Why Do Some Providers Avoid RM Messages?

[+ StLouisOct]

3 hours ago, John said:

Rather a lot of trouble to contact someone who expects to take money from me.  I wouldn't do it for a plumber or dentist or lawyer.

To each his own. I prefer more distance from a sex worker than my lawyer and, among other things, I don’t want their texts appearing on the screen of my phone under my regular number.  

[nate_sf]

I'm OK using the RM chat feature. My only issue with it is that it is inconsistent in sending me a notification that there is a message. Sometimes I get a notification, sometimes I don't. I log into RM maybe twice or three times a day, so if someone leaves a message through the chat I may not see it for several hours, whereas if they send a text or go through Whatsapp I'll get the notification right away.

[+ StLouisOct]

6 hours ago, AshburyGuy said:

That was the previous rule. Now, to leave a review, one has to be a Premium Member.

I checked with RM. No review will be accepted if the client and escort haven't communicated through RM. I'm a Premium member and rarely communicate through RM, but I do after a good session when I want to submit a review. After the escort responds to that subsequent message, I can submit a review.

[cany10011]

I find the RM messenger cumbersome but it has some value as a filter. Though I‘d prefer texting via conventional means once the appointment has been arranged. 

[Walt]

On 12/28/2022 at 4:26 PM, Daniel84 said:

I prefer text because then I can look up their number to see if they have bad reviews. If they have two or more bad reviews I block the client and don't bother.. 

Where do you look up their number?

[John]

4 hours ago, StLouisOct said:

To each his own. I prefer more distance from a sex worker than my lawyer and, among other things, I don’t want their texts appearing on the screen of my phone under my regular number.  

But remember, I am the old crank who wants to stay in RM messenger until the date is set. So I am with you on this even if I have a different solution.

[Jamie21]

I prefer clients book via my website or WhatsApp/text message. It’s because in the past I’ve had bookings in my calendar and I’ve needed to contact them ahead of the session but it’s been a hell of a job to work out how the booking was made. I probably should note the source when I update my calendar. That can be a new year habit! 

The problem is that my clients have booked via all sorts of routes: phone call (yes, that still happens!), text message, via various messaging apps, email, Twitter DM, via my profile on various websites, RentMasseur message, on Scruff and even one time someone booked in person whilst we chatted at the gym. It becomes difficult to manage. So I find it simpler to encourage the final booking to be via WhatsApp or text. That way I can find it easily should I need to contact them. 

I do find that older clients prefer to book via a phone call. Questions can be asked, and you get more of a sense of the person than via written word. It’s nice, although it is sometimes difficult to talk detail unless I’m somewhere discreet. 
 

[Medin]

I always start with RM messaging.   If the provider won't even provide the basics (availability, rate, etc), then I won't switch to texting.   To me a message via RM is an icebreaker.  Get the basics out of the way first and if it appears we are a match, I will continue via text if they want.  To those providers who insist it's just too much work to look at their RM app...give me a break.  At $300/hour, I think people in most professions would be more than happy to look at their messages a few times per day.  I have to respond to about a thousand emails and texts every day in my career and don't make anywhere close to $300+/hour.  I'm sure I'm not alone.  

 

[+ DrownedBoy]

11 hours ago, Medin said:

I always start with RM messaging.   If the provider won't even provide the basics (availability, rate, etc), then I won't switch to texting.   To me a message via RM is an icebreaker.  Get the basics out of the way first and if it appears we are a match, I will continue via text if they want.  To those providers who insist it's just too much work to look at their RM app...give me a break.  At $300/hour, I think people in most professions would be more than happy to look at their messages a few times per day.  I have to respond to about a thousand emails and texts every day in my career and don't make anywhere close to $300+/hour.  I'm sure I'm not alone.  

 

I've also started using RM messenger to set up the basics with escorts.

However, if an escort doesn't respond to my RM messages, I don't filter them out, especially as many escorts make clear in their ad that they need a text.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

17 hours ago, Medin said:

I always start with RM messaging.   If the provider won't even provide the basics (availability, rate, etc), then I won't switch to texting.   To me a message via RM is an icebreaker.  Get the basics out of the way first and if it appears we are a match, I will continue via text if they want.  To those providers who insist it's just too much work to look at their RM app...give me a break.  At $300/hour, I think people in most professions would be more than happy to look at their messages a few times per day.  I have to respond to about a thousand emails and texts every day in my career and don't make anywhere close to $300+/hour.  I'm sure I'm not alone.  

 

Let’s assume the escort only sees a couple clients a week on some weeks. Even seeing 1 $300 client a day hypothetically is actually $300/24 hours a day of texting/RM messages = $12.50/hr.

Now if someone is very low volume or in a market where majority of the gay life is on hookup apps, or there isn’t much demand in the area: That $300/168 hours a week would actually equate to: $1.78/hour. 
 

Remember: $300/hr isn’t x 40 hours a week. 

 

Edited January 15, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[+ Tygerscent]

  (I’m not listing things to be a stinky weiner… I’m just making it easier to read and dissect… like a science project… I have a science background…)
For me it’s entirely different: I do respond to people who message me as well as people who simply view my profile and don’t message me but, I prefer they text me after an initial hello and some basic details for one, (first), very major reason… The messaging platform on RM is inefficient and annoying~ ie. The return key… Gawwwwwd~ FIX IT~!!!  How many years of that now~? The spacing on their QWERTY is narrow and I’m constantly hitting the return key~ Doing so sends my incomplete message and it just looks unprofessional having to rewrite and resend the message I wanted that was cut short by the freaky return key send function~ Additionally, the spell corruption program on the site is terrible~   
  If something I type in is changed to an incorrect word and I hit the backspace button, that can trigger the return button…  
  Now I’ve sent another unfinished as well as spell currupted text~ 

 All of that is time consuming~ 

  Also Annoying, (So, 1.5ish): you can only text so much because the length of the allowed text is metered to a certain number of characters~  I can text faster and more correctly on my phone than on RM messenger service and without the limits~  

 Reasons number 2 & 2.5 : I am much more likely to respond back to premium users than non premium users who just want to “see for free” what premium users pay for~ I personally save my privates for premium Clients because they paid for that~ My courtesy/respect to those premium Clients is to not share my privates with non premium users~ letting others see what premium members pay for seems like a slap in the face~     
  Additionally, I constantly update my images on my Phone… sending and adding pictures takes more time on RM messenger and photo picture service and it’s a “process”, (more time wasted): hit one picture, scroll to hit send… Same thing with next picture… and the next… and the next… On my Phone I can send 15 brand new images all at one time~ They send as a group~ Easy and fast~

 Third & 3rd.5 : The likelihood increases exponentially of a non registered user being another escort fishing for rates ,(because they aren’t sure what to charge since in the states you can’t list your rates on your profile or compare your rates to other providers otherwise), or are escorts posing as clients and try filling up your schedule with bogus appointments~ (These things happen). A real registered Client is more likely not a minor… and that’s good~! 

 Fourth: SoOoOoooOoOooo SoooOoOooOo many newer Client inquiry’s profiles default to New York City when they in fact live elsewhere around the country: seeing an area code gives me some “better” sense of where this person is calling from~ (better… not absolute)~
  Why defaulting to NYC is a problem: I travel there frequently for work, but I also travel to 24 other states around the country as well as countries abroad and when I go to check some profile and it’s defaulting to New York, I don’t know if they are really from there and looking to hire me during some upcoming trip or are located in some other city I’m traveling to  and want to hire me elsewhere or they are just browse and bating… Inevitably, you have to go thru the awkward guessing game of establishing where everybody is from or going to~  (if they are cumming or going at all someplace)~  
 Did I mention SoOOOoooOoooOOo many~ (I’m not kidding).
 

Fifth: I rely on texting almost exclusively~   
  Anytime of day or night I may be communicating with my regular Clients~  When I am locked into RM using their broken message system, it takes me away from my regular Clients and puts me in the RM pond of guys who just want to see my privates without any other context than a generic “request” or are defaulting to NYC but, live elsewhere~ 

  fifth & a half or sixth: A message from a non premium member who just wants to see my privates or just types, “Hey”, doesn’t spark my sense of urgency as much as a real person with a full inquiry~    
 If you ran a landscape company or dentist office or whatever: who would you respond to first~? The detailed inquiry for your service with a real phone number/email addie or, someone whose sent an anonymous voicemail or email only saying “Hey” or requesting pictures of your product and no real contact info~? 
 

Sixth and a bit more:  When the new owners of RM brought on RM messaging, they diminished the email section… essentially removing any way to keep track and organize Client inquires easily~ So, that’s broken too~ 🤷‍♂️

 There is the silliness that someone doesn’t even need to log in at all to pull provider info and general pics off the site but, it’s easier to weed thru mischief when their IP or ID pops up on your phone, (or doesn’t)~ 

  Finally, (not really but, this topic in general is unfun. So, I’m feeling “done” with it): you either have to be logged in constantly to receive and respond to RM messages, (people do get upset, impatient, forget each other all together or just find other situations)~ it’s easy for RM instant messages to get buried quickly below other messages… That can happen on a phone too but, I can scroll down thru hundreds of phone texts whereas I have to select “pages” on RM and the back button is equally slow~         
   The likelihood of all that decreases with phone text and again, (I know it’s redundant to hear but, more so to experience daily), phone is faster. RM is a speed communication speed bump~ ie., I can discreetly send a text to some inquiry on my phone, faster and easier than logging in, having to update my availability before I can move into my messages, (the site makes us do that), and also check emails there… plus establish where people are really Located~ These same people in reality check their own phones more often than RM IM~ Not every Client is retired guys who work still check their phones but, probably are not on RM 10hrs per day ongoing and daily~ Even non working rascals graze on Twitter litter and FFO for a change of pace~ 
  If I am with a client for two hours, six hours, 24 hours, a week, a month, I may be able to do some quick testing while somebody’s in the shower, or in the bathroom or taking a nap or maybe they’re doing other stuff for their own jobs but, RM is a time consuming process of communication that can be difficult. If you are traveling on a plane, trying to catch a train, sitting next to people and you have to pull up Rentmen whose opening window is porny~… my phone texts are more discrete over all~ PLUS: bad internet services or slow bandwidth areas means RM slowwwwwwwws way down~ My phone texting never does~ 

 So… how about those Rangers~? They’re kicking ass right~? (It’s a New York thing… ask anyone whose REALLY from NYC). 🤪🥰❤️

 

 

Edited January 15, 2023 by Tygerscent

[Medin]

3 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Let’s assume the escort only sees a couple clients a week on some weeks. Even seeing 1 $300 client a day hypothetically is actually $300/24 hours a day of texting/RM messages = $12.50/hr.

Now if someone is very low volume or in a market where majority of the gay life is on hookup apps, or there isn’t much demand in the area: That $300/168 hours a week would actually equate to: $1.78/hour. 
 

Remember: $300/hr isn’t x 40 hours a week. 

 

Sure, but if you are only working a few hours/week, wouldn't that be considered more of a hobby and not a profession?  It's hard to compare to those doing this as a side hustle. I don't follow your math.   One client/day still equates to $109k/year which is still decent money compared to the average American salary and it's all tax free.  These guys are not doing it to make the equivalent of $1.78/hour.  

[+ StLouisOct]

48 minutes ago, Medin said:

Sure, but if you are only working a few hours/week, wouldn't that be considered more of a hobby and not a profession?  It's hard to compare to those doing this as a side hustle. I don't follow your math.   One client/day still equates to $109k/year which is still decent money compared to the average American salary and it's all tax free.  These guys are not doing it to make the equivalent of $1.78/hour.  

I’ve had many good hours with escorts who have other jobs. Full time escorts aren’t the only ones who provide excellent services. And many good ones don’t check RM messages much, so I always text to begin with. Such a small matter and not worth missing out on a memorable experience.

[+ Tygerscent]

9 hours ago, Medin said:

Sure, but if you are only working a few hours/week, wouldn't that be considered more of a hobby and not a profession?  It's hard to compare to those doing this as a side hustle. I don't follow your math.   One client/day still equates to $109k/year which is still decent money compared to the average American salary and it's all tax free.  These guys are not doing it to make the equivalent of $1.78/hour.  

There are only so many local people hiring in any given city, and they don’t hire every day, every week or even once a month, necessarily… Some people only hire once a year because it’s considered a bit of an extravagance and luxury cost~ Maybe they have a wife or partner and can’t always get away~ Maybe they work full time or own a business~ 

  Typically, Clients don’t always just hire one single person ongoing~ They are saving up for and hiring multiple partners and also okay with their own non hire fuck buddies~  It’s rare that a provider is hired by one single person every week or every month, every year… A provider is chosen out of numerous other providers by a limited/fluctuating number of hiring Clients~ 

 You can also rely on incoming travelers… but again, city size and travelers interest varies from city to city~ Economy and weather can impact all of that~ Disease too~ 

 That may mean that as a provider, if you wanna be hired more frequently, you need to travel to other places outside of your location~ 

 I travel nearly 90% of my time, (or more), across the states and abroad~ I do not have other income and so this truly is my full-time profession, even though I am not being hired every day~ 

 A lot of things come in to play… Things that affected my appointments the last couple of years: Covid, post traumatic Covid stress syndrome, peoples long Covid, deaths from Covid… monkey pox… RSV… Uncertain and fluctuating income with respect to Clients, Client aging/illness and death, increased travel expenses, Hurricanes like Ian, atmospheric rivers and cyclone bombs, canceled flights, lost luggage, train strikes… and more~ Despite careful planning, these things happen~ (didn’t even mention basic work expense overhead and changes in accommodations quality). 
 
 I love what I do, and it is my profession/career but, it’s more than that… this is basically who I am as a person. I identify as a Male Geisha Escort Companion Intimate~ I am what I do because of who I am~   
  I’ve known some of my clients for 23 years and I’ve seen a number of them pass away, especially in the last three years. A number of them I sat with while they were passing. There’s a lot more involved in escorting as a profession then I think many people consider.

 It’s definitely much more than sex… 

Edited January 15, 2023 by Tygerscent

[+ Tygerscent]

On 12/29/2022 at 3:53 PM, Jamie21 said:

I prefer clients book via my website or WhatsApp/text message. It’s because in the past I’ve had bookings in my calendar and I’ve needed to contact them ahead of the session but it’s been a hell of a job to work out how the booking was made. I probably should note the source when I update my calendar. That can be a new year habit! 

The problem is that my clients have booked via all sorts of routes: phone call (yes, that still happens!), text message, via various messaging apps, email, Twitter DM, via my profile on various websites, RentMasseur message, on Scruff and even one time someone booked in person whilst we chatted at the gym. It becomes difficult to manage. So I find it simpler to encourage the final booking to be via WhatsApp or text. That way I can find it easily should I need to contact them. 

I do find that older clients prefer to book via a phone call. Questions can be asked, and you get more of a sense of the person than via written word. It’s nice, although it is sometimes difficult to talk detail unless I’m somewhere discreet. 
 

Yes… the general bookkeeping and scheduling can be rather complex. Phone calls are most difficult on my end because of my constant travel and tendency to have longer appointments… I’ve never just done a phone call with a Client that has lasted only a few minutes… Typically we are engaged in conversation for at least 1/2 hour, two hours, four hours, and sometimes longer as we get to know each other. I do a lot of multitasking… I can text 15 people at a time but, if I’m talking to somebody on the phone that’s the only thing I’m doing for the next half or four hours.  
 Since I can be with other Clients at any given moment, I discourage phone call communications as a respect and courtesy for those hiring me~

 If I take phone calls, they have to be scheduled in advance so that I can make sure I am in a discreet location where I can dedicate private time to the person I’m talking to on the phone. I certainly do not want to be getting phone calls from people when I’m in the middle of a session, at dinner or event with a Client~ Unless I am with a Client for several days, weeks, a month, (where there is an understanding that I need to be chatting with others on line discretely), I am away from my phone altogether. These people are not paying me to chat with other people who might like to get together with me. 
 Phone calls can often turn into sexual banter and privacy issues that are inappropriate in a public, current Client hire or friends setting~  
  Privacy and confidentiality can be compromised but, I can text discreetly at various times of any given day and the convo doesn’t have to be running… it can go on and off in accordance to everyone’s schedule~ 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

RM chat function is notoriously unreliable and basically, sucks.

I have an auto-reply with a personal email address given.  It's pretty straight forward.

[Bargara Leatherboy]

As a client - I find RM works best for me.

I was working shift work until recently, and any hire had to fit into my schedule and also had to be at a specific time when my husband was not aware of it.

 

So I found that RM communication works best for me.

I hear what providers are saying BUT this is a service industry and if your clients want RM messaging well thats where you should be.

I have always been upfront in my first message, I am *** and *** and looking for *** and *** on *** are you able to assist?

 

Happy to move it to personal messaging later if thats what we need to do.

 

Just my input but the old adage that the customer is always right - well its not always true - but it has a ring about it 

 

 

[DC Otter]

On 12/29/2022 at 8:07 AM, AshburyGuy said:

That was the previous rule. Now, to leave a review, one has to be a Premium Member.

I'm a premium member but have been unable to leave reviews unless I contact them via email through the site. It doesn't work if I text through the site -- it's gotta be email. I certainly understand their reticence about checking that email. On a couple of occasions I wanted to leave a less-than-stellar review (but not slamming them) but couldn't since they wouldn't connect via email. And weren't interested in doing so after the session was over. StLousOct's idea (Step 2) is good, but it doesn't always work.

[MikeBiDude]

3 hours ago, DC Otter said:

I'm a premium member but have been unable to leave reviews unless I contact them via email through the site. It doesn't work if I text through the site -- it's gotta be email

My experience (premium member as well) differs, I’m able to leave reviews with RM messenger communications only.

[Muscle Lover 2]

On 12/28/2022 at 5:11 PM, Kevin Slater said:

Heard.  But what's the fear of doing that via text?

Kevin Slater

Because, then, if they are some sort of wanker, they have a phone number for you to harass you.   If you use your real phone, they can figure out your real identity and start messing with you on social media.    Voice of experience...    

[DC Otter]

6 hours ago, MikeBiDude said:

My experience (premium member as well) differs, I’m able to leave reviews with RM messenger communications only.

Interesting. On RM, messenger is the "chat live with me" function you're talking about? If so, does it matter if they answer, or is it enough that you reached out that way?  On RentMasseur they don't have that functionality -- it's only call (but I get the phone number and then text) or email.

[MikeBiDude]

5 minutes ago, DC Otter said:

Interesting. On RM, messenger is the "chat live with me" function you're talking about? If

Yes…I believe I’ve only reviewed those that replied via chat. But I seem to remember once I sent a chat message to a provider I’d met elsewhere just so I could leave a positive review on RentMen.

[italianboyph]

I don't mind either way, but I always prefer contact via text phone just cause I feel it's a little more serious vs RM messages.  Most people read the message cause it says they do, and don't respond. I get some people don't want their real numbers out for discretion and which is why RM is preferred for some, which is fine. The auto messages on RM for some providers basically have messages that say to contact them via phone if you're serious about meeting, which I think is because of flaking.

Edited January 17, 2023 by italianboyph

[DallasFootFtshAthlete]

On 12/29/2022 at 9:09 AM, John said:

Rather a lot of trouble to contact someone who expects to take money from me.  I wouldn't do it for a plumber or dentist or lawyer.

It's really not that hard -- just takes a few minutes.  Makes it easier for you to text and protects your privacy. 

[coriolis888]

On 12/29/2022 at 7:09 AM, John said:

Rather a lot of trouble to contact someone who expects to take money from me.  I wouldn't do it for a plumber or dentist or lawyer.

It often seems that the escort/provider's approach to clients is backwards when trying to obtain a client.  

If a client were to go to a store to buy an item that was somewhat unique to the buyer, the salesperson at the store would answer all questions the potential buyer would ask. 

However, with an escort provider, a few "to-the-point" questions categorizes the client as a "time waster" in the opinion of the provider.    

Without a client's questions to the provider being answered makes me wonder how many potential provider/client meetings never take place because the provider thinks he is being asked too many questions by a "time waster".