Why Do Some Providers Avoid RM Messages?

[VersOral]

On 12/28/2022 at 8:19 PM, Kevin Slater said:

Which is exactly why I require a phone number.  Hit me up when you're serious about hiring me, not kicking tires.

Kevin Slater

It's not always kicking tires, sometimes messaging more than one provider is trying to find the one that's available. I had an unexpected detour on a trip last year that I found myself in a city I hadn't planned on visiting, therefore I hadn't researched anyone I wanted to hire. Texted half a dozen providers since I had limited time in town to see if anyone was available. One responded a couple hours later saying he wasn't available, the rest didn't even bother responding. It's also not always clear who is the casual provider doing it when they are bored and need money versus the ones that take it seriously.

[+ DrownedBoy]

On 1/28/2023 at 12:26 AM, VersOral said:

It's not always kicking tires, sometimes messaging more than one provider is trying to find the one that's available. I had an unexpected detour on a trip last year that I found myself in a city I hadn't planned on visiting, therefore I hadn't researched anyone I wanted to hire. Texted half a dozen providers since I had limited time in town to see if anyone was available. One responded a couple hours later saying he wasn't available, the rest didn't even bother responding. It's also not always clear who is the casual provider doing it when they are bored and need money versus the ones that take it seriously.

The frequency with which visiting and new providers have just ghosted or ignored me, even if they're marked as "Available" on RM and I make sure to text them my profile, is appalling.

Some escorts have enough customers or sessions to not need new ones. That's fine...as long as you don't act otherwise.

[Rod Hagen]

I  don't like RM messenger, and I can't really say why other than I don't remember to check it very often so I lose track of conversation threads.

[Simon Suraci]

On 12/29/2022 at 11:09 AM, nate_sf said:

I'm OK using the RM chat feature. My only issue with it is that it is inconsistent in sending me a notification that there is a message. Sometimes I get a notification, sometimes I don't. I log into RM maybe twice or three times a day, so if someone leaves a message through the chat I may not see it for several hours, whereas if they send a text or go through Whatsapp I'll get the notification right away.

Same here. The big problem I have with using it is that I don’t receive notifications. I have the app push notifications turned on because I want an alert when someone is trying to contact me. I am more than happy to respond asap, but I never see the alert unless I happen to be on the RentMen website and see it pop up. 

Does anyone know how to get consistent, reliable push notifications from RentMen Messenger?

I have email alerts turned on too, but some of those come through weeks or sometimes months after someone messaged me. Not exactly practical.

I don’t enjoy using RentMen Messenger, but it has improved a bit over time. I much prefer texting because I know I will see it sooner and can respond more quickly and efficiently that way. I understand clients have various reasons for not wanting to text, so I want to make myself available on RentMen Messenger.

[Guest]

We all do it a bit different but as someone who does not list his number  publicly, I rely completely on RM messages

[coriolis888]

For the initial contact with a provider, I prefer rentmen messenger.  

Once on rentmen messenger, if I get a feeling of trust or that the guy is not a flake, I switch to text.  

People forget that there are a lot of bad providers advertising with fake photos and down right lies.  Many threads in the "deli" section of this forum discuss bad providers (fakes, thieves and worse).  

If the initial contact is via rentmen messenger, safety is somewhat preserved.  Once a response is received from the provider from rentmen messenger, I have no hesitation swithing to text and giving my text number.  

Remember, we are not dealing with a typical purchase or product.  Hiring a provider is NOT like going to a store and buying a product.  We are dealing with a sensitive situation.  The rentmen chat preserves a little safety until the client feels comfortable in releasing a text number to someone they do not know.  

Again, do not forget how many times in this forum is an alert given to warn about a bad or fake provider.  

A little caution is not inappropriate.  If a provider finds rentmen messenger not to their liking, it is time to skip that provider and go to the next provider that is appealing and will go along with the reasonable rentmen messenger function.  

 

[Your Man in Arlington]

4 hours ago, coriolis888 said:

A little caution is not inappropriate.  If a provider finds rentmen messenger not to their liking, it is time to skip that provider and go to the next provider that is appealing and will go along with the reasonable rentmen messenger function.  

My exception to this rule is that a provider that is well reviewed here and on RM, but says text me on their profile. Haven't had a bad experience that way, but I have had to do the "let's message each other so I can leave you a review" thing.

[KennF]

Slightly off-target on the topic, but totally relevant.

I recently read through a white-paper on the methods used by various people based on the generation.

• Baby boomers prefer face-to-face, phone, or paper.  Many struggle with using apps.
• Gen Xers prefer phone, email or desktop apps.  They find texting intrusive, unless they are from family.
• Millennials think phone calls are intrusive.  Texts and social media is fine/normal, but hate depersonalized messages.  They accept apps and mobile sites with ease.
• Gen Z (Zoomers) avoid phone calls and will ignore most of them.  Texting directly is weird.  They prefer social media, and expect apps with direct messaging to their apps.

 Couple this with RM's changes and you get a nice overview of how to reach your target market.

[Jamie21]

1 hour ago, KennF said:

Slightly off-target on the topic, but totally relevant.

I recently read through a white-paper on the methods used by various people based on the generation.

• Baby boomers prefer face-to-face, phone, or paper.  Many struggle with using apps.
• Gen Xers prefer phone, email or desktop apps.  They find texting intrusive, unless they are from family.
• Millennials think phone calls are intrusive.  Texts and social media is fine/normal, but hate depersonalized messages.  They accept apps and mobile sites with ease.
• Gen Z (Zoomers) avoid phone calls and will ignore most of them.  Texting directly is weird.  They prefer social media, and expect apps with direct messaging to their apps.

 Couple this with RM's changes and you get a nice overview of how to reach your target market.

I agree. You can tell a lot by the medium someone chooses to contact you by. My older clients phone me to book. They never initiate the booking with a text but will respond to my confirmation text. They never use email or messenger apps to contact me. 
Younger / Millennial clients seem to use WhatsApp or Telegram. Those kind of messaging apps. 
Gen X tend to email or text. Sometimes they message me via Twitter DM. 
Of all the methods I prefer it to be via text or WhatsApp because I can then respond discreetly and at the appropriate time. It’s not always possible to answer a phone call and if I’m in company or in public it’s not easy to discuss services over the phone. However if I’m somewhere discreet then a phone call is best if the client has a lot of questions. 
 

[DamizzonNYC]

Glad to have found this topic. 

As a provider, I connect with clients on an array of platforms.  But at some point prior to meeting, we need to have a real nuts-and-bolts conversation about your wants/needs/desires/expectations so we can both determine if we're a good fit.  At some point a frank adult conversation is necessary.  And I think it's important to remember that - as much as acceptance of sex work has grown - we're still dealing with some legal and cultural taboos.  And privacy is still paramount. 

So I try to only have these nuts-and-bolts conversations on WhatsApp or - ideally - telegram.  And it's amazing how many clients balk at transitioning to one of those apps. 

If you're a person looking to pay for private adult time isn't it in your best interest to have an encrypted texting app?  Something where both parties can clear the entire chat?  Somehow this doesn't seem like an unreasonable expectation all around.  Am I wrong?

[marylander1940]

Because it's a pain in the ass and not in a good way. Most messages are hi?, what's up?, how are you?, rate?, etc.

Before potential clients were able to send an email with sentences, now every time they click enter it goes as one message. 

Most folks tell me that it's nothing but a way to waste time. If someone is interested he'll make the effort to communicate by text and getting to the point. 

[marylander1940]

On 10/27/2023 at 3:52 PM, KennF said:

Slightly off-target on the topic, but totally relevant.

I recently read through a white-paper on the methods used by various people based on the generation.

• Baby boomers prefer face-to-face, phone, or paper.  Many struggle with using apps.
• Gen Xers prefer phone, email or desktop apps.  They find texting intrusive, unless they are from family.
• Millennials think phone calls are intrusive.  Texts and social media is fine/normal, but hate depersonalized messages.  They accept apps and mobile sites with ease.
• Gen Z (Zoomers) avoid phone calls and will ignore most of them.  Texting directly is weird.  They prefer social media, and expect apps with direct messaging to their apps.

 Couple this with RM's changes and you get a nice overview of how to reach your target market.

I understand your point but believe me some gay men in their 50s and 60s text like teenagers and love it. 

[TorontoDrew]

I use RM messenger for first contact.  That way I can leave a review.  I know some providers never check it so if a few days pass and they haven't read it I send a text.

I had one provider not check for a week.  I sent a WhatsApp message and heard back within the hour with a proposed time

[marylander1940]

57 minutes ago, TorontoDrew said:

I use RM messenger for first contact.  That way I can leave a review.  I know some providers never check it so if a few days pass and they haven't read it I send a text.

I had one provider not check for a week.  I sent a WhatsApp message and heard back within the hour with a proposed time

I guess you have a versatile approach to contact them! Instant message first and later texting

[Daniel84]

On 12/28/2022 at 2:35 PM, John said:

I am with you, but I think the boys feel:

1. that they are too lazy to log in to RM to reply

2.that they do not want a record of their activities on RM in case......

I sympathize with the second concern, but think it unavoidable. The first, well I just go on to the next guy.

I won't book a outcall unless I have there phone number. I've had on too many occasions I would arrive to the location or the hotel and then the client would block me. 

Maybe they got cold feet or they already relived themselves and they don't have a basic level of respect. I also require a number as I can protect myself by looking up there number on MrNumber. The amount of time money and patience that app has saved me. 

[Your Man in Arlington]

21 minutes ago, Daniel84 said:

I won't book a outcall unless I have there phone number. I've had on too many occasions I would arrive to the location or the hotel and then the client would block me. 

As a client, I always switch to text soon after first contact on RM Messages. As a Gen X-er, it's better for me, and I would think better for the provider to communicate that way rather than RM.

[muscmtl]

On 10/27/2023 at 2:49 AM, Vin_Marco said:

We all do it a bit different but as someone who does not list his number  publicly, I rely completely on RM messages

If no sex deal on your phone, then if the cop book you (and it's still happening) then they have no proof. So you doing it right, leave all the dealings on rentmen.

Fun legal fact, hell of lot easier to get a warrant for your phone, but practically impossible to get a waeey for your passwords so they can access your websites.

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, muscmtl said:

If no sex deal on your phone, then if the cop book you (and it's still happening) then they have no proof. So you doing it right, leave all the dealings on rentmen.

Fun legal fact, hell of lot easier to get a warrant for your phone, but practically impossible to get a waeey for your passwords so they can access your websites.

Good to know and thank you 🙏🏽 🙌🏽