Providers not responding to inquiries

[NYXboy]

52 minutes ago, Archangel said:

 

I’m still not understanding how a provider would know if I’ve reached out to only him or to multiple guys from my opening text(s). That seems like an unfair and possibly false assumption for a provider to make, and if he does care about the work, a sure way to lose real clients.

The more you text and the less you book, the higher chance you have poor reviews. if you are reaching out to multiple providers with just questions and not bookings they are more likely to leave reviews on you saying you are not serious about making a booking. Does that make sense?

 

if providers are only making 16% of enquirers into bookings - why would they bother responding to someone who is noted to not follow through?

[jmichaeliii]

1 hour ago, handiacefailure said:

I run into that a lot with providers coming to Detroit   I'll send them a message and get no response.    I will ask their rate and I think that a lot of providers don't like that, but I don't want to waste my time or theirs if the rate is absurd.   

I have found the rate question has ended communication a few times, which makes no sense.  It's a waste of both sides time if the budget doesn't work.

[dbar123]

I think it pays to be more direct and convey some sense of urgency if you want an actionable response. 
 

Like “ Looking to get a 90 minute massage on Tuesday evening. Are you available and how much do you charge incall?”

[DWnyc]

5 hours ago, NYXboy said:

my take is if everyone did this then providers would be making bookings out of only 1 in 6 enquires -   which is only a 16% strike rate - making them less likely to be motivated to reply to a new messages.

Which is a good reactive hit rate … no provider should complain at that

 

[DWnyc]

1 hour ago, jmichaeliii said:

I have found the rate question has ended communication a few times, which makes no sense.  It's a waste of both sides time if the budget doesn't work.

As discussed elsewhere there the culture of “I know my own worth”, “I don’t want to deal with cheap clients” etc can disrupt what should be easy market dynamics (ie it works or it doesn’t work so move on).

And all this gets internalized by some to equate their rate to self esteem etc 

What should be the freest market becomes tangled with all sorts of 21st century / millennial entitlement

 

 

[viewing ownly]

I have to understand that frustration is a two-way street. I have a horrible habit of contacting traveling masseurs that I'm missing out on seeing because my time in town doesn't mesh with theirs. The reason I do this is so they can know that my interest is there, and hope that timing can work out better in the future.

Endgame : I've wasted their time. This helps them on that particular visit not at all. Would this then make it more difficult to see them on a subsequent visit, based on my prior communication? Very possibly, so I should know better and ONLY reach out when I CAN make it work. 

Baby steps - I am getting better. I've stopped ogling over guys who have done massive physique transformations, typing "So wish I could be in Kansas City - kudos on the body work!" Sure, from very occasional time to time I'll get a "thank you", but unless I'm IN their city, I shouldn't be contacting them. 

[Jamie21]

Here’s my take as a masseur. I get a lot of enquiries that go nowhere (although I do respond to all enquiries!). Many potential clients appear to be just browsing and from experience I get to know the likelihood of a booking from the tone and content of their first message.

If they open with “hi” or “hey” it’s 99% certain they’ll never book. 100% certain if they open the conversation with a dick pic (in fact I lied, I don’t reply to dick pics, or ass pics etc). So if you’re getting lots of messages from clients, and perhaps you’re treating this work in a slightly casual way (as many do) and you have an Onlyfans that makes plenty in a passive income way (as many do) then how motivated are you to reply to someone who’s unlikely to turn into a client? Especially if he’s asking very open ended questions.

I find it difficult to answer a question like “can you tell me about your service?” without writing a long response including the style, content, rates, availability, experience level, location etc. Often all of that is on my profile somewhere or on my website, which the enquirer may or may not have seen. 

In those open ended questions I usually just refer the client to my website if they have questions, which might come across as dismissive but all the info is there! 

The best way to maximise chances of a reply is to approach professional looking guys (don’t be taken in by thirst trap pics), look at the spelling and grammar on his profile, look at how long he’s been around, consider the reviews, look at the quality of the pics more than the content. Then ask direct questions: Hello, I saw you in RentMasseur (or wherever ) I’d like to book for x time on y day, please let me know your availability. If he responds then you can ask other questions. 
 

 

[Archangel]

12 hours ago, handiacefailure said:

I don't want to waste my time or theirs if the rate is absurd

Asking for their rate is perfectly acceptable. And it shouldn’t be a precluding factor for the client.

That said, I believe that a lot of providers see asking about rates as a sign a client is “generous.” Again, not for all for providers but for many, they aren’t looking to provide a service first and foremost. They’re looking to get paid for something they could easily get for free in the club or Grindr. They aren’t seeing it as business as much as a side hustle, at best.

[Muscleking]

Also we as clients forget that the providers also review us amongst eachother… a provider once told me there is a site I forget what it was called but it’s a site where they can put in our number and leave a review about us, whether I’m a good client or serious or just a time waster.. and a lot of times if a clients has a lot of bad reviews by masseurs or escorts they don’t respond assuming they will be wasting their time.. so there is that also

[sjmuktop]

On 4/24/2024 at 1:35 PM, soloyo215 said:

The panorama seems to be changing. As the market keeps getting saturated with providers wanting to make money, their quality keeps lowering. It's a sad reality. I have experienced some providers who have't been responsive, but I've also experienced some who have responded, but way later, I mean weeks later.

As others state, there are many reasons why a provider might not get back to you, and they range from poor attitude towards their own work or their clients, to legitimate reasons around their availability.

I think it's good advice to keep those who have been responive, let the rest go, and not to get hung up on an unresponsive provider.

I would generally agree with the sentiment aired here. That said, a few of the providers I've had absolutely great sessions with have been really sluggish in their communication, so being patient with them was worth it. 

[massagefan320]

I am very direct in my first message, typically asking for the rate and are you available today.  A lot of these providers are free spirits, they literally don't know where they will be in two weeks.  Some of these people are here today, gone tomorrow.  If you are thinking of booking an appointment like you do your doctor, very few providers act that professionally, and you are better off going to Massage Envy.  I read reviews here to get the lowdown on their massage, I wouldn't want to play 20 questions with a potential client either when I know most people in general aren't serious about booking an appointment.

Edited April 25 by massagefan320

[ToddH]

Thanks for all your responses.  There's a lot to digest.

Edited April 26 by ToddH

[Archangel]

On 4/24/2024 at 8:56 PM, NYXboy said:

The more you text and the less you book, the higher chance you have poor reviews. if you are reaching out to multiple providers with just questions and not bookings they are more likely to leave reviews on you saying you are not serious about making a booking. Does that make sense?

No. I don’t believe I have any reviews on my RM client profile and all my actual bookings have been positive, save two, and one of those the provider afterwards said he had a good time. So a bad review of me, the client, doesn’t make sense.

I should say that it’s more likely than not that I get a response. I’m speaking to those times it has happened that I haven’t. And maybe also to those times when the response to the opening text from me is “hi” or “hey whats up” (just like that – including poor grammar). These aren’t the norm, but I do feel they’ve become more frequent, but again, definitely not the majority.

There was something else I wanted to say, related but not specific to this, but by now after writing that, I’ve forgotten 😂 chalk it up to age! 🤣 

[Your Man in Arlington]

8 hours ago, Archangel said:

I don’t believe I have any reviews on my RM client profile

The reviews would most likely be on Mr Number. RM doesn't allow providers to review clients on their platform.

[Archangel]

2 hours ago, Your Man in Arlington said:

The reviews would most likely be on Mr Number. RM doesn't allow providers to review clients on their platform.

Even still. By your reasoning, my number is there and showing up as an issue. I don’t have many providers NOT respond. Yet…some don’t. It doesn’t reasonably hold. What seems more reasonable is that some of the providers I contact who don’t reply are not great at responding. If I rarely got a response, Mr. Number issues would make more sense. But I do largely have responses. The few who don’t respond would therefore seem like they’re not serious about consistently providing.

Sometimes the issue isn’t the client. 

[+ APPLE1]

On 4/25/2024 at 12:54 AM, Jamie21 said:

Here’s my take as a masseur. I get a lot of enquiries that go nowhere (although I do respond to all enquiries!). Many potential clients appear to be just browsing and from experience I get to know the likelihood of a booking from the tone and content of their first message.

If they open with “hi” or “hey” it’s 99% certain they’ll never book. 100% certain if they open the conversation with a dick pic (in fact I lied, I don’t reply to dick pics, or ass pics etc). So if you’re getting lots of messages from clients, and perhaps you’re treating this work in a slightly casual way (as many do) and you have an Onlyfans that makes plenty in a passive income way (as many do) then how motivated are you to reply to someone who’s unlikely to turn into a client? Especially if he’s asking very open ended questions.

I find it difficult to answer a question like “can you tell me about your service?” without writing a long response including the style, content, rates, availability, experience level, location etc. Often all of that is on my profile somewhere or on my website, which the enquirer may or may not have seen. 

In those open ended questions I usually just refer the client to my website if they have questions, which might come across as dismissive but all the info is there! 

The best way to maximise chances of a reply is to approach professional looking guys (don’t be taken in by thirst trap pics), look at the spelling and grammar on his profile, look at how long he’s been around, consider the reviews, look at the quality of the pics more than the content. Then ask direct questions: Hello, I saw you in RentMasseur (or wherever ) I’d like to book for x time on y day, please let me know your availability. If he responds then you can ask other questions. 
 

 

I would like a little clarity on that please. I am assuming when you talk about opening with "hi" or "hey, " and 99% certain they'll never book, you mean those words alone in a message.  As opposed to "hey [or hi], I saw you in RentMasseur (or wherever ) I’d like...."

Correct?
 

Edited April 27 by APPLE1
Clarity

[Jamie21]

5 hours ago, APPLE1 said:

I would like a little clarity on that please. I am assuming when you talk about opening with "hi" or "hey, " and 99% certain they'll never book, you mean those words alone in a message.  As opposed to "hey [or hi], I saw you in RentMasseur (or wherever ) I’d like...."

Correct?
 

Correct. I should have been clearer. It’s the unaccompanied “hi” or “hey”, then nothing. What’s even more strange is that if I do reply with “hello” often nothing then comes back. It’s as if they’re testing to see if your number is genuine. 

[Archangel]

What should a client make of such a similar exchange—

C – Hi. I saw your ad on RM. I’d like to ask about booking for an overnight. What all does that entail with you and what is your rate?

P – Hi

I’ve had this happen, perhaps not with that exact opener but something akin to it. On more than one occasion. When it does, I move on. This isn’t going to be a promising exchange, by my estimate.

 

Edited April 28 by Archangel

[NJF]

12 hours ago, Archangel said:

What should a client make of such a similar exchange—

C – Hi. I saw your ad on RM. I’d like to ask about booking for an overnight. What all does that entail with you and what is your rate?

P – Hi

I’ve had this happen, perhaps not with that exact opener but something akin to it. On more than one occasion. When it does, I move on. This isn’t going to be a promising exchange, by my estimate.

 

Take the cue and move on 😂 

[TonyDown]

Anyone watch Seinfeld re-runs, the soup guy that bans customers for saying the wrong thing?   "No soup for you, 1 year! ". 😄

I was surprised at the post recommending to avoid starting with "Hi" or "Hey".  I suppose that could be grounds for being ghosted by some.   However, I do tend to begin with "Good morning" or "Hello", just to be polite and also to be clear this is a new conversation.

IMO the best way to start is something brief.

"Good morning, are you booking incall appointments this weekend?"  If the P is a repeat, that should be adequate.

After getting a response, I work on the details but keep the messages clear and economical.  Make it easy.  If P responds "When?" I usually suggest a window of time and ask "What works for you?"

Some providers offer a template response with possible rates, duration, and other details.  To me that's a good sign they are serious about keeping the communication brief and getting something booked.

But yeah there have been times when I get nothing.  It may not help spending too much time wondering why.      I just move on, at least for awhile. 

Edited April 28 by TonyDown

[Archangel]

Wrinkle:

I’ve had Providers ask me what I’m into. And in those instances it’s ME who rolls my eyes and thinks, “I don’t want to detail what turns me on!” So I can appreciate the frustration that a Provider may have with an open-ended “What do you offer.”

Answer: I fuck you! 🤣 

I’ve figured out how to keep the answer to a Provider asking “economical.” But it still seems like a chore. I find that’s when a call (which I like to do with most first-time overnight Providers anyhow) is more efficient. 

[prof]

I'm engaged is a profession in which I provide a service. Although not the type of service discussed here, I believe the same rules apply: I should be polite and responsive if I want to continue to have business. No potential client has to tie himself in knots with worry about whether I'll be offended if he starts with "Hi" or says something that just might ruffle my delicate feathers. Usually I am willing to answer a few simple questions. It's business, and business rules apply. Competitors will get the business if I don't follow through. Sure, some potential clients might be goofs, but that's what happens in dealing with the public. If I couldn't do all the above, I'd change professions. 

[+ DrownedBoy]

3 hours ago, NJF said:

Take the cue and move on 😂 

Let's see if I  can remember this one chat dialogue:

 

Me: Hi <escort name>, I saw your ad on RentMen. Call me <my name>. Are you available this evening for a 1 or 2 hour outcall?

Escort: Hi

Me: Are you working tonight?

Escort: Hey

Me: Never mind....

[Archangel]

28 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

Me: Hi <escort name>, I saw your ad on RentMen. Call me <my name>. Are you available this evening for a 1 or 2 hour outcall?

Escort: Hi

Me: Are you working tonight?

Escort: Hey

Me: Never mind....

It’s these goldies you live for! 

[Archangel]

2 hours ago, prof said:

I'm engaged is a profession in which I provide a service. Although not the type of service discussed here, I believe the same rules apply: I should be polite and responsive if I want to continue to have business. No potential client has to tie himself in knots with worry about whether I'll be offended if he starts with "Hi" or says something that just might ruffle my delicate feathers. Usually I am willing to answer a few simple questions. It's business, and business rules apply. Competitors will get the business if I don't follow through. Sure, some potential clients might be goofs, but that's what happens in dealing with the public. If I couldn't do all the above, I'd change professions. 

I agree with you.

It’s good to remember that it’s a business, on both sides. Too many Clients can get personally attached to Providers as well. That’s a bit further along than the opening line of the exchange though. But it’s true. Some Clients seem to forget that, although respect for each other as persons is obvious, it isn’t a friendship or “relationship.” It’s a business, which is a relationship, but not like that.

The best Client-Provider relationship is one that can feel like a friendship or “relationship” but maintains the boundaries of business.