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Agreed, poppers aren’t considered PNP, they’re pretty much in a category by themselves and more commonly used than you might think. Just ask the guy if he’s ok with you using them. From time to time guys will ask me to pick some up for them as they don’t want to buy them themselves. I’ll just buy a small bottle and give it to the guy still sealed and unopened.

I've been that "wing" guy, and recommend that approach. It allows you to just focus on your enjoyment and not worry about the logistics. If there is a need to retrieve someone from the lobby, he can be the one to do it. The incentive for him is he gets paid for the longer appointment. As others have said, there is no issue with the guys overlapping and seeing each other. If one of them wants to stick around and participate with the next guy at the door, just be clear whether you will compensate him for the extra time. You could say something like you're welcome to stay, but I only brought enough cash for the one hour (or however long you've booked). As long as everyone is reasonably discreet and you keep noise under control, the hotels should not care. People book hotels to have sex, it's not a secret. Though I haven't done one of these group scenarios in a 5-star hotel, I've done plenty in respectable 4-stars like Marriott. And as been discussed, be realistic about your stamina. It can be a great fantasy to have a lineup of men coming to the door on the hour every hour, but most guys get worn out after the third guy or so. I like @liubit's suggestion of timing spread out over a slutty weekend.

His listing has expired, so maybe he's taking a break. I've done a couple of group appointments with him, and think really highly of him. I agree with everything @Wings246 says. Amazing hard bod, and that ass! One time I saw him he was clean shaven, the other time bearded, so if you have a preference you should check. I thought he was really hot both ways.

This would be my definition: But I wouldn't say just making out would count as losing virginity. So maybe it would be the first time you got into each others' pants...

Thanks for the insights and welcome to the forum! I’m sure lots of guys here would love to hear more about your experiences performing.

Thanks for the live reporting! Sounds like it was a fun evening.

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These days in the US you need to post a profile on either Rentmen or Rentmasseur (or both) to have clients find you. For escorting, Rentmen is the only show in town, so there's no way around it. Sure, there are some DL guys out and about on IG, X etc but unless you have a big following I'm not sure how well that would work. As @Jamie21 mentions, you can't use OF to set up meetings but it can help build a presence. Once you have your Rentmen/Rentmasseur profile set up, you can post a link in your signature here (like Jamie and I both have) so people can find out more about you. As others have suggested, if you participate here in the forums, people will get to know you and might hit you up for appointments. If you're not ready for any of this yet, you could also just provide some stats here... age, height, weight. There are a number of guys in LA on this site, so some might contact you directly. And yes, find a mentor! Especially if this is really new and you're not sure how to do an appointment. I've learned so much from other working guys.

So sorry to hear. He was indeed a fixture at the PS weekends, and will be missed. RIP.

Would this be more for just kicks, or are you wanting to start a bona fide cleaning business? Either is OK, but that will depend on how you approach this. If it's just for kicks, yes Rentmen and Craigslist are good options. Be prepared to get flagged on Craigslist as there are some prudish people there who like to flag listings, but just roll with it. If there is a gay newspaper or mag in your area you could try that too. They might have online classifieds. If this is meant to be a business for real, first you'll need to be sure you can indeed clean well, naked or not. Then you'll need to do a bunch of tedious stuff to get the business set up, but each thing is important to keep you out of possible trouble: Most cities require a business license, so check the local requirements. Typically not expensive. If you'll be a sole proprietor, you should file a fictitious business name/DBA (Doing Business As) with the County, and in most places that's required to be posted in a newspaper for a certain amount of time (very old fashioned, I know). The Clerk's office is usually really good about providing guidance on how to do this. It might make sense to file this first, before getting your business license, so you can include your DBA on the business license. Even less fun, but really important if you're making a real go of this, is to get insurance. If you break something, or someone slips on one of your just-cleaned floors, you could be liable for damages and that could get expensive. Also having insurance demonstrates you're a serious business. If you're really ambitious, you can form an Limited Liability Corporation (LLC) in lieu of going as a sole proprietor. I'm not an attorney so can't speak to all of the legal stuff, but this will provide you with an additional measure of protection between you and the business. I went through all this recently in forming a new business entity. DM me if you need any advice. Also maybe check with these guys at Gay Cleaning in Orlando. I'd stumbled on them when I was looking for cleaners here in SF. I don't know if they do naked cleaning, but they might be able to give you some pointers on the other aspects of the business.

The VIP ads have phone numbers, so maybe the VIP ads are legit but all the others are fakes. Fakes either to drive in new listings, or maybe some other scam. The VIP ads look more like real people, and some even have tattoos!

I scanned the San Francisco listings and there is not any resemblance to the listings I recognize from Rentmen. There’s a certain sameness to the photos that makes me think they’re AI generated. Biggest tell is that none - not a single one - has tattoos. I mean come on, in San Francisco?

I wouldn’t assume that necessarily. Checking the Daddy box on the into list could mean he’s into older guys, or is into a Daddy/“Son” scenario, and/or he considers himself a Daddy. Best just to ask!

Outside of this community here, just a couple know for sure that I escort. My husband knows (he once escorted himself) and I share everything with him. Then there is a bodyworker I see every couple of weeks, and we talk shop. I've mentioned it to my doc and he was unfazed, but after all he's a gay MD in San Francisco. I do wonder if others know, and just haven't said anything. That's always in the back of my mind. Quite some time ago I wrote an essay about it here. Have a look if you have nothing better to do! 😛

I agree with @Jamie21 and @SecretProvider, I think the intent is to minimize the transactional nature and just focus on the quality of the experience overall. I'd say that's especially true in the context of a BFE date. Most will either leave the cash somewhere visible (either in an envelope or exposed), or discreetly place it into my hand or pocket. I get the sense the client also wants to keep it discreet, so I just say thank you and wait until later to count it. Some clients will count it out, or ask for me to count it out, but that's rare. And I can't remember the last time (or any time?) I've been shorted. The rise of the payment apps makes it more transactional though if the payment is made during the appointment. There is the need to ask for the payment handle, or provide the QR code, and most clients want to see confirmation that the payment has gone through. I'm fine with all that, but that's quite different than the discreet handover of cash. It is a transaction after all, one all of us here feel is fair and without shame, so in respects that's a positive thing that we can just be open and up front about it. I have one regular client who sends the electronic payment right before the appointment, which is nice since then it's all sorted and done so the appointment can end without the transactional aspect. Of course that requires trust, but since we're regulars it works.

Thanks for sharing this. Although it’s about a woman and she works at a brothel, there was a lot that resonated for me here. It’s a very insightful read. But damn, those rates they can charge! I know women sexworkers may more than their male counterparts, but wow. More power to them!

Those of you who are on the Adonis LA email list will have received news today that Adonis LA has officially ended. For those who did not receive the email, here's the "Fond Farewell" from Matt Adonis: What a journey it has been my friends! From our humble beginnings in 2013 up through half of 2025 we created a legendary period of time that will forever go down in history as, well, LEGENDARY. From expansions to Long Beach, Las Vegas, Phoenix, Palm Springs, we built a brand that became synonymous with flawlees physical perfection, awesome, fun, crazy, ridiculous, insane, inane, unbelievable, surreal, comical, challenging, overwhelming, laughable, and so many other adjectives just take your pick or add to the list. The stories, experiences, shows, parties, all of it became such an incredible force of nature that Adonis LA took on a life of its own and became the best gay show in LA for about a decade. From full SWAT Team and helicopter raids at Nude Parties to death defying car pools to Palm Springs (yes a dancer once threatened to light a carload of fellow dancers on fire at a gas station), there was never a shortage of drama or comical stories to give a little glimpse into the behind the scenes of all the craziness or to lighten the day with a good read or a good laugh for all our fans and followers. But, as we all know, nothing that great can last forever, and like so many things after covid, we were just never able to really bounce back. Despite re-starts at State Social House, Tempo (one-and-done) and even Revolver in the heart of WeHo, too much had changed and the landscape was just never the same to be able to recapture the magic. Nude Party venues became unaffordable, talent migrated to Only Fans and overall customer enthusiasm and turnouts just nose-dived into unsustainability. For the past 6 months I've been "temporarily" in NY as all of Tim's and my main businesses are here which have been and are requiring both of our full efforts and attention. So the Adonis LA chapter must officially close as I relocate back to NY. That being said, all hope is not lost!! Adonis NYC Nude Parties and pop-up shows are still great and worth keeping on your radar whether passing through NYC or making a trip out of it, Adonis lives on via Adonis NYC! If you would like to be added to that email list just let me know and we'll happily accommodate.

Talk about a hot lunch!

Though technically he's on the cover (of a virtual magazine), they don't credit him, or show his face or dick. Basically they just use his body to illustrate an article about women embracing Big Dick Energy (BDE) for themselves: https://playgirl.com/features/big-dick-energy-is-for-the-girls-actually/ But that body is impressive! And I kinda liked the article too. As far as I can tell, Playgirl is not being published in hard copy. They made a big thing a few years ago about going back into print, but it looks like they only published one issue. Otherwise it's an online website/magazine. Maybe the print thing was just a publicity thing to get them into the news and bring in subscribers for their virtual stuff. I subscribe to the companion Playgirl Plus website, which has the naked guys. They have a new guy each month, plus a bunch of archived stuff going back to the beginning. I like it well enough to keep the subscription up.

Many thanks to @purplekow. The party was a great kick-off to the weekend. Very impressive spread of food, as well as fun and interesting men. Though I love any excuse to get naked, this was a really good one!

Another approach could be to just schedule a therapeutic session at first, not a sensual one. You could tell him who you are and congratulate him on launching his new venture, and say you'd like to support his endeavor if he's comfortable with that. On the face of it that would seem tame enough. Then in subsequent sessions if it feels right, things could progress to sensual, but if it doesn't feel right little will be lost since it was just a legit therapeutic massage.

I’ll be there as usual. Today thru Tuesday.

Welcome @TxDaddyBear. This forum has good things and bad things, and unfortunately you've been introduced to one of the bad things. I regret this has been your introduction to the forum. Like everywhere else on the internet there are mean girls - not too many fortunately, but those that are here make themselves known. There is indeed a market for bigger guys as well as older guys. Think of the Bearracuda parties. I used to dance at the SF Bearracuda events and loved seeing all the guys there, not to mention the big sexy gogo dancers. The biggest guys got the most tips too.

Here's a good illustration of why providers are staying away: Really, WTF?!? The only point of this thread was to be catty and cruel.