equivalent of $15 to $40 dollars at best, but they can live for less than $500 a month as many do. In the USA pay is higher but so is the cost of living. This is a rude awakening for them as we've read in the forum. Add to all that this bad economy that we've been going through for several years now! These are all factors those boys with big dreams aren't figuring in and many can't figure out. 😉 SecretProvider, + SidewaysDM and pubic_assistance 1 2
pubic_assistance Posted January 3 Posted January 3 2 minutes ago, Danny-Darko said: basic economics is beyond the average undereducated hustler with bordering on average looks who comes to this country thinking he's going to make it rich, Well...we just witnessed THAT in real-time. But maybe "lawyers" arent expected to study basic economics in Brazil. 🙄 Danny-Darko, + SidewaysDM, TMB and 2 others 1 4
marylander1940 Posted January 3 Posted January 3 On 12/29/2025 at 10:30 PM, BigK said: I primarily hire in Houston, San Francisco, and Los Angeles. There seems to be more and more escort providers available in those cities. I’ve noticed pricing is low as $200 with quite a few at $300 or less. Some of these guys are newer to the scene and probably trying to build up clientele. But it does appear to me to be a bit of a trend. This has been a self-fulfilling prophecy over and over again. Many guys on here brag about getting discounts. I wonder how realistic that is! Maybe there's some adjustment but escorts I know only do it with regulars and compatible clients + SidewaysDM 1
marylander1940 Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) 5 hours ago, Danny-Darko said: Yes I totally agree with you, but basic economics is beyond the average undereducated hustler with bordering on average looks who comes to this country thinking he's going to make it rich, raking in big buck in the big city! As you said to paraphrase you, "offer premium service" AND if I may add, he must have premium looks and skills to match! For quite awhile now we've had a surplus of migrants and immigrants from third world countries and many of them are hot and hung! Competition is tough and they all came with the same dreams, fantasies, and high expectations. Many come from places that the rate on the street or club is the equivalent of $15 to $40 dollars at best, but they can live for less than $500 a month as many do. In the USA pay is higher but so is the cost of living. This is a rude awakening for them as we've read in the forum. Add to all that this bad economy that we've been going through for several years now! These are all factors those boys with big dreams aren't figuring in and many can't figure out. 😉 Bordering or average looks were good enough for an escort to make a living in some markets before but not anymore. Now, it's way more competitive. As much as I agree with your post, I have a few things to add: "Undereducated"? What does that mean when it comes to escorting? Escorts and all migrants who come here from those countries appreciate the American dream, especially after making $15-$40 per trick. They live within their means, save money, etc. I know for a fact American born escorts of white trash background sooner or later overspend, do drugs, show no work ethic, don't save, run out of money, etc. Edited January 3 by marylander1940 corp.exc.bttm, la_connor, pubic_assistance and 1 other 1 1 2
+ DrownedBoy Posted January 3 Posted January 3 On 1/2/2026 at 4:03 AM, Aedo said: Broadly speaking, the decrease in illegal immigration will put upward pressure on provider prices, but the economy being bad for the poor and middle classes will likely create new providers, which will put downward pressure on prices. The economy hasn't died yet, but if and when it does, I suspect that doctors will once again garner an hourly wage greater than that of NY and LA escorts. That I haven't seen, although that may be because Chicago is a sanctuary city. My last hire was a Columbian seeking asylum (although from what he said, the chances he qualifies are nil). In November, I had a Venezuelan guy. None spoke English nor had stable residence. I think this is a regional thing depending on how LE treats foreigners. marylander1940 and + SidewaysDM 1 1
+ PhileasFogg Posted January 3 Posted January 3 When I come across new guys entering the market, I often hear that a friend was making easy money and talked them into it. What’s really happening if they’re flooding supply when - it seems to me - that demand is down. I’m repeating myself - it’s simple economics Existinguser, MikeBiDude, Danny-Darko and 1 other 3 1
sjmuktop Posted January 4 Posted January 4 There certainly has not been a drop here in London. The going rate here is currently £200 and has been for a long while now. I've noticed an uptick in the number of those charging more (£250), but it's still only a small handful. Anything above this is extremely rare (in fact, I have not actually come across any guys exceeding this, ever; they would be narrowing their clientele to such a small niche that they'd be pricing themselves out of the market). It's actually still not all that uncommon to see guys (and yes, they're still very hot and good at what they do, they're not 'lesser' in any way) charging within the £150 - 190 range. It's not widespread, but you still see it (typically among newer guys). When you've known an escort for a long time and you've been a regular client of his for a long time, in my experience, he is often (if not usually) happy to charge you a lower rate than he advertises for new clients (the old business custom of rewarding loyalty!) + Vegas_Millennial, Danny-Darko, Occasional and 1 other 2 2
Asterisk Posted Friday at 04:12 AM Posted Friday at 04:12 AM On 1/2/2026 at 1:21 PM, pubic_assistance said: Generally speaking an actual lawyer doesnt base all his arguments on anecdotal evidence...so I find this claim to be suspect. In Brazil, people often describe themselves by the degree they obtained at university, even if they never practiced in the field. "Lawyers" may have a law degree, but not be a member of the OAB. I know several. (And, of course, the sophistication of law schools varies considerably, with very fine schools at the federal universities, and less prestigious private schools offering a less rigorous education.) I don't find it suspect, but do think the statement is being made from a Brazilian perspective, then heard from an American perspective -- and we don't always define our professional identities in the same way. + Vegas_Millennial and Nue2thegame 2
Asterisk Posted Friday at 04:27 AM Posted Friday at 04:27 AM On 12/31/2025 at 7:10 PM, Braziliancutee said: Ofc we have middle class but is very very small. Data shows that the middle class in Brazil is over half the population -- it's not small at all (though inequality warps distribution still). (Using the Rio Times because it's in English, and most CoM members don't read/speak Portuguese. Of course, a middle class income in the US and in Brazil is quite different, but so is cost of living. I bought a healthy cart of groceries at Pão de Açucar in São Paulo day for about $50, and could have bought much more at a more middle class grocery (or much less at Santa Luzia or St Marche). Like the US, every day conversation is rife with anecdotes and personal experiences, but the Bolsa Familia and other programs have had significant success. Data show that better than a walkaround. Brazilian Middle Class Surpasses 50% for First Time Since 2015 - The Rio Times WWW.RIOTIMESONLINE.COM A recent study by Tendências Consultoria reveals a significant shift in Brazil's socioeconomic landscape... + claym 1
TMB Posted Sunday at 02:05 PM Posted Sunday at 02:05 PM (edited) On 1/2/2026 at 9:05 AM, KensingtonHomo said: This one cracked me up. We mostly hire guys 35 and over. Some of our favorite regular providers are in their 40s. I have to chime in because this 100% my situation. I think men in the mid-thirties to mid-forties are generally the most attractive AND those that are providers tend to be very good providers, given their long experience. My two regulars are both in their late 30s/early 40s But on this specific topic, I haven't noticed any reduction in rates for Palm Springs or Boston/Provincetown. But these are resort areas and tend to have people who are on vacation and willing to splurge. Edited Sunday at 04:15 PM by TMB + claym, + KensingtonHomo and JB_Studio38 2 1
+ sniper Posted yesterday at 02:34 AM Posted yesterday at 02:34 AM in 1998 I first went to the Gaiety. Dancers there charged 150 for privates at the time, but might take 100 if it was particularly slow. According to a CPI calculator, 150 back then is 300 today. Danny-Darko and + Vegas_Millennial 1 1
JB_Studio38 Posted yesterday at 07:45 AM Posted yesterday at 07:45 AM (edited) 17 hours ago, TMB said: I have to chime in because this 100% my situation. I think men in the mid-thirties to mid-forties are generally the most attractive AND those that are providers tend to be very good providers, given their long experience. My two regulars are both in their late 30s/early 40s But on this specific topic, I haven't noticed any reduction in rates for Palm Springs or Boston/Provincetown. But these are resort areas and tend to have people who are on vacation and willing to splurge. I didn’t get this when I was 25, but now I’m 38 I can say so. It tends to make me 🤨 when someone thinks guys are too old to escort after 35. And I even see many guys posting their age as under 30, for years. Though I don’t necessarily seek out trying to hookup round the clock, it’s less to do with libido and more to do with preserving my time and energy for paying clients or discerning men. But my desire and libido hasn’t gone south by any means. Edited yesterday at 07:46 AM by JB_Studio38 + claym and TMB 1 1
uclablueyes Posted yesterday at 08:14 AM Posted yesterday at 08:14 AM On 12/30/2025 at 7:52 PM, Pd1_jap said: In the last two years most providers started going up to 400-500 an hour. The past six months many of those providers reached out to me offering a discount. I think the average these days is around $300 again. I had the same experience. A couple of providers who were quoting in the $400–450 range in LA are now coming back at $350 when I text them. It might be seasonal, but it’s true that prices had crept into the $400–500 range and things seem to have softened a bit. And of course, you always have the amazing Thermas bathhouse in Barcelona: €50 and you’re set, which is pretty hard to beat. Pd1_jap, Medin and + Vegas_Millennial 2 1
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