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When I was a young twink escort (all those years ago) there were significant age gaps with nearly all the clients. A 39-year old client would have been on the younger side; most were nearly old enough to be my grandfather. It goes with the territory and a young escort will understand that, otherwise he won’t make it. 
As others have mentioned, a lot of younger guys like older guys, so they can be a natural fit for escorting. I know I really enjoyed my time with those older gentlemen despite (or perhaps because of) the big age gap. 

I love twinks and twunks, but I think Nate looks incredible. There is definitely a market for his look.

When I was a young twink escort (all those years ago) there were significant age gaps with nearly all the clients. A 39-year old client would have been on the younger side; most were nearly old enough to be my grandfather. It goes with the territory and a young escort will understand that, otherwise he won’t make it. 
As others have mentioned, a lot of younger guys like older guys, so they can be a natural fit for escorting. I know I really enjoyed my time with those older gentlemen despite (or perhaps because of) the big age gap. 

When I was a young twink escort (all those years ago) there were significant age gaps with nearly all the clients. A 39-year old client would have been on the younger side; most were nearly old enough to be my grandfather. It goes with the territory and a young escort will understand that, otherwise he won’t make it. 
As others have mentioned, a lot of younger guys like older guys, so they can be a natural fit for escorting. I know I really enjoyed my time with those older gentlemen despite (or perhaps because of) the big age gap. 

Still pc liberal bs. standards exist. 

Unless he is honest and tells you that he has another appointment before or after  - you should have no way of knowing during your session. 
If he is honest and tells you when you ask and you know it upsets you to hear it, don't ask. 
 

I offered to look up a providers profile for someone here who was asking for help assessing it and have been receiving requests to do so for others DAILY now (some people haven't even said 'please') so I thought I would post a little 'how to assess and hire' guide and just send the link. 
Disclaimer - *none of this is fool-proof and there is always inherent risk in anything you do. You can walk outside and be struck by lightning today.  Please do not comment with 'whataboutisms' or tales of woe on this thread. I don’t care and I won’t read it. 
 
1. VPN
Use a VPN to view the rentmen site so you can read the text in the reviews. Pages of discussions of what VPN is best are on this site. I recommend Privado which is subscription based, but I use a VPN whenever I turn on my computer or phone.  There is a free site - nl.hideproxy.me that works however you must use Chrome browser on laptop. 
2. REVIEWS
Look at who has left the reviews. Check the client profiles. Did they open the account at a similar time to the provider, or have they been on rentmen for years? Have they left many reviews? Has one provider got 15 reviews but 7 are from the same person? Do they have lots of great reviews and then one bad one? Have a look at the person who left the bad reviews profile - has the person that left the bad review left lots of bad reviews for other guys too? 
Reach out and send a message to clients that have left reviews and ask some questions. Don't ask for a blow-by-blow account- just ask brief question that is relevant for you. eg. Does he have a nice place to host? Did he kiss?)  
Search the providers name here on Company of Men. If you find no threads - start a 411 thread and ask if anyone has experience. This is a GREAT way to see if a 'new' provider is actually a name changer, and just a new profile. This site is a cesspool at times, but it can also be a great resource. Help add to the resource. If you are interested, it's likely someone else is too! Please remember if someone posts a 411 thread about a guy who you don't like the look of - move on! no need to yuk on other peoples yum. 
How many reviews does this person have compared to how long they have been on the site. Keeping in mind – guys located in big cities will have more clients, reviews can only be left by premium members now, and so newer guys take a little longer to get some. Some guys only work this as a side hustle and also might not have as many reviews. 
3. PHOTOS
Have a look at when the photos were uploaded, are any recent? You can see the date added, there should be photos from at least this year. Does it look like any pics were massively photoshopped or changed?  Do they have at least 10 photos? 
If they have blurred face on their profile, are they willing to send via other means? For eg snapchat, whatsapp, facetime. If they are not willing to do this, it is a BIG RED FLAG.  
4. PNP
Does the provider list PNP? If so, what does that even mean?  My advice is to steer clear from providers, or people in general, who do hard drugs. If you like the look of the provider anyway, reach out ask 'what does PNP mean for you?' The results will vary. Some may say 'oh I like to sometimes take gummies' 'I like to do coke' 'I like to do Tina', 'I don't party but I don't mind if you do'. A good rule is: Only go with providers that do the same level of partying as you do yourself. 
OK SO YOU FINALLY CHOSE THE GUY YOU WANT TO MEET- NOW WHAT?
5. Messaging 
When reaching out - Be direct, polite and clear. Use this template - 
Hello, my name is (desired name) 
I'm in (desired city) and I would like to get together with you (Desired date and time) 
I'm interested in (incall/outcall) and doing (desired information) 
Don't message 'hi how are you?' and nothing else. While that may seem fine to message a friend or someone on a dating app, you wouldn't reach out to another service provider (hairdresser, doctor, cleaner, realtor, chef) and just wait for a reply to that. We don't have time to reply to every message that says "hey".
Please don't say 'I’m looking for fun.' 'I want to feel good.' 'I want to relax'. Its lame and it tells us nothing. Tell us exactly what you are interested in.  
If you use this template you WILL get a good response. Especially of you text it. 
 
6. READ. THE. PROFILE
It's extremely frustrating and annoying when 'clients' reach out and ask questions where the answer is clearly written on the profile. 'How tall are you?' "Do you host?' 'Are you cut or uncut' 'do you top' All of the stats, positions, likes and interests, current city + travel dates - there is a wealth of infomation on our profiles, it will save you time to have a quick read! 
Don't ever message and ask 'What are you into?'  It is not relevant and reeks of someone wanting jerk off material. For providers, it is a huge red flag when ‘clients’ message this.
 
7. Communicate what you are looking for. 
Say what you want. We are not mind readers. We have heard it ALL I assure you. 
 
8. Deposits. 
Deposits. To be or not to be - that is the question! Loathe to hear anyone else opinion on this - don't message me I literally do not care what you have to say- I'm just giving my take as I have been asked about it many times now, that doesn't mean I am asking for yours. 
1. New providers should not be asking for deposits.  
2. You should not be sending a deposit to someone who has no reviews. 
3. Same day in-call appointments should not require a deposit.
4. We do receive a huge amount of fake bookings and if you are wanting an outcall - providing an uber if asked is not unreasonable for a new provider to ensure it is YOU who is not a scammer/flake/pranker. 
If, and only IF -  the provider does have plenty of reviews both here and on rentmen, a SMALL deposit is fine, but really nothing more than $50. If you are wanting an overnight, or the provider to travel a great distance - it is reasonable that small amount would be ratioed taking the distance/time into account.  For eg, I do ask for  the equivalent of 1hr fee as deposit if I am to be booked for overnight, traveling interstate or internationally. 
Some factual background - I require all new clients to send minimal deposit and it has not reduced my workload at all.  The only change I experienced was the rate of cancelations has since reduced to almost zero. (last year only 2 cancellations/no shows the whole YEAR) This year after seeing all the nonsense posted on these boards by Couch Critics, Monday Morning Quarterbacks and just total Clowns - I stopped requesting them for new clients just to see what would happen. The result of the experiment was shocking even to me. A cancelation/ghosting rate of 65% for that month. This percentage rate increased when it was a client who messaged ONLY from rentmen messenger, or a burner phone number (yes we can tell if you are using a burner phone). Whilst the vast majority of people who use this forum are the real deal, please understand that if you say 'just trust me I am coming' the truth is – the stats show that you are more than likely not. 
If you are reaching out to a new provider - they have not earned the rank of being able to request deposits. Ask them if they have no deposit options instead – perhaps for a same day in-call appointment may work. If you are reaching out to an established provider, they may have no-deposit options you can do as well. If you are wanting a longer booking, or for the provider to hold a spot open for you on the just the promise that you will arrive and not a deposit - you may be out of luck. 
A well-reviewed provider will not runway with your $50 when they can make $300 or more by actually seeing you -  and maybe make a new regular client out of you (our best hope!).  
 
9.  Have fun. Be Safe. Use Commonsense. 

So much to do in four hours.  This is a possible schedule for such an event, but you should feel free to skip certain activities or add others as needs arise.
19:00 - 19:05  Arrival and introduction
19:06 - 19:15  Light refreshments - pre-entertainment
19:16 - 19:25  National anthem
19:26 - 19:30  Disrobing ceremony
19:31 - 19:45  Light petting
19:45 - 20:00  Heavy petting
20:01 - 20:10  Petting zoo - Bring out the Yak!
20:11 - 20:15  Banjo break
20:16 - 20:30  Oral engagements
20:31 - 20:40  Oral arguements
20:41 - 20:59  Let X = Sqrt(4761)
21:00 - 21:05  The selection of lubricants
21:06 - 21:30  Rear guard action - Phase I
21:31 - 21:35  Banjo Break
21:36 - 22:00  Rear guard action - Phase II
22:01 - 22:05  Electric Main Street Parade and Fireworks
22:06 - 22:10  Hot towels
22:11 - 22:30  Snoodling
22:31 - 22:40  Room service with Snoodling
22:41 - 22:50  The Scouring of the Shire (Showering)
22:51 - 22:55  The Fiddling of the Payment Apps
22:56 - 23:00  Departure Ceremony

^Are there really men who only want eight minutes of banjo?! 😮 To each his own I guess.... 🙄

On longer sessions there's usually dinner or drinks either before or after. Or as a break in between. Some of my favorite appointments have been where we do a quickie when I arrive, then go out for dinner, then come back for a longer session.
@Jamie21 has great suggestions as well. Showering together can be a great icebreaker or interlude, as can massage.

On longer sessions there's usually dinner or drinks either before or after. Or as a break in between. Some of my favorite appointments have been where we do a quickie when I arrive, then go out for dinner, then come back for a longer session.
@Jamie21 has great suggestions as well. Showering together can be a great icebreaker or interlude, as can massage.

The stern warning will have been issued by Onlyfans. They don’t want performers to meet with fans. It’s because of prostitution. They allow exchanges of contact details between creators because that’s how collaboration is fostered but definitely not from fans. The creator won’t be allowed to (or won’t want to risk their OF profile being suspended) if they offer contact details. Best to try via the creators X or BSky or other platform to make contact. 

My doctor didn't even ask me how often I jerked off... He just told me that I should stop masturbating.  I asked "Do I need to stop masturbating forever?". To which he replied, "No, just until I leave the room."

Whether you're a daddy, a "daddy", both, or just fans of them. Have a happy one today. I work in the Summer on Sundays at a tourist attraction, hoping to see more than a few.
Looking into the history of the holiday, I take pride in being slightly older than daddy's day itself!

Happy Father's Day to all the other fathers (single, married or otherwise) out there!  My son's birthday was yesterday.  He turned right around today and wished me a Happy Father's Day.  😁  He turned out okay.  

Thanks for sharing your experience, and welcome to the forum! 

I only do this for my favorites and of course there are good reasons why they become my favorites.  For a few, I even get to know them well enough that I know the exact dates of their birthdays (and yes, that means I know their real ages).
My rationale for gifts: oftentimes, I’m “socially coerced” into contributing to a coworker’s wedding / baby shower gift.  It is considered impolite and/or socially inept to not participate even though I barely know this so-called coworker.  If I am doing this for an almost stranger, why should I hesitate to do the same for someone who shares such unspeakably intimate moments with me?
I am a lazy and uncreative gifter.  So gift cards are the easiest solutions.  That said, I do pay close attention to my favorites’ hobbies and likes/dislikes and pick the types of gift cards that suit their preferences (e.g. movies, music, sports, electronics).  And when I run out of ideas, Amazon never fails!

As a provider, I of course don’t have birthdays annually; I age a year every 5 years, so when it does eventually come around to adding 1 to my age then it’s a BIG DEAL and I expect a nice gift. OK? 

I send a polite, simple, and sincere “Happy Birthday” text.
Two years in a row with no response? I move on.

I've been told something about me (personality, my face) makes it easy for people to talk to me. Some of the stuff I've heard is tragic and some of it the most uplifting.

Like the previous posters have mentioned, I have been told/asked a number of things by providers that isn't something necessarily part of a hiring session. Like about some of the horrible encounters or general bad behavior by clients, but also the positive stuff as well. Even shown awful messages from potential clients who never intended to hire the provider in the first place. I have had providers talk about their significant others (both good and bad)... their families... and other struggles or highlights they might have. I've even had providers trying to get me to hire their SO's. One even offered to bring his SO along for free, at no additional charge, because he trusted me. (His words not mine. I didn't take him up on the offer though.) I've heard it all.
Do I feel guilty in any way? Absolutely not. For one, I'm used to people spilling their guts to me... whether I know them well or not. However, if someone I know and like/love does it, to me it's a sign of the trust they have in me. I see it as a honor in some ways. They put their emotional trust in me which more often than not, as @Nue2thegame stated, the "relationship was strengthened". It is why I think over the years a number of the guys who have retired from providing I still talk to or see on some level.
If you feel guilty in some way because how bad other clients have treated the provider. That I understand and I sympathize. It is and can be a very tough business for provider and client alike.

Thank you for your wonderful reply. It makes me feel better for sure and gives me some insight into why he felt comfortable sharing that with me. 

20% retention rate isn’t bad. You’ve only been going a year, needs longer. It takes ages to build a regular client base.
You say you use a script post session. I wouldn’t do that. A script feels like a hard sell. Have a few messages you’d like to get over but do it in a personal way that is tuned towards the client. You need to get to know them at a more personal level. My guess is they feel ‘sold to’ and massage (whatever the style) is a very personal one to one service. Make it so they feel you see them as a whole person not another client. Contact them after the session to see how the session improved their pain (tell them you’ll do a follow up call in a week or so and are they ok with that?). You’ll get re bookings on those calls (but don’t force it). 
Also I think offering a one hour session is a good idea. People want to try you out before committing to a longer session. You could do the 1 hour and then offer the next 90m at a reduced rate. That reduces the barrier of the unknown for them and gives them the full experience at a reduced cost. Once you build in them the habit of coming back they’ll come back more. 
Business courses aren’t the place to learn this stuff. Learn it by doing. Ask the 20% of customers who do come back why they do so. Ask all your customers how they found you and what made them book. Listen to your customers. The answers are there , not in a business course. That would be a waste of money and time. 
Basically the number one rule is know who your customer is, understand what they want, and give it to them in a way that is satisfying but leaves space for more. In everything think of your customer first. You don’t go wrong if you think about who they are and what they want. Oh and whilst you’ll get great advice on business on here from successful providers (☺️) your client base is unlikely to be on here….
 
 

Welcome @TxDaddyBear. This forum has good things and bad things, and unfortunately you've been introduced to one of the bad things. I regret this has been your introduction to the forum. Like everywhere else on the internet there are mean girls - not too many fortunately, but those that are here make themselves known.
There is indeed a market for bigger guys as well as older guys. Think of the Bearracuda parties. I used to dance at the SF Bearracuda events and loved seeing all the guys there, not to mention the big sexy gogo dancers. The biggest guys got the most tips too. 

Outside of this community here, just a couple know for sure that I escort. My husband knows (he once escorted himself) and I share everything with him. Then there is a bodyworker I see every couple of weeks, and we talk shop. I've mentioned it to my doc and he was unfazed, but after all he's a gay MD in San Francisco. 
I do wonder if others know, and just haven't said anything. That's always in the back of my mind. 
Quite some time ago I wrote an essay about it here. Have a look if you have nothing better to do! 😛

I wouldn’t assume that necessarily. Checking the Daddy box on the into list could mean he’s into older guys, or is into a Daddy/“Son” scenario, and/or he considers himself a Daddy. Best just to ask!