Caveats in hiring. Please contribute!

[+ MakeMeCowboy]

On 2/6/2022 at 8:31 AM, kaboom35 said:

Have you ever walked out on an appointment because the provider asked for the money upfront?  I always just pay up.

YES!  The provider asked for payment once I was fully undressed.  I just started to get dressed while I dressed him down on his technique.  He didn't dare get in my way as I left.

[Alex93108]

- Upselling during the session, often for bareback services

- Soliciting a tip during the session 

- Looking at phone during the session

- And my personal pet peeve - getting me to cum to quickly to end the session 

[+ DrownedBoy]

Soliciting for a tip before the session. I kid you not.

[kaboom35]

9 hours ago, Alex93108 said:

- Upselling during the session, often for bareback services

- Soliciting a tip during the session 

- Looking at phone during the session

- And my personal pet peeve - getting me to cum to quickly to end the session 

Maybe I've been extremely lucky but I've been hiring for about 10 years and none of his has ever happened to me.  

[EastbayMike]

15 minutes in with no prompting from me, he starts caressing my head with his big erection while I'm face down in the face cradle. Surprised, I lift up my head and he starts rubbing the head of his dick on my cheeks. When I go to put it in my mouth,  he recoils and says "ay papi,  that's extra!" I got up off the table,  dressed, and paid half what we agreed to thinking i was being generous since I wasn't even there half of the agreed to time.  He was pissed but so was I. 

Edited March 30 by EastbayMike

[DWnyc]

On 3/29/2024 at 3:43 PM, DrownedBoy said:

Soliciting for a tip before the session. I kid you not.

Yup very common. And given I think I’m a generous tipper I don’t think I’m on any of these mythical databases as someone who needs a reminder on this. 

[DWnyc]

 

On 3/30/2024 at 12:04 AM, kaboom35 said:

- Upselling during the session, often for bareback services

- Soliciting a tip during the session 

- Looking at phone during the session

- And my personal pet peeve - getting me to cum to quickly to end the session 

have experienced all of them more than once (upselling in general, and conversely  for requesting condoms)

also had a session cut short because “im Not feeling well, nothing to do with you, and I won’t charge for all the time …” right after he checked his phone … and I’m pretty sure arranged either a hookup or a longer session client. 

Re condoms vs bareback upsell -  it’s been discussed  here before but my experience has been providers generally prefer bare and condoms require more effort for them Hence upsell. If one reveals how important something is to them, an upseller may think  “what’s totally easy for me is very valuable to him, so I’ll redo my pricing …” 

 

 

 

 

[Alex93108]

Complaining about the tip after it was given ( Queens, New York, incall )

My favorite one - deciding not to reply or engage, presumably after seeing my pic. ( London, UK)

My worst appointment to date was by someone from this forum, who recommended highly  this particular provider. While he was "ok" what annoyed me the most what he left early - I booked him for 2 hours, he was done in 45 minutes . Brazilian in ( London , UK), though I heard he's become a British Citizen now..  I gave him a lackluster review on SB.  

This is right up there with the guy that showed up at the Rosewood asking me for a microwave to cook his meth. What was I supposed to do? Ring the concierge for it?  Not that kind of hotel….( Sao Paolo, BR). Demanded compensation for his time. 

There were fantastic appointments - which I haven't mentioned - these are the worst ones.  

Edited May 5 by Alex93108

[Hot4latin]

On 3/30/2024 at 10:35 AM, EastbayMike said:

15 minutes in with no prompting from me, he starts caressing my head with his big erection while I'm face down in the face cradle. Surprised, I lift up my head and he starts rubbing the head of his dick on my cheeks. When I go to put it in my mouth,  he recoils and says "ay papi,  that's extra!" I got up off the table,  dressed, and paid half what we agreed to thinking i was being generous since I wasn't even there half of the agreed to time.  He was pissed but so was I. 

I had a NYC provider pull that same maneuver on me about two weeks ago. 😡

[+ FrankR]

On 4/3/2024 at 3:40 AM, DWnyc said:

 Re condoms vs bareback upsell -  it’s been discussed  here before but my experience has been providers generally prefer bare and condoms require more effort for them Hence upsell.

I dont understand - how does a condom require more effort? 
I thought bare required more effort (aka clean up after). 🤔

[+ FrankR]

26 minutes ago, Hot4latin said:

I had a NYC provider pull that same maneuver on me about two weeks ago. 😡

That is a dick move. If he has a thread here on the forum, please add the comment to his thread to make others aware. 

[+ JamesB]

29 minutes ago, FrankR said:

That is a dick move. If he has a thread here on the forum, please add the comment to his thread to make others aware. 

Maybe we should start a thread with a list of providers that do this. I have had that happen to me as well.

[SouthOfTheBorder]

On 2/28/2024 at 1:47 AM, Moke said:

1.  Always tip enthusiastic service

there are other threads about tipping for various service types: wait staff, barbers, massage therapists, providers, etc

the American concept behind tipping was always to supplement someone who may not receive full benefit of payment - like a barber who does not own the shop, or a massage therapist who works in a spa owned by someone else.  
If someone receives full benefit of payment, then no tip required for services provided.  

no rules against whatever anyone wants to tip  - but in provider context it seems to set up a vague expectation ripe for disappointment or misinterpretation.  I’d much rather have a provider quote a rate that they are happy to receive without an expectation of additional tips. At $300-$400 an hour these days - that is a far cry from restaurant wait staff working at below minimum wage, dependent on tips to survive.

i see frequent tipping requests in pharmacies, convenience stores & fast food restaurants these days in US….its completely & totally out of control.

re; shorting on time or inability to perform - depends on context.  If the provider is stable & reasonable then negotiate.  if any signs of aggression or instability - pay in full & leave asap.

Edited May 5 by SouthOfTheBorder

[DWnyc]

On 5/5/2024 at 7:28 AM, FrankR said:

I dont understand - how does a condom require more effort? 
I thought bare required more effort (aka clean up after). 🤔

They’re referring to -/ it’s harder to stay hard (they claim) when wearing a condom 

 

[DWnyc]

On 5/5/2024 at 9:41 AM, SouthOfTheBorder said:

If someone receives full benefit of payment, then no tip required for services provided.

100% agreee - assuming they’re pricing what they feel they are worth at the level expected 

ill be more inclined to tip if I feel something happened above and beyond what was discussed - not sure why it should be expexted at less than reasonably expected performance when my post tax dollars go to someone off the books with no revenue share for anyone else 

And any provider holding his hand out for more without me volunteering a tip, or telling me (sometimes even before the session has begun) that I need to tip (sometimes even with a threat of what they might do if I don’t) - forget it.
 

 

[coriolis888]

On 3/30/2024 at 7:35 AM, EastbayMike said:

15 minutes in with no prompting from me, he starts caressing my head with his big erection while I'm face down in the face cradle. Surprised, I lift up my head and he starts rubbing the head of his dick on my cheeks. When I go to put it in my mouth,  he recoils and says "ay papi,  that's extra!" I got up off the table,  dressed, and paid half what we agreed to thinking i was being generous since I wasn't even there half of the agreed to time.  He was pissed but so was I. 

You must look strong.  Most escorts would start a fight if many of us tried something like that.   I had a couple of instances where a provider suddenly pulled out a menu along with extra charges which I did not accept.  I paid only the initial agreed amount.  

I think you did the right thing to the scoundrel.  

[+ purplekow]

Fred what to me was a valid explanation.  Most hiring sites have functions that allow the client to limit the qualities such as height, weight and age.  While all of these things are fixed data, weight may vary.  And two men of 35 may appear 20 years apart.  He therefore feels that if he looks 35 he will lose clients that would be very happy with his appearance should he list as 50.  As long as the pictures are recent, I do not care how old the provider is.  Of course, I only hire 30 and above, as that is where my sweet spot is.  

[viewing ownly]

On 5/4/2024 at 9:22 PM, Alex93108 said:

Complaining about the tip after it was given ( Queens, New York, incall )

My favorite one - deciding not to reply or engage, presumably after seeing my pic. ( London, UK)

My worst appointment to date was by someone from this forum, who recommended highly  this particular provider. While he was "ok" what annoyed me the most what he left early - I booked him for 2 hours, he was done in 45 minutes . Brazilian in ( London , UK), though I heard he's become a British Citizen now..  I gave him a lackluster review on SB.  

This is right up there with the guy that showed up at the Rosewood asking me for a microwave to cook his meth. What was I supposed to do? Ring the concierge for it?  Not that kind of hotel….( Sao Paolo, BR). Demanded compensation for his time. 

There were fantastic appointments - which I haven't mentioned - these are the worst ones.  

I wouldn't even know what to say to a microwave meth cooking suggestion. "Sorry, but the popcorn setting is all I'm good for, but my neighbor has a veggie steamer that might work. Be right back."

[+ FrankR]

3 hours ago, DWnyc said:

They’re referring to -/ it’s harder to stay hard (they claim) when wearing a condom 

 

That is right up there with blaming mercury being in retrograde.  

[+ nycman]

On 1/23/2024 at 5:37 PM, azdr0710 said:

and it was only for coffee, perverts

[marylander1940]

On 5/5/2024 at 7:28 AM, FrankR said:

I dont understand - how does a condom require more effort? 
I thought bare required more effort (aka clean up after). 🤔

it requires more effort to keep it up.

CutlerX asked a forum poster $100 extra to wear a condom. 

[blck37]

On 4/3/2024 at 2:40 PM, DWnyc said:

also had a session cut short because “im Not feeling well, nothing to do with you, and I won’t charge for all the time …” right after he checked his phone … and I’m pretty sure arranged either a hookup or a longer session client.

I feel you on this one, happened to me recently. Voice my complaint to him and he offers to go out for lunch free of charge day after lol

[KeepItReal]

38 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

it requires more effort to keep it up.

CutlerX asked a forum poster $100 extra to wear a condom. 

I guess that is possible. Have been a condom user for many (many!) years and as long as you stick to newer, thinner condoms in the right size, the sensation is almost exactly the same.  Went bare for about a year while in a mutually committed monogamous relationship and did not find the experience enhancing or better in any way. 

Of course CutlerX can charge what he wants - but will be a hard sell on me. Just like a recent companion who wanted to charge extra for kissing. Sorry, not this customer. 

[blck37]

Left feeling like the third guy throughout a 3s with 2 escorts who were so into each other. I book the first guy for an overnight and the second guy for 2h; so there was a lot of fucking and resting in between. They did their job well in so far the actual fucking goes. But i cant help feel like a random meat bag/ hole that was there to just be fucked - its not a good feeling. They would:

> pull each other for french kiss throughout the session; and only give me lips peck now and then and only if I initiate first. There was a moment where they are deep eating each other face with hands on each other whilst i was standing next to them doing nothing, i just stand there like some statue. None of them even put their hands on me. They only stop after i move to sit on the bed.

> pull each other for a cuddle and caressing each other during resting on bed; whilst i would be left aside. Was so awkward for me I often just go stand beside the bed or sit on sofa or went to toilet or sit on bed facing them cuddling

> suggest to take a rest or smoke; then whenever i did they would then make out in front of me. They would fuck me like a machine (no passion) but they would make love with passion so hot that i feel wrong just by being in the room - so i went to toilet often lol

Whilst I am aware that I cant demand attraction from them, i would prefer them to not do it in front of me and on my dime.

To top it off, the first guy finish earlier than agreed time (finish at the same time as the second guy). Perhaps to move to somewhere more private.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

10 minutes ago, blck37 said:

Left feeling like the third guy throughout a 3s with 2 escorts who were so into each other. I book the first guy for an overnight and the second guy for 2h; so there was a lot of fucking and resting in between. They did their job well in so far the actual fucking goes. But i cant help feel like a random meat bag/ hole that was there to just be fucked - its not a good feeling. They would:

> pull each other for french kiss throughout the session; and only give me lips peck now and then and only if I initiate first. There was a moment where they are deep eating each other face with hands on each other whilst i was standing next to them doing nothing, i just stand there like some statue. None of them even put their hands on me. They only stop after i move to sit on the bed.

> pull each other for a cuddle and caressing each other during resting on bed; whilst i would be left aside. Was so awkward for me I often just go stand beside the bed or sit on sofa or went to toilet or sit on bed facing them cuddling

> suggest to take a rest or smoke; then whenever i did they would then make out in front of me. They would fuck me like a machine (no passion) but they would make love with passion so hot that i feel wrong just by being in the room - so i went to toilet often lol

Whilst I am aware that I cant demand attraction from them, i would prefer them to not do it in front of me and on my dime.

To top it off, the first guy finish earlier than agreed time (finish at the same time as the second guy). Perhaps to move to somewhere more private.

It sounds as if you just randomly put together two escorts and it didn't work out for you.

Learn from this.  Find an escort who has a second he works well with.  Don't just throw two strangers together and expect that it's going to work out in your favor.

Also, when it's not working out, don't exacerbate being the odd man out.  Ask one or both of them to leave.

No, you cannot demand them to pay attention to you, but you can end things and save yourself the stress.

Edited May 8 by BenjaminNicholas