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I've been that "wing" guy, and recommend that approach. It allows you to just focus on your enjoyment and not worry about the logistics. If there is a need to retrieve someone from the lobby, he can be the one to do it. The incentive for him is he gets paid for the longer appointment. As others have said, there is no issue with the guys overlapping and seeing each other. If one of them wants to stick around and participate with the next guy at the door, just be clear whether you will compensate him for the extra time. You could say something like you're welcome to stay, but I only brought enough cash for the one hour (or however long you've booked). As long as everyone is reasonably discreet and you keep noise under control, the hotels should not care. People book hotels to have sex, it's not a secret. Though I haven't done one of these group scenarios in a 5-star hotel, I've done plenty in respectable 4-stars like Marriott. And as been discussed, be realistic about your stamina. It can be a great fantasy to have a lineup of men coming to the door on the hour every hour, but most guys get worn out after the third guy or so. I like @liubit's suggestion of timing spread out over a slutty weekend.

His listing has expired, so maybe he's taking a break. I've done a couple of group appointments with him, and think really highly of him. I agree with everything @Wings246 says. Amazing hard bod, and that ass! One time I saw him he was clean shaven, the other time bearded, so if you have a preference you should check. I thought he was really hot both ways.

This would be my definition: But I wouldn't say just making out would count as losing virginity. So maybe it would be the first time you got into each others' pants...

Thanks for the insights and welcome to the forum! I’m sure lots of guys here would love to hear more about your experiences performing.

Thanks for the live reporting! Sounds like it was a fun evening.

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These days in the US you need to post a profile on either Rentmen or Rentmasseur (or both) to have clients find you. For escorting, Rentmen is the only show in town, so there's no way around it. Sure, there are some DL guys out and about on IG, X etc but unless you have a big following I'm not sure how well that would work. As @Jamie21 mentions, you can't use OF to set up meetings but it can help build a presence. Once you have your Rentmen/Rentmasseur profile set up, you can post a link in your signature here (like Jamie and I both have) so people can find out more about you. As others have suggested, if you participate here in the forums, people will get to know you and might hit you up for appointments. If you're not ready for any of this yet, you could also just provide some stats here... age, height, weight. There are a number of guys in LA on this site, so some might contact you directly. And yes, find a mentor! Especially if this is really new and you're not sure how to do an appointment. I've learned so much from other working guys.

So sorry to hear. He was indeed a fixture at the PS weekends, and will be missed. RIP.

Would this be more for just kicks, or are you wanting to start a bona fide cleaning business? Either is OK, but that will depend on how you approach this. If it's just for kicks, yes Rentmen and Craigslist are good options. Be prepared to get flagged on Craigslist as there are some prudish people there who like to flag listings, but just roll with it. If there is a gay newspaper or mag in your area you could try that too. They might have online classifieds. If this is meant to be a business for real, first you'll need to be sure you can indeed clean well, naked or not. Then you'll need to do a bunch of tedious stuff to get the business set up, but each thing is important to keep you out of possible trouble: Most cities require a business license, so check the local requirements. Typically not expensive. If you'll be a sole proprietor, you should file a fictitious business name/DBA (Doing Business As) with the County, and in most places that's required to be posted in a newspaper for a certain amount of time (very old fashioned, I know). The Clerk's office is usually really good about providing guidance on how to do this. It might make sense to file this first, before getting your business license, so you can include your DBA on the business license. Even less fun, but really important if you're making a real go of this, is to get insurance. If you break something, or someone slips on one of your just-cleaned floors, you could be liable for damages and that could get expensive. Also having insurance demonstrates you're a serious business. If you're really ambitious, you can form an Limited Liability Corporation (LLC) in lieu of going as a sole proprietor. I'm not an attorney so can't speak to all of the legal stuff, but this will provide you with an additional measure of protection between you and the business. I went through all this recently in forming a new business entity. DM me if you need any advice. Also maybe check with these guys at Gay Cleaning in Orlando. I'd stumbled on them when I was looking for cleaners here in SF. I don't know if they do naked cleaning, but they might be able to give you some pointers on the other aspects of the business.

The VIP ads have phone numbers, so maybe the VIP ads are legit but all the others are fakes. Fakes either to drive in new listings, or maybe some other scam. The VIP ads look more like real people, and some even have tattoos!

I scanned the San Francisco listings and there is not any resemblance to the listings I recognize from Rentmen. There’s a certain sameness to the photos that makes me think they’re AI generated. Biggest tell is that none - not a single one - has tattoos. I mean come on, in San Francisco?

I wouldn’t assume that necessarily. Checking the Daddy box on the into list could mean he’s into older guys, or is into a Daddy/“Son” scenario, and/or he considers himself a Daddy. Best just to ask!

Outside of this community here, just a couple know for sure that I escort. My husband knows (he once escorted himself) and I share everything with him. Then there is a bodyworker I see every couple of weeks, and we talk shop. I've mentioned it to my doc and he was unfazed, but after all he's a gay MD in San Francisco. I do wonder if others know, and just haven't said anything. That's always in the back of my mind. Quite some time ago I wrote an essay about it here. Have a look if you have nothing better to do! 😛

I agree with @Jamie21 and @SecretProvider, I think the intent is to minimize the transactional nature and just focus on the quality of the experience overall. I'd say that's especially true in the context of a BFE date. Most will either leave the cash somewhere visible (either in an envelope or exposed), or discreetly place it into my hand or pocket. I get the sense the client also wants to keep it discreet, so I just say thank you and wait until later to count it. Some clients will count it out, or ask for me to count it out, but that's rare. And I can't remember the last time (or any time?) I've been shorted. The rise of the payment apps makes it more transactional though if the payment is made during the appointment. There is the need to ask for the payment handle, or provide the QR code, and most clients want to see confirmation that the payment has gone through. I'm fine with all that, but that's quite different than the discreet handover of cash. It is a transaction after all, one all of us here feel is fair and without shame, so in respects that's a positive thing that we can just be open and up front about it. I have one regular client who sends the electronic payment right before the appointment, which is nice since then it's all sorted and done so the appointment can end without the transactional aspect. Of course that requires trust, but since we're regulars it works.