Providers - how often do you get stiffed?

[+ DrownedBoy]

Not in the physical sense - I mean in the monetary.

I was wondering - how many clients try to get out of reimbursing what they promised? Are you generally able to convince them? And if not, do such meetings make you lose a significant amount of money?

[Trick]

I’ve met several providers who can’t get stiff. Bummer!

[Jamie21]

Happened to me recently. I don’t think he intentionally did it. Was an out call to his hotel, a visitor to London from China. He offered payment by card at the start but I never accept payment until afterwards (it kills the vibe I think). So we finish the session and he’s very happy, he inserts his card but it’s declined. So I suggest another card (after trying twice) but he doesn’t have one, nor any cash. There’s a language issue too. In the end I sent a PayPal request but he couldn’t settle that immediately either. 

After that I gave up. It’s never happened to me before and I put it down to experience, because there were a couple of red flags. Strange thing is he’s not blocked me and replies to my chaser for setting the PayPal request by promising he’ll do it shortly. I think there is an issue for him regarding using his Chinese card. Anyway, I’ve written off the money (don’t tell him!). 
 

 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

I've never been stiffed on my rate for time, but was once taken for a rather large hotel bill.

Client was a solid guy for 15+ years.  He was visiting NYC.  Suite at the Carlyle.  His card was giving him issues, so I graciously put down a cc and he agreed to make sure I was paid back.  I didn't think there'd be an issue.

There was an issue.  A $24k issue.

Moral of story:  Don't confuse being gracious and being stupid. 

I ended up getting my money back. 

From what I was told, he eventually ended up dead, pulling this same bullshit on people who weren't so understanding of his con.

[Monarchy79]

40 minutes ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

I've never been stiffed on my rate for time, but was once taken for a rather large hotel bill.

Client was a solid guy for 15+ years.  He was visiting NYC.  Suite at the Carlyle.  His card was giving him issues, so I graciously put down a cc and he agreed to make sure I was paid back.  I didn't think there'd be an issue.

There was an issue.  A $24k issue.

Moral of story:  Don't confuse being gracious and being stupid. 

I ended up getting my money back. 

From what I was told, he eventually ended up dead, pulling this same bullshit on people who weren't so understanding of his con.

You need to write a book. 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

12 minutes ago, Monarchy79 said:

You need to write a book. 

I was approached years ago by a small, but well-known publishing house in NYC.  I was asked to write a sample chapter for them to look at.

They didn't like how I blurred the more juicy details.  They clearly wanted a tell-all (or something like one).

I said I'd be more interested in writing it as fiction.  Alluding to, but not directly pointing things out.

I tried to frame it as good for them to avoid lawsuits.  They didn't budge.

That was the end of me ever wanting to write a book.

 

[Luv2play]

11 minutes ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

I was approached years ago by a small, but well-known publishing house in NYC.  I was asked to write a sample chapter for them to look at.

They didn't like how I blurred the more juicy details.  They clearly wanted a tell-all (or something like one).

I said I'd be more interested in writing it as fiction.  Alluding to, but not directly pointing things out.

I tried to frame it as good for them to avoid lawsuits.  They didn't budge.

That was the end of me ever wanting to write a book.

 

How about a posthumous memoir?

[nate_sf]

I've only been stiffed once. It was a forum member, during one of the DC meetups. Both clients and providers warned me ahead of time that he was known to pull stunts, so I wasn't surprised when at the end of the session he claimed to have lost his wallet. He put on quite the act, trying to look panicked and all. "Where is my wallet? OMG, I've lost my wallet!!!" I just sat and watched his performance for a couple of minutes, then showed him the door. (For what it's worth, I don't believe he posts on this forum anymore, let alone attend any of the events)

[NJF]

14 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

I was approached years ago by a small, but well-known publishing house in NYC.  I was asked to write a sample chapter for them to look at.

They didn't like how I blurred the more juicy details.  They clearly wanted a tell-all (or something like one).

I said I'd be more interested in writing it as fiction.  Alluding to, but not directly pointing things out.

I tried to frame it as good for them to avoid lawsuits.  They didn't budge.

That was the end of me ever wanting to write a book.

 

It is not much a hustle to self publish these days. You definitely have some unique stories 😂 that will sale well.

[Monarchy79]

16 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

I was approached years ago by a small, but well-known publishing house in NYC.  I was asked to write a sample chapter for them to look at.

They didn't like how I blurred the more juicy details.  They clearly wanted a tell-all (or something like one).

I said I'd be more interested in writing it as fiction.  Alluding to, but not directly pointing things out.

I tried to frame it as good for them to avoid lawsuits.  They didn't budge.

That was the end of me ever wanting to write a book.

 

It’s unfortunately that the publishing house didn’t budge. 
 

They could have possibly considered transforming it into a set of scripts for a miniseries (TV show) or a movie. 

[Simon Suraci]

23 minutes ago, Monarchy79 said:

They could have possibly considered transforming it into a set of scripts for a miniseries (TV show) or a movie. 

Makes me think about Six Feet Under, where every episode you have a death at the beginning and it plays into the ongoing story. How entertaining would it be to have a show about hookers where you start each episode with a scene involving a new John? HBO style with gratuitous nudity (or not, entertaining either way). It would be fictional of course, just like writing a book, if not for the legal and privacy reasons, then for narrative cohesiveness and creative reasons. All you need are a few well developed characters, some story arc trajectories and the script practically writes itself. 

[BuffaloKyle]

I like to ask providers this very question when I'm paying them at the end of the session and no one so far has said it has happened to them. 😅

[nate_sf]

9 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

Makes me think about Six Feet Under, where every episode you have a death at the beginning and it plays into the ongoing story. How entertaining would it be to have a show about hookers where you start each episode with a scene involving a new John? HBO style with gratuitous nudity (or not, entertaining either way). It would be fictional of course, just like writing a book, if not for the legal and privacy reasons, then for narrative cohesiveness and creative reasons. All you need are a few well developed characters, some story arc trajectories and the script practically writes itself. 

I love this! Someone find a scriptwriter and we can all be executive producers 🥳

[viewing ownly]

On 4/6/2024 at 4:24 PM, BenjaminNicholas said:

I was approached years ago by a small, but well-known publishing house in NYC.  I was asked to write a sample chapter for them to look at.

They didn't like how I blurred the more juicy details.  They clearly wanted a tell-all (or something like one).

I said I'd be more interested in writing it as fiction.  Alluding to, but not directly pointing things out.

I tried to frame it as good for them to avoid lawsuits.  They didn't budge.

That was the end of me ever wanting to write a book.

 

This right here could be your prologue. 🤣

[Jay_lucas]

Unfortunately, I have got stiffed a few times, including a guy that flew me out to Texas for a three day weekend and never paid me. An Overnight situation like that I think it’s fair to ask for  50% upfront ( because of issues like this). Then the rest when I’m there. I tend to not want to ask for the payment upfront when I meet a client because I don’t want them to feel uncomfortable, but I always tell them if they feel like getting out of the way just leave it on the nightstand. 
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[marylander1940]

13 hours ago, BuffaloKyle said:

I like to ask providers this very question when I'm paying them at the end of the session and no one so far has said it has happened to them. 😅

well, gentlemen always keep their word and pay their bills!

[marylander1940]

On 4/5/2024 at 6:05 PM, DrownedBoy said:

Not in the physical sense - I mean in the monetary.

I was wondering - how many clients try to get out of reimbursing what they promised? Are you generally able to convince them? And if not, do such meetings make you lose a significant amount of money?

 

I know several providers who ask payment upfront only if it's late at night, there are clear signs of PNP or any other red flags.

One of my escort friends has been stiffed $20 5 or 6 times in his over 20 years career, he also had guys who agreed on a couple of hours and 1 hour later say they're done, most of them pay for 2 hours while a few pay only 1 because that's how long they stayed. Not sure if that's "stiffing"...,

He never had a major issue of someone walking out of his place without paying but a close friend of him who used his place had it happened once.

On 4/6/2024 at 6:27 PM, BenjaminNicholas said:

I've never been stiffed on my rate for time, but was once taken for a rather large hotel bill.

Client was a solid guy for 15+ years.  He was visiting NYC.  Suite at the Carlyle.  His card was giving him issues, so I graciously put down a cc and he agreed to make sure I was paid back.  I didn't think there'd be an issue.

There was an issue.  A $24k issue.

Moral of story:  Don't confuse being gracious and being stupid. 

I ended up getting my money back. 

From what I was told, he eventually ended up dead, pulling this same bullshit on people who weren't so understanding of his con.

Karma!

I hate to say but that was Karma, he messed with the wrong guy!