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I was thinking the same thing. Could he get it back?

Yes I remember him, if it’s the same guy I thinking of. On his website he had some photos of himself taken by a famous photographer. Very sexy guy. No idea whatever happened to him.

I’d suggest doing it in reverse. Hire him first as an escort, then ask if you could work out with him as a trainer. Maybe less fun in terms of building fantasy tension, but it puts all the cards on the table from the get-go and avoids unwelcome surprises.

My apologies @SirBillybob, I did not mean to cause offense. Quite the opposite, I have been and continue to be impressed with your literary skills. I thought "Clod's" methodical line-by-line analysis was amusing so wanted to share, but yes poor Clod did not have the benefit of knowing the full commercial sex work context. I suppose he would have shown me the door had he known. Escrow for escorts? I think you might be onto something... 😉

Lol welcome to the wonderful world of @SirBillybob. I asked Claude to provide me with an interpretation. Here's what it gave me... but perhaps this is even more confusing: This passage is dense and somewhat convoluted, but here's what it's saying: Main point: In whatever situation the writer is describing, there's no escrow mechanism available, and that absence causes problems. Breaking it down: Sentence 1: Escrow normally lets two parties who don't fully trust each other share risk. A neutral holder keeps the resource/payment until both sides fulfill their obligations, which creates a safety net. The writer says that option isn't available here. (The phrasing "reciprocal yet natural mistrust" just means both parties distrust each other, which is a normal starting point in a deal.) Sentence 2: "Escrow principles are not front-led by rigidity" means escrow isn't fundamentally about rigid rules; it's actually meant to enable flexibility. Sentence 3: If escrow were available, there'd be more room to exchange resources, negotiate, and hold contracts in a pending state until terms are met. Sentence 4 (the confusing one): "There is scope for any of that without those guardrails" seems to mean the writer thinks those activities (exchange, negotiation, holding) could happen even without escrow's protections, though this reads ambiguously. It might also be a typo for "there is no scope." Sentence 5: Without escrow, their trade limitations end up restricting them, and the lack exposes the uncomfortable truth underlying escrow: that it exists precisely because people don't trust each other. Sentence 6: "Life is imperfect" is a resigned closing note, accepting that they'll have to work without this tool. The gist: We have no escrow here, which is a shame because escrow would give us more flexibility and safety. Its absence constrains our trading and lays bare the mutual distrust that escrow is designed to paper over.

When I was younger, that melancholy was mixed with a sense of guilt and remorse. Fortunately that's all behind me, but there's still definitely a mood reset that happens. And yes, I start thinking about food!

He left the stuff at your place, he should have come back and picked it up. You were generous to have met him half way - that speaks better to your good nature rather than his.

What is soundbath massage? I think if you have a unique offering, go for it!

We’re in the midst of “fogust” in San Francisco. Gray, cool/cold, windy most of the day, though the sun might break through in the afternoon for a bit. So if anyone needs a break from sweltering heat, you’ll happily freeze your ass off here…

Agreed, poppers aren’t considered PNP, they’re pretty much in a category by themselves and more commonly used than you might think. Just ask the guy if he’s ok with you using them. From time to time guys will ask me to pick some up for them as they don’t want to buy them themselves. I’ll just buy a small bottle and give it to the guy still sealed and unopened.

I've been that "wing" guy, and recommend that approach. It allows you to just focus on your enjoyment and not worry about the logistics. If there is a need to retrieve someone from the lobby, he can be the one to do it. The incentive for him is he gets paid for the longer appointment. As others have said, there is no issue with the guys overlapping and seeing each other. If one of them wants to stick around and participate with the next guy at the door, just be clear whether you will compensate him for the extra time. You could say something like you're welcome to stay, but I only brought enough cash for the one hour (or however long you've booked). As long as everyone is reasonably discreet and you keep noise under control, the hotels should not care. People book hotels to have sex, it's not a secret. Though I haven't done one of these group scenarios in a 5-star hotel, I've done plenty in respectable 4-stars like Marriott. And as been discussed, be realistic about your stamina. It can be a great fantasy to have a lineup of men coming to the door on the hour every hour, but most guys get worn out after the third guy or so. I like @liubit's suggestion of timing spread out over a slutty weekend.

His listing has expired, so maybe he's taking a break. I've done a couple of group appointments with him, and think really highly of him. I agree with everything @Wings246 says. Amazing hard bod, and that ass! One time I saw him he was clean shaven, the other time bearded, so if you have a preference you should check. I thought he was really hot both ways.

This would be my definition: But I wouldn't say just making out would count as losing virginity. So maybe it would be the first time you got into each others' pants...

Thanks for the insights and welcome to the forum! I’m sure lots of guys here would love to hear more about your experiences performing.