Rate question (no its not what you think)

[Jarrod_Uncut]

15 hours ago, Monarchy79 said:

You forgot to mention your mandatory deposit. 
😎😝

I didn’t forget, I just didn’t see the need to. Neither should you 🛑 

 

[Jamie21]

12 hours ago, purplekow said:

 I raise the option that a client may truly not be able to afford the cost but is so enamored of the provider that he is hoping to have an opportunity to meet with him. For this, the potential client is willing to debase himself by asking for a more affordable price.  

That’s one way of looking at it!  I’d say if you’re that enamoured then pony up the money 😂.

For me it sometimes happens that he sends a pic and expects I’ll be so attracted to it that I’ll offer services for free. But in those instances it’s a ‘no sorry, this isn’t Grindr’. However I do sometimes suggest to those guys that if they’re happy to be filmed as a volunteer in my massage porn movies on justforfans then that’s  possible (subject to release forms etc). 

[jackcali]

On 4/5/2024 at 2:50 AM, Lohengrin1979 said:

I’m in the “no haggling” camp. Having done contract work in the past, nothing set my teeth on edge more than someone asking for me to lower the monetary value of my services for this, that, or the other. If, on the rare occasion when I HAD to accept the lower rate, you can rest assured that the client received diminished efforts commensurate with their haggled rate.

This is my view too.  I've been haggled with in my professional life, and I know how much that experience diminishes my attitude toward that client.  So on the other side, if a provider quotes me a number, it's a yes/no decision for me.  Haggling makes the interaction all about the money, which of course it is but I'd rather not have that in the front of my mind, and I don't want to risk  annoying the provider.  When I meet a non-pro provider (on seeking, for example), I ask them for a number that is meaningful to them because i want them to be happy with the arrangement, but I also tell them that if it's acceptable, I'll agree to it, but if it's not, we're done.  That keeps them from asking for a ridiculous number and negotiating down, which would just piss me off anyway, but it also gives them a number that they acknowledge is satisfactory. 

 

[cany10011]

13 hours ago, purplekow said:

Clearly you are fishing in deeper waters than I do.  But then again I usually fish the same old familiar holes.  

Sometimes the familiar holes are better. I agree with you on that But I get bored easily....

Edited April 6 by cany10011

[marylander1940]

On 4/4/2024 at 5:44 PM, BeefyDude said:

Appreciate that... historically I have always tipped the same amount regardless $20 which many appreciate (its the thought that counts)

However, how that you can't get a masseur for under 160-180 and 200 seems to be the norm, i don't tip any more.  Hell they are getting 100% of the fee

I will gently ask about his rate.  I HAVE had luck with this.  I mean some money is better than no money

But as mentioned no table, paid parking and a $200 rate - there has to be some wiggle room there i hope

Have you thought about parking a few blocks away and walk to him? 

If you want a legitimate massage and a table must be included instead of a bed, I would simply take my business somewhere else. 

If $40 or $20 makes such a difference in a budget, getting a regular for a lower price might another choice.

[cany10011]

7 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

When it comes down to it: if someone asked the average basketballer, movie actor, or “hot executive” for a paid fling, their prices would be something astronomical 🌙 ☀️ 

Granted $1,000 isn’t the typical price for an hour with an escort, however: it’s not unheard of throughout the overall industry with women and especially NYC. I have never worked the NYC market so I simply can’t comment on what’s usual or expected. But from just overall hearsay over time: any price would likely go. 
 

I’ll also add: if you’re visiting someone, whether escort or client, it’s hardly ever necessary to use hotel parking downtown. However, I know the annoyances of trying to find parking in places like DC (your hotel actually had very easy parking that night…But my friend’s hotel closer to downtown, I was parking around the block, and paying something like $20 a day on the stupid parking app lol). Also Orlando hotel resorts often have no other options to park: except for their garages. There’s been times I’ve left with $40 subtracted from my rate, after a few hours or overnight. Denver street parking is super manipulative: you have to read 3 signs just to figure out whether it’s okay to park. By then, you’ve already gotten a ticket, maybe even a boot 🔐 lol. 
 

The massage table debate often comes up but: it’s all down to Preference. I personally don’t feel a massage table is any easier than a well structured bed (there’s also ways to simulate a massage table but, I won’t reveal all my knowledge). Plus the phobia of a table collapsing, was  always on my mind. And like you said: I’m not carrying a table around, hotel to hotel, City to city. It’s too much. I already have lots of luggage, a table would be the equivalent to a pet crate. Not to mention the potential of being seen doing “business” out of a hotel, is not desired to be obvious.

But again, to each is own. That’s just my preference. Like I say, it sucks that sites like Adam 4 Adam have essentially gotten rid of “escort” and changed for massage. Also some people are so afraid of repercussions, that they’ll reach out to Masseur ads first, or say they’re looking for a massage, but have their Dick and ass included. Escort seems to be a term being phased out, thanks to politics 🤫 

There's a market for everything and everyone. I think NYC has too many providers and it's hard to weed through them (the search function is good), but still hard to find someone I like and when I do, I don't mind paying their rate... but i think 1000 is still too much. Most regulars range between 350 to 800. So, his reduced rate of 500 fit within my expectation. The asking for a tip was a major turnoff though and probably will hinder me from seeing him again. 

Edited April 6 by cany10011

[Capitano]

Honestly, I am not a big fan of this subforum, the original post was about masseurs and I think it should have stayed there. We are mixing apples and oranges here, it's a little difficult to follow.

[Rod Hagen]

This is a fun thread.  My instinct is always to raise my eyebrows when I hear a non-thai massage is on a bed.  It seems unprofessional and is horrible for the Masseur's posture, and therefore his spine, muscles, and connective tissue.  BUT there are many masseurs who do bed-only massages for years and years, and so who am I to say, "OY, your aching back!" 

This term "wiggle room" is a wonderful euphemism for haggling in the context of massage because how many of us were imagining a finger pressed on a prostate when reading it?  Just me??  Ok.  Anyway, I hate negotiating, it is insulting, especially when you don't know the guy.  Even when you are friend's and you ask for less, temporarily, I can tell you that the clients almost NEVER goes back to what they were paying once their financial circumstances improve, even if they consider themselves the masseur's friend, and vice versa.  

And yet.  There are times with a new guy, I have said yes.  I'm not sure why, but I have.  I guess I do the calculation:  is this guy using a lame excuse like "I have to pay for parking" (I KNOW I KNOW, it sucks, but if that's a sticking point, find someone else whose parking is free, sorry!!)?  If it's a lame excuse, I'll resent him, and the experience will mutually suck (ha ha).   OR is it a valid negotiating point like he also has a shittily-EARNING job like being a masseur***   , and therefore has no money, but PROMISES to be a regular?  I can also cancel the discount in the future if he proves NOT to be a regular as I see being a regular (monthly???).

So, I guess, yes, you can ask but maybe have a good reason.  I mean, you're utilizing and/or admiring a beautiful man's body for an hour AND he's spending the entire time focused on you (that is what a (good) massage is) maybe consider losing a streaming service or two before haggling.

*** in my original post earlier this morning, I wrote "Shittily-paying", which was dumb because $200/hour is not a job that pays poorly, it's just that massage and escort are jobs that PAY well, but are unfortunately, for whatever reason, difficult to earn well.

Edited April 6 by Rod Hagen

[Jamie21]

1 hour ago, Rod Hagen said:

My instinct is always to raise my eyebrows when I hear a non-thai massage is on a bed.  It seems unprofessional and is horrible for the Masseur's posture, and therefore his spine, muscles, and connective tissue.  BUT there are many masseurs who do bed-only massages for years and years, and so who am I to say, "OY, your aching back!" 

I offer it, if the client wants me to use the bed. It’s their massage so their choice. Only on out calls though, if you come to me then I’ll use a table or there’s the Futon option (firmer than a bed). Sometimes it’s impractical to use a table on an out call (space restrictions, or the client doesn’t want me turning up with a table!). I agree though that it’s not really a massage and it does bring some postural issues for the masseur. 

 

1 hour ago, Rod Hagen said:

This term "wiggle room" is a wonderful euphemism for haggling in the context of massage because how many of us were imagining a finger pressed on a prostate when reading it? 

You aswell? The image is vivid. 

[+ purplekow]

10 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

That’s one way of looking at it!  I’d say if you’re that enamoured then pony up the money 😂.

For me it sometimes happens that he sends a pic and expects I’ll be so attracted to it that I’ll offer services for free. But in those instances it’s a ‘no sorry, this isn’t Grindr’. However I do sometimes suggest to those guys that if they’re happy to be filmed as a volunteer in my massage porn movies on justforfans then that’s  possible (subject to release forms etc). 

I have been assuming that the money difference is such that the choice is yes at a lower price or no at the requested one because of financial limitations.  Asking is not insulting to my mind.  And as you point out in your post, you will consider alternative pricing for your own reasons, in your case to get content with a hot guy.  Other may have different reasons and you do not know until you ask.  Again I am not a Marvin Hagler,  but I would not be insulted by one.  

[ICTJOCK]

On 4/4/2024 at 4:10 PM, BeefyDude said:

Hey guys

I have a rate question - no its not about tipping etc

There is someone I want to see whose rate is $200 which is tad high for me, but reviews look good.

He is staying at a hotel with paid parking only and will be on a bed.

Maybe it' me but considering no table and i have to pay for parking - do you think that rate is too high?  Should I ask him for any wiggle room?

Thanks

My rate is slightly higher than that.   At $200.00,  you are doing well,  especially if the reviews are supportive.    I'd pay the parking and not say anything.   If the time is well spent,  it will be worth it.

Edited April 6 by ICTJOCK

[Jamie21]

44 minutes ago, purplekow said:

And as you point out in your post, you will consider alternative pricing for your own reasons, in your case to get content with a hot guy.

I’ll consider it because I get payment via the subscribers to the film we shoot, so I’m not doing it for free. This is my work. Suppose your boss said to you one day “business is quiet so can you work for 20% less today?”. Would you feel like your boss valued your work? 

Clients can ask for discounts of course. They’ll rationalise it: ‘he won’t mind’, ‘he’s only a sex worker so he doesn’t really matter’, ‘he’s probably desperate for any money so I can get away with asking for a discount’, ‘I’ll feel like I got one up on him’, ‘I deserve it’….all sorts of reasons to justify it to themselves. The response is always ‘no sorry no discount’. 
 

 

[Rod Hagen]

3 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

Sometimes it’s impractical to use a table on an out call (space restrictions, or the client doesn’t want me turning up with a table!). 

Can't imagine how hard on the body dragging a table around town is for folks.  When I see masseurs and Masseuses lugging them, I say OUCH to myself and feel pity.

[Rod Hagen]

 

1 hour ago, Jamie21 said:

Clients can ask for discounts of course. They’ll rationalise it: ‘he won’t mind’, ‘he’s only a sex worker so he doesn’t really matter’, ‘he’s probably desperate for any money so I can get away with asking for a discount’, ‘I’ll feel like I got one up on him’, ‘I deserve it’….all sorts of reasons to justify it to themselves. The response is always ‘no sorry no discount’. 
 

 

Well, I don't think their interior dialogue is often QUITE like that. :-) They are being opportunistic, but not likely consciously disparaging you.  

However, if the escort or masseur feels/assumes that the client asks for less than advertised rates because he sees us as less than and desperate, there will be resentment, understandably, and the hour will likely not be great.

AND now, I predict that since this thread has gotten out of the hands of the clients, the powers that be will soon call it OFF topic (ostensibly because of the word "escort" in a MASSAGE thread) and lock it down.

Edited April 6 by Rod Hagen

[jmichaeliii]

I never ask for discounts.  If someone's not in my budget, I move on.  I have a high level of respect for providers.  Ones that do a quality massage and offer play work their asses off.  Part of the reason I like to spend some of the session doing something nice for them if we click and it goes that way.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

44 minutes ago, Rod Hagen said:

AND now, I predict that since this thread has gotten out of the hands of the clients, the powers that be will soon call it OFF topic (ostensibly because of the word "escort" in a MASSAGE thread) and lock it down.

I'm here for this brand of low-key shade and blatant truth.

[nate_sf]

If the guy is charging $200 for a massage on a bed, I'm thinking this is less therapeutic/skilled massage, and more likely something more erotic. There's some more of that wiggle room! 😛

If there's a charge for parking, presumably it's a good hotel and that comes with some expense for the provider as well. I know that when I travel, I think about the setting, and also how it will be perceived by the client. I don't want to invite a client to meet me at the Red Roof Inn, even if the parking is free.

@Simon Suraci had a good suggestion, that the provider find a rental that's well-located with street parking. That can work really well, though the last time I did that on a trip, a client came in and said it was too bad there wasn't a hotel bar to have a drink at first. (Note to self: next time find an Airbnb down the street from a bar...)

[Occasional]

On 4/4/2024 at 10:10 PM, BeefyDude said:

There is someone I want to see whose rate is $200 which is tad high for me

I think that there's a psychological issue with paying more than my "usual-comfortable rate" which is this: if I pay the usual/comfortable/market-standard rate and the experience is mediocre, I chalk it up to experience.  It's gonna happen from time to time.  It's the name of the game.  Win some, lose some (hopefully more of the former!)

But if I pay [what actually is, or what I perceive to be] a premium rate, and the experience is mediocre, it hurts a lot more, and I don't mean financially. It's the feeling (maybe only half-conscious) that there was an implicit bargain that, by paying more, the experience would be a premium experience.  If the actual experience was poor, there is the painful feeling afterwards that the implicit bargain of premium fee for premium service was broken.  And that feeling can't be just be shrugged off as part of the inevitable "win some, lose some" sequence, because a premium fee was paid!

On 4/4/2024 at 10:10 PM, BeefyDude said:

.. reviews look good
 

I wouldn't myself be influenced by good reviews when deciding whether to hire a premium-fee provider.  For me, two things are needed.  First, a lengthy, thoughtful, profile, that gives a 'real feel' for their attitude and with some feel for what kinks the provider enjoys rather then simply 'provides'.

Secondly. a short phone conversation hoping to hear a relaxed, natural, confident-but-not-arrogant tone of voice, and a satisfactory response when I enquire about the provider's kink preferences (if there was any uncertainty after reading his profile).

Edited April 7 by Occasional
Typo

[Simon Suraci]

8 hours ago, Occasional said:

First, a lengthy, thoughtful, profile, that gives a 'real feel' for their attitude and with some feel for what kinks the provider enjoys rather then simply 'provides'.

A few things to keep that in mind:

RentMen gives us very limited space to write. Only a few sentences at best. Other platforms do not allow explicit profile text, at least in the US.

Regarding kinks, we can’t list everything in exhaustive detail. Firstly because space won’t permit, and secondly because clients yuk our yums all the time and won’t hire us because of it. A particular kink we offer will have nothing to do with a certain client’s session, but because the client saw we offer it for others, they pass on us. I know because these client attitudes are pervasive here on the forums. It’s best to ask the provider directly about the kinks YOU are interested in and see if they are a match.

Phone is great, but please be willing to schedule a call. We are not able to take random explicit phone calls at the drop of a hat. Also, my calls go straight to VM until I have a client contact entered on my phone for it to ring through. I have to do that because I am bombarded with spam and scam on the daily. I am a small business. I have no secretary to screen my calls, and limited time to take them.

[JamesB]

I never ask a provider for a discount because I believe that doing so may result in a compromised experience. If the asked rate exceeds my budget or what I am prepared to pay, I politely express gratitude for their time and move on.

[JamesB]

1 hour ago, Simon Suraci said:

A particular kink we offer will have nothing to do with a certain client’s session, but because the client saw we offer it for others, they pass on us.

I admit to being guilty of this. There was a specific provider who caught my interest, but his profile heavily emphasized fisting, which isn't my preference. Consequently, I never reached out to him.

[rvwnsd]

Getting the thread back on-topic...No, I do not think you should ask for a discount. If the services are not what you typically get (i.e. a massage on a table) then don't hire the provider.

[+ DrownedBoy]

3 hours ago, JamesB said:

I never ask a provider for a discount because I believe that doing so may result in a compromised experience.

That's what I would expect too.

Ditto - on that I don't ask for discounts, but may be willing to entertain an unsolicited counteroffer. However, as has been mentioned on this board, there are escorts who quote an obscene price, then counteroffer with a merely outrageous price. Budding salesmen.

Often, when an escort quotes me 300 or 350 an hour, I simply ask, "Would 500 be good for 2 hours then?" Although there's something of a "discount" involved, I usually don't get turned down or get a "compromised experience," since most providers offer that anyway. And if they don't, I'm not haggling over it.

[marylander1940]

3 hours ago, JamesB said:

I never ask a provider for a discount because I believe that doing so may result in a compromised experience. If the asked rate exceeds my budget or what I am prepared to pay, I politely express gratitude for their time and move on.

Is like ordering with a coupon, you'll get more potatoes and rice for sure. 

Besides most quality guys won't accept a haggler, because the haggling won't end there, asking to save a $20 bill is just the beginning. 

[marylander1940]

17 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

That's what I would expect too.

Ditto - on that I don't ask for discounts, but may be willing to entertain an unsolicited counteroffer. However, as has been mentioned on this board, there are escorts who quote an obscene price, then counteroffer with a merely outrageous price. Budding salesmen.

Often, when an escort quotes me 300 or 350 an hour, I simply ask, "Would 500 be good for 2 hours then?" Although there's something of a "discount" involved, I usually don't get turned down or get a "compromised experience," since most providers offer that anyway. And if they don't, I'm not haggling over it.

Agreed but 500 for a 2 hours escort is a standard rate in this day and age.