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I wouldn’t assume that necessarily. Checking the Daddy box on the into list could mean he’s into older guys, or is into a Daddy/“Son” scenario, and/or he considers himself a Daddy. Best just to ask!

Outside of this community here, just a couple know for sure that I escort. My husband knows (he once escorted himself) and I share everything with him. Then there is a bodyworker I see every couple of weeks, and we talk shop. I've mentioned it to my doc and he was unfazed, but after all he's a gay MD in San Francisco. I do wonder if others know, and just haven't said anything. That's always in the back of my mind. Quite some time ago I wrote an essay about it here. Have a look if you have nothing better to do! 😛

I agree with @Jamie21 and @SecretProvider, I think the intent is to minimize the transactional nature and just focus on the quality of the experience overall. I'd say that's especially true in the context of a BFE date. Most will either leave the cash somewhere visible (either in an envelope or exposed), or discreetly place it into my hand or pocket. I get the sense the client also wants to keep it discreet, so I just say thank you and wait until later to count it. Some clients will count it out, or ask for me to count it out, but that's rare. And I can't remember the last time (or any time?) I've been shorted. The rise of the payment apps makes it more transactional though if the payment is made during the appointment. There is the need to ask for the payment handle, or provide the QR code, and most clients want to see confirmation that the payment has gone through. I'm fine with all that, but that's quite different than the discreet handover of cash. It is a transaction after all, one all of us here feel is fair and without shame, so in respects that's a positive thing that we can just be open and up front about it. I have one regular client who sends the electronic payment right before the appointment, which is nice since then it's all sorted and done so the appointment can end without the transactional aspect. Of course that requires trust, but since we're regulars it works.

Thanks for sharing this. Although it’s about a woman and she works at a brothel, there was a lot that resonated for me here. It’s a very insightful read. But damn, those rates they can charge! I know women sexworkers may more than their male counterparts, but wow. More power to them!

Those of you who are on the Adonis LA email list will have received news today that Adonis LA has officially ended. For those who did not receive the email, here's the "Fond Farewell" from Matt Adonis: What a journey it has been my friends! From our humble beginnings in 2013 up through half of 2025 we created a legendary period of time that will forever go down in history as, well, LEGENDARY. From expansions to Long Beach, Las Vegas, Phoenix, Palm Springs, we built a brand that became synonymous with flawlees physical perfection, awesome, fun, crazy, ridiculous, insane, inane, unbelievable, surreal, comical, challenging, overwhelming, laughable, and so many other adjectives just take your pick or add to the list. The stories, experiences, shows, parties, all of it became such an incredible force of nature that Adonis LA took on a life of its own and became the best gay show in LA for about a decade. From full SWAT Team and helicopter raids at Nude Parties to death defying car pools to Palm Springs (yes a dancer once threatened to light a carload of fellow dancers on fire at a gas station), there was never a shortage of drama or comical stories to give a little glimpse into the behind the scenes of all the craziness or to lighten the day with a good read or a good laugh for all our fans and followers. But, as we all know, nothing that great can last forever, and like so many things after covid, we were just never able to really bounce back. Despite re-starts at State Social House, Tempo (one-and-done) and even Revolver in the heart of WeHo, too much had changed and the landscape was just never the same to be able to recapture the magic. Nude Party venues became unaffordable, talent migrated to Only Fans and overall customer enthusiasm and turnouts just nose-dived into unsustainability. For the past 6 months I've been "temporarily" in NY as all of Tim's and my main businesses are here which have been and are requiring both of our full efforts and attention. So the Adonis LA chapter must officially close as I relocate back to NY. That being said, all hope is not lost!! Adonis NYC Nude Parties and pop-up shows are still great and worth keeping on your radar whether passing through NYC or making a trip out of it, Adonis lives on via Adonis NYC! If you would like to be added to that email list just let me know and we'll happily accommodate.

Talk about a hot lunch!

Though technically he's on the cover (of a virtual magazine), they don't credit him, or show his face or dick. Basically they just use his body to illustrate an article about women embracing Big Dick Energy (BDE) for themselves: https://playgirl.com/features/big-dick-energy-is-for-the-girls-actually/ But that body is impressive! And I kinda liked the article too. As far as I can tell, Playgirl is not being published in hard copy. They made a big thing a few years ago about going back into print, but it looks like they only published one issue. Otherwise it's an online website/magazine. Maybe the print thing was just a publicity thing to get them into the news and bring in subscribers for their virtual stuff. I subscribe to the companion Playgirl Plus website, which has the naked guys. They have a new guy each month, plus a bunch of archived stuff going back to the beginning. I like it well enough to keep the subscription up.

Many thanks to @purplekow. The party was a great kick-off to the weekend. Very impressive spread of food, as well as fun and interesting men. Though I love any excuse to get naked, this was a really good one!

Another approach could be to just schedule a therapeutic session at first, not a sensual one. You could tell him who you are and congratulate him on launching his new venture, and say you'd like to support his endeavor if he's comfortable with that. On the face of it that would seem tame enough. Then in subsequent sessions if it feels right, things could progress to sensual, but if it doesn't feel right little will be lost since it was just a legit therapeutic massage.

I’ll be there as usual. Today thru Tuesday.

Welcome @TxDaddyBear. This forum has good things and bad things, and unfortunately you've been introduced to one of the bad things. I regret this has been your introduction to the forum. Like everywhere else on the internet there are mean girls - not too many fortunately, but those that are here make themselves known. There is indeed a market for bigger guys as well as older guys. Think of the Bearracuda parties. I used to dance at the SF Bearracuda events and loved seeing all the guys there, not to mention the big sexy gogo dancers. The biggest guys got the most tips too.

Here's a good illustration of why providers are staying away: Really, WTF?!? The only point of this thread was to be catty and cruel.

I think part of this is a trend away from online discussion forums like this overall. In a way this is a relic from another age, the early age of the internet. Now there are so many other diversions, particularly social media. I tell both clients and other escorts about this site, and usually I get a blank stare that indicates no interest. Or a half-hearted "I'll check it out" but no follow through. Unfortunately for some providers, their introduction to this site is not positive. There will be a discussion of a guy in the Deli or Spa section, and people will pile on with nasty comments. Then someone from this forum (for reasons I'll never understand) contacts the provider to let him know what's happening. The poor guy is mortified, sets up an account to defend himself, but then is never heard from again. There is a sense from some posters here that "if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen" and so they leave the kitchen. Who needs that kind of grief in their life? Providers being providers, they'll also want to know what's in this for them. Will they get clients from this site? Hard to tell. So if they're looking at this as something transactional, the upside is questionable. For me, I enjoy the discussions and have enjoyed the many interesting people I've met on here, but I can't say it's been a huge boost to business. Don't get me wrong, I have met some wonderful clients here, and I'm grateful for that! They tend to be the best of the best. But the vast bulk of my clientele come from Rentmen, and they've never heard of this site. All that said I enjoy my time here, but also recognize I'm unusual. The question of how to get more working guys participating here has been ongoing, and I'm not sure what the answer is. Hopefully my remarks here don't sound too cynical or jaded, it's just my take on things.

When I get a massage I tip the same whether it's a spa or the guy's own place. Somewhere around 20%. The spa I go to provides an envelope with the masseur's name on it, and you drop it into a box on the way out, so hopefully that means they're not skimming off the tips. But I can't really control what happens to the tips in a spa, so just hope the masseur gets compensated fairly. To @jeezifonly's points, the spa covers the overhead, but the pay tends to be way less than what the spa charges. This is true of trainers at gyms too... my trainer at Equinox let me know what their compensation structure was, and it was surprising how small a percentage they get from what the gym charges, unless they have lots of clients. But having overhead covered and a good place to conduct business is significant too. So if you think about it, the masseur in the spa has his overhead covered, but is being paid less. The guy with his own place is keeping his entire fee, but needs to cover his overhead including providing a decent place for business. Maybe that's a spare bedroom, and that has a cost associated with it. So I'd say the same amount for tips regardless.

Yes! Same thing happened to me. It was 5th or 6th grade, and the coach told us we all needed to get jocks. I had to go with my mom to buy one. I still remember going to the drug store with her and it being so awkward. And yet, they never checked to see if anyone was wearing their jocks. I don't think we even changed out of our street clothes for PE at that age, so there was no enforcement and I never wore it again. In middle school we did not have a proper locker room. They adapted a classroom into a changing room instead. Guys would line the walls, and most faced the wall as they changed. So nobody was naked and no showers. In high school there were showers but nobody used them. This was the mid 80s. The exception was a couple of times where a bold upperclassman would shower. Maybe it was my imagination, but when the guys showered, the locker room got a hush, like people were a bit shocked. The locker room in the second high school I went to had the showers in the middle of the locker room and the lockers on the walls surrounding, so everyone at their lockers would get a view of the showers. So if a guy was showering, he was there for all to see. Never saw any of the coaches shower, but as others have mentioned at their schools, there were windows from the coaches' office into the locker room so they could make sure there were no shenanigans. In retrospect it was pretty nasty that we'd go from PE directly to class without showering. I'm sure the teachers hated it. But also they didn't really give us enough time to shower between the end of PE activities and the next class. Plus, it was the 80s and I had a big 80s hairdo, so I couldn't get that wet in a shower! lol