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I was at a bar today and they had Athletic on tap. We didn't try it, but will have to give it a try next time. It was the first time I'd seen a NA beer on tap.

I'm cautiously optimistic the trend will extend to men as well. Looking at the new models each month in PlaygirlPlus, the majority of them have full or moderately-trimmed bushes. However this could also be an editorial choice, as the creator of the site has said she said she wanted to bring back the masculinity of the models of the 70s through 90s.

Much like Mouse in Tales of the City, Anita Bryant was the impetus for my partner coming out to his family. His mother really liked Anita Bryant and wanted to go to Florida to march with her. So he told her he was gay. This was in 1970s rural Midwest so it was a big deal.

“Pieing” was a thing at the time, where people would lob pies in the faces of disliked public figures as a form of protest. Anita Bryant’s pieing became legendary.

That’s my experience. I have WhatsApp for those who want to use it, but within the US it’s pretty much only scams and flakes. I don’t think I’ve ever had a legit client contact me through WhatsApp in the US. Clients contact me either through regular SMS/MMS text or by phone. But when traveling overseas, WhatsApp is the primary mode and is used by legit clients. My guess is the primary privacy concerns clients have are to not reveal their true name to the escort, and not commingle their “hobby” with their regular stuff. So a virtual number or burner app is fine for that. I think there is less concern about communication being breached by others. But clients please chime in if I’m mistaken!

That’s correct. In theory it’s supposed to provide push notifications but that only happens about once every four blue moons. There’s an app for just the messenger, but it does not have push notifications, or if it does it doesn’t work. I check it manually a few times a day. It’s a bit faster and more convenient than opening up the site on a browser.

I believe I was at that dinner too! But we hadn’t met yet so I just remember a big table full of people I didn’t know. I attended stag and was so scared. It was the first Hooboy event I’d attended. At one point I went to the restroom and some of the other escorts were there. Nobody said anything to each other! Just peed and washed our hands in silence. I guess none of us knew each other and thought better of introducing ourselves. Fortunately I was sitting next to a very friendly guy who ended up hiring me on another trip I made to LA, so I can say I was able to do one little number at Numbers lol. Too bad the place is gone, really the end of an era.

This seems like a more reasonable assumption. Substitute a few less escort sessions for massages if the guy doesn’t offer massage. And I think for a lot of guys, they’d consider 8 sessions in a week to be a very good week.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I think the tax calculation is reversed in the example. If someone is grossing $336K but then paying 40% of that in taxes, $336,000 would be multiplied by 0.60 to achieve a net income of $201,600. But please enlighten me if I'm not understanding correctly. I'd agree the assumptions are a bit optimistic, but might not be too far off for a successful, well-established provider. More likely they're taking at least one day off per week but not taking four weeks vacation, so that would even out. Also if they're well established, they're more likely to have longer appointments but fewer of them. And there are probably some overnights in there somewhere. But overall, it would still average out to something close to your assumptions. As @Jamie21 mentions, there is a lot of overhead that would cut into the income. This would be the same for any self-employed person. In the US you also need to add in health insurance. Some guys most likely forego insurance, others perhaps are covered by their spouses who might have a salaried job. If I had to guess, I'd say a typical guy is making half this much. Which is decent, but not exactly rolling in it when considering the cost of living in NYC.

It sounds like here they may be recording the beatings to post on social media. The article doesn’t provide the specifics, so that’s just a guess. It’s dumb of the perps because they’re creating evidence. But sucks for the victims regardless.

You're right, I just checked the listings and a lot (most actually) are not listing rates. Seemed like more were showing rates when I was there last summer, but I could be imagining that. In any case, those that are showing rates tend to be clustering in the £250 - £300 range. Is that the range you're being quoted? As others have mentioned, some of these guys from overseas may know each other, so have agreed on a rate (call that collusion if you will). Or they may have someone managing their accounts. That type of management would not be unique to London though, particularly for guys who may have limited English.

That's a good point. One of you might see a hot guy and want to deviate from your rules in real time. My suggestion would be to agree to stick to the rules first time out. Then when you get home, talk about it and discuss if you might want to try something a bit different next time. I know in my own instance, my comfort level with group scenes changed over time.

I think a bath house could work. If you guys are just wanting to play with each other in public and be watched, that takes out the issue of some guys being interested in one of you and not the other (or vice versa, one of you being interested in a particular guy but the other not so much). Like @Simon Suraci says, my experience is most people are respective of boundaries. Having been to bath houses and sex clubs for many years now, I think people have indeed become more respectful of saying no. If you guys are just wanting to be watched, you can even say that to someone: "No thanks, we just like being watched, but you're welcome to watch!" But like @pubic_assistance says, I too like others joining in. When my guy and I go out, I'm much more open to others joining than he is... and as a result, I get more action. If a guy wants to suck my dick, who am I to say no? 🤣

Don’t knock it ‘til you try it. It can be a challenge to get past the mental block of doing it or having it done to, but there’s a lot of pleasure to be had down there. 😈

I agree with the others, it's a function that the rates are visible so guys set their rates in line with their peers. When I was in London last summer I had no idea what to charge, so looked at what everyone else was charging and set my rate in the middle. This is at least the case with escorts. For masseurs, I found way more variation. It would depend on the type of massage and the hotness of the masseur.

When I’m with a client my full focus is on him, so I don’t mention anything about my partner. But if he asks, then yes I let him know. My guy was also an escort and masseur once upon a time, and knowing that it somehow makes more sense to some clients.

For what it's worth, this is why I've always had a regular payroll gig alongside my escort work (except for a few years in the early aughts). It inhibits flexibility and availability to travel, but at least I know basic needs will be met. Escort income can cover those surprise expenses, or make life easier in an expensive city like SF. Fortunately in the new world of being able to work remotely (at least some of the time), the ability to travel has become easier.

This sounds like a fun gig. A couple of years ago I was hired by one of the bars in the Castro to be their event photographer for their NYE party. It was lots of fun, and I loved engaging with the patrons. It was also hard work, and I was exhausted at the end. I collected a few phone numbers, some from people who wanted to get copies of their pics, and others who wanted to hook up. I also exchanged contact info with one of the gogo dancers who wanted to get new pics for his socials. However with these contacts I didn't hawk my escort services, as it would have seemed out of context and might have reflected badly on the bar. So I'd think the one thing to think through (if you haven't already) is that if you give out your number, how will the guest know whether it's in the context of being for hire, versus interest in a hookup? Admittedly, it shouldn't be as big a surprise that the speedo-clad host is available for hire, but probably good to think through how this might play out. In any event, have fun!

Maybe if you’re not already, require them to confirm on day of? Like those text’s restaurants send asking for to reply “Y” to confirm. But I’d just chalk it up to December being lousy. I remember years ago a stereo store in Berkeley would end their ads “Come see us in Berkeley. No snow, but plenty of flakes!”

WOW right back at ya! I always wonder if people remember me from long ago, and I wonder what happened to guys I met all those years ago. Needless to say, I look a bit different these days than I did when I started!

December is a weird month, and this December seems especially weird. People are wrapped up with holiday stuff, and thereby flakey. I wouldn't base a change in business operations on this month alone. Maybe try with deposits for the rest of this month for new clients. Call it a deposit to hold the reservation during this "busy time." See how it goes and decide whether to keep at it or let it go once we're past the holidays.

When I was a young pup just getting started I advertised in the back of the Bay Area Reporter, with a line ad. No pic at all! Those were different times for sure.

I've been the "dinner date" for guys a few times, where we've met with their friends but he did not disclose the nature of our relationship. We'd agree to a cover story. I don't think this is a hugely unusual scenario, probably happens more than one might imagine. I'll admit these situations can be a bit weird, particularly the deceptive part. I know for the clients, they honestly want me to meet people they're close to, and I enjoy meeting them for sure, but I also wonder what those people are thinking of who this person (me) is and where did I really come from. Perhaps I'm just the latest guy to sit at the table, part of a long line of others before and after me 😉 I don't think those critical here are being judgy as much as they're just focusing on what happens if the best friend buddy finds out he's been deceived. I know when I've discovered when a friend has deceived me, it's put a damper on the relationship. Could there be a scenario where the hiring was more out in the open, along the lines of the Big Bang Theory clip? Probably not, unless you guys are really good friends, and he wouldn't be put off by the idea of hiring a guy. Another thought... impress your friend by approaching a guy you like in the bar and saying hello. For me, it's taken years to get the guts to do that myself... kinda like jumping into the chilly swimming pool, don't think about it, just dive in and do it.

For what it’s worth, RM does indeed start some of their texts with “hey”. When my most recent sponsor placement expired I got a text that read “Hey, RentMen Sponsor has been completed. RM Media”. Some texts start with “Hello”. But I haven't been asked to provide any other documentation... yet 🤨