Do most clients hiring masseurs expect a happy ending?

[socurious]

What does happy ending exactly mean? Should you let the client know you are into it directly or how?

Don't judge me. I'm new to this. I was just wordering because I have zero skills as a masseur and would like to try. I know it sounds silly. I will be reading your responses. 

Edited October 24, 2023 by socurious

[+ nycman]

To me, "happy ending" means at a minimum the massage therapist will provide a hand job.

But even with just that…there are hand jobs, and then there are HAND JOBS!

It’s extremely variable. I’ve had everything from full on "fuck me daddy’ passionate fucking to the masseur not touching me above my knees or below by waist the entire time. I don’t ask too many questions ahead of time. For me part of the fun is not really knowing how far things will or won’t go. But yeah, a hand job is the minimum. HAND JOB preferred. Crazy wild sex is great but far from expected. Less than a hand job? I chalk it up to experience and list the providers last name as "Loser" in my phone, so I do t make the same mistake again. 

I’m not really into servicing a guys cock that he just shoves into my face. It’s a turn off. But that’s me. 

[Simon Suraci]

Answer to title question: yes. Every client, no, but most, yes. 

No masseur is obligated to provide a HE, but almost all clients want and expect one, especially from an independent masseur advertising on m4m platforms. Unless the masseur explicitly advertises “therapeutic only” or similar phrasing, with appropriate pricing to match, the norm is to provide some level of erotic elements. What those are and how far they go varies widely.

I agree with @nycman’s post in almost every respect.

Full service during a massage (i.e. penetration) demands escort pricing and client agreement on said pricing beforehand. Otherwise you’re leaving a lot of money and self respect on the table. Please don’t do this, for your sake, and for the sake of others in the profession who have to deal with incredibly unreasonable client expectations of us to provide escort service for a massage price.

If you’re not skilled at massage, I recommend sticking to escort service. There’s nothing more disappointing than a massage from a provider who has no idea what he is doing. You can learn, of course, but until you develop your skills, I recommend not advertising massage.

[Jamie21]

Happy ending is the client reaches climax. Most clients have that minimum expectation of a sensual massage. A small number of my clients don’t expect that but 99% want it. But they also want a great massage. You have to provide both. It’s no good doing a poor massage and then a hand job, nor is it good doing a great massage but not touching his cock! I’m fine to provide the happy ending in any way they like whether that’s hand job or bj or body contact etc. 

Most clients want to interact with me. I usually say they’re welcome to interact with me as much or as little as they like and see what their expectations are. Usually that has been agreed at the booking stage anyway. Then it’s up to them. Some will suck me, some want to do more. I think it’s important to be clear about what’s ok and what isn’t included and let them do whatever they like within those parameters. 

[soloyo215]

19 hours ago, socurious said:

What does happy ending exactly mean? Should you let the client know you are into it directly or how?

Don't judge me. I'm new to this. I was just wordering because I have zero skills as a masseur and would like to try. I know it sounds silly. I will be reading your responses. 

I don't think there's anything to judge. It's a simple legitimate question (IMO), though it might not have a simple answer.

The way a provider told me when I asked about happy endings is that he is as much of a man as the rest, so he thinks about what he'd like to happen and "gives clients a choice". The specifics are up for negotiation. Sounded rather vague, but I understand that the answer can be simple or complex, depending on who you ask. It's one of those things that mean different things for different people

I believe that clients might expect being happy after the experience, but not all expect something sexual. That's why they are specifications about therapeutic only in RM. However, the other side is more vague and (IMO) coded to some degree.

I am not much of a person who asks specifics and I have gotten happy endings that range from one end of the spectrum to the other end of the spectrum. I leave happy every time (that is discounting the experiences where the provider has ripped me off, there were never meant to be a happy ending of any kind for me on those).

Edited October 24, 2023 by soloyo215

[+ keroscenefire]

This is what I (and I think most clients) would anticipate based on the following Rentmasseur levels of massage:

Therapeutic: A great, therapeutic massage to relax the muscles probably with a clothed masseur, maybe in his underwear. If I got a hand job, great but I would not expect it.

Sensual: A great, therapeutic massage to relax the muscles done likely nude or in skimpy underwear. Almost for sure a hand job to climax, perhaps some mutual touching (his body and probably his dick), oral unlikely but possible.

Erotic: A great, therapeutic massage to relax the muscles almost for sure done nude. Definitely a hand job to climax, almost for sure some mutual touching (his dick/body) , probably including oral (maybe receptive and giving), probably not fucking or anything else, but possible, more likely for an "upcharge" to escort services.

Edited October 25, 2023 by keroscenefire

[sfhairyman415]

For me, the build up to will he/won’t he is half the fun.

[+ The Big Guy]

14 minutes ago, sfhairyman415 said:

For me, the build up to will he/won’t he is half the fun.

I like the anticipation as well.  Now having said that, I always specify erotic massage and would be disappointed if I didn’t get the HE.  A hand job is all I expect.  I have only been disappointed a couple times over many hires.  

[Rudynate]

I have noticed that you can be disappointed when you hire for sensual or erotic, I always hire for therapeutic, which often morphs into sensual or erotic.  If it doesn't it's OK because therapeutic is what I hired for, after all.

[+ keroscenefire]

12 hours ago, Rudynate said:

I have noticed that you can be disappointed when you hire for sensual or erotic, I always hire for therapeutic, which often morphs into sensual or erotic.  If it doesn't it's OK because therapeutic is what I hired for, after all.

I agree. The worst outcome to me is an overpriced crappy massage that doesn't actually have any therapeutic value and some half-assed handjob. I don't want to pay $200 for being jerked off basically. 

[Rudynate]

39 minutes ago, keroscenefire said:

I agree. The worst outcome to me is an overpriced crappy massage that doesn't actually have any therapeutic value and some half-assed handjob. I don't want to pay $200 for being jerked off basically. 

Exactly!!

[LD19847]

I would only expect a HE if the masseur advertises a sensual massage.  

For me the most important thing is that the masseur delivers what they advertise.  I had one experience recently where everything - the masseur's physique, studio, massage - was completely at odds with the impression given on his website and in reviews.

[JamesB]

IMHO if the masseur advertises as "Erotic", I would expect some kind of HE. Also the rate charged should give you an idea. 

[FrancisCA]

On 10/24/2023 at 1:58 AM, Simon Suraci said:

There’s nothing more disappointing than a massage from a provider who has no idea what he is doing. You can learn, of course, but until you develop your skills, I recommend not advertising massage.

I 100% agree on this statement and the number of time clients tell me a bad massage story is too far many. 

If you do want to learn take SOME sort of class and practice. There is a reason why you have to put your 500 hours because it does take time.

[KennF]

On 10/24/2023 at 4:58 AM, Simon Suraci said:

If you’re not skilled at massage, I recommend sticking to escort service. There’s nothing more disappointing than a massage from a provider who has no idea what he is doing. You can learn, of course, but until you develop your skills, I recommend not advertising massage.

And this is where I hit the "too much dialogue" problem.  Guys who offer a massage and I ask if they are trained.  When I want a massage, even if I want a massage + more, I still want a good massage.

I was a LMT for a lot of years, and I really prefer someone who knows what they're doing.  And, I might want a HE or more (at a higher rate).

For me, there is nothing worse than someone advertising massage (instead of body rub) and not knowing how to give a massage.

[rustyrex]

After being a client with this long term I would say this, what are your true intentions?  Are you just trying to make extra money for a side hustle or are you interested in delving into side of sexuality of being desired and being payed for it.  There are a lot of men that are unskilled in both massage and emotional intelligence and once they get into this type of work they become emotional drained, more apprehensive about gay men in general, and jaded with the business of providing a service that is extremely personal to a complete stranger.  For example, the last guy I hired for a massage was very apprehensive about meeting me and wanted various things up front before the encounter such as payment with cash.  The appointment was in his home, which was in a very bad side of town, and I could tell that he wasn't even comfortable with me being there until he realized I was not a threat.  His body was amazing and he was somewhat personable but very stand offish.  He was unskilled despite him telling me he had training and his manner wasn't welcoming.  He did offer a happy ending but once he got started it was like he wanted me to cum in 3 minutes.  I had to finish myself off but the encounter wasn't the best.  I will never go back to him again and I noticed that he took his ad down a week later.  I don't think he had it in him to continue providing that kind of service.  He told me that the business wasn't that good and that his safety was compromised with a couple of guys that he had to call the cops on.  He told me that he would get calls in the middle of the night from men that were high and wanted to be seen and would harass him if he refused.  He told me about having a guy steal from him and having to pull a gun on another guy to get him to leave.  He told me he doesn't see men of color because of his past experiences with them and that he's refused someone at the door once he sees them.  The real kicker is that he is only one of the many stories these men tell me.  While there was a time I thought about going into the business myself I had to ask myself why and what were my expectations of the money and reward for being desirable.  I decided it wasn't for me.  The job I have now provides me a sense of being in that business, I work in healthcare, but at the end of the day I'm emotionally exhausted and want to be in cocoon away from others so I can recharge.  It takes a special type of soul to be in the business, if you have what it takes then give it a try.

[marylander1940]

On 10/23/2023 at 10:53 PM, socurious said:

What does happy ending exactly mean? Should you let the client know you are into it directly or how?

Don't judge me. I'm new to this. I was just wordering because I have zero skills as a masseur and would like to try. I know it sounds silly. I will be reading your responses. 

An overwhelming percentage of them do and they want to get off with something cheaper than hiring an escort. 

We even have frequent poster who bragged about not telling masseurs he was about to cum but if he tells them only 5% of them would swallow.... his post got plenty of 👍 on here! 

@socurious DON'T do massages is a waste of time, is exhausting and you'll get paid less for the same amount of time and 4 times the effort! You can be thinking what's for dinner while getting/giving a blow job but if you're massaging you have to be focus, it's just not worth it. 

 

Edited November 1, 2023 by marylander1940

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

On 10/23/2023 at 7:53 PM, socurious said:

What does happy ending exactly mean? Should you let the client know you are into it directly or how?

Don't judge me. I'm new to this. I was just wordering because I have zero skills as a masseur and would like to try. I know it sounds silly. I will be reading your responses. 

When I book a masseur, I am looking for a genuinely good massage... At least for the first 90 minutes of a 2 hour session.  What happens in the last 30 minutes of a 2 hour session is unexpected.  I will tell you this: I won't return to a masseur who gave a mediocre massage but threw in a happy ending.  But I will always return to a masseur who gives a thorough deep tissue massage, and just happens to brush up against the goods at the very end.

[pubic_assistance]

9 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

DON'T do massages is a waste of time, is exhausting and you'll get paid less for the same amount of time and 4 times the effort!

Although masseurs make less than escorts, I don't think the profession is a "waste of time".

I don't make $400 an hour myself...but then I'm also not cut-out to be taking it up the ass daily for a bunch or old-fat men.

Fucking multiple strangers for cash is not for everyone. Massage requires some exertion but a hand-job happy ending doesn't and also doesn't require you getting it up for a bunch of men you don't find attractive. You can easily have three or four massage clients a day...but can you cum four times a day with some old-fat dude who you're not attracted to ?

Seems to me that massage is the easier choice of profession, not escorting.

[marylander1940]

46 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

Although masseurs make less than escorts, I don't think the profession is a "waste of time".

I don't make $400 an hour myself...but then I'm also not cut-out to be taking it up the ass daily for a bunch or old-fat men.

Fucking multiple strangers for cash is not for everyone. Massage requires some exertion but a hand-job happy ending doesn't and also doesn't require you getting it up for a bunch of men you don't find attractive. You can easily have three or four massage clients a day...but can you cum four times a day with some old-fat dude who you're not attracted to ?

Seems to me that massage is the easier choice of profession, not escorting.

Not everyone can be a doctor, join the military, etc. What's your point?

Why the constant fat shaming? 

7 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

When I book a masseur, I am looking for a genuinely good massage... At least for the first 90 minutes of a 2 hour session.  What happens in the last 30 minutes of a 2 hour session is unexpected.  I will tell you this: I won't return to a masseur who gave a mediocre massage but threw in a happy ending.  But I will always return to a masseur who gives a thorough deep tissue massage, and just happens to brush up against the goods at the very end.

Brush up... that's how a gentleman talks! 😉 

[Daddyshere67]

I go into a massage appointment with the full expectation of a thorough body rub all over including hand release. 
if he is good and seems to enjoy it and is turned on, I’ll gladly touch him and suck him and prefer some body on body time. 
I don’t ask it just happens and it’s all about chemistry. I’ve had some hot experiences that morphed from the massage. 
I’m not into hiring escorts because the potential attraction with a masseur is spontaneous not expected and I find it way hotter when it does happen 

[Gandalf]

On 11/1/2023 at 9:20 AM, marylander1940 said:

Why the constant fat shaming? 

That's why I've got that poster on block.  It's ugly, unnecessary and on its face anyway, purposely cruel.  It would be just as easy to say "but then I'm quite specific about the type of guy I will have sex with."

Edited December 11, 2023 by Gandalf

[Rudynate]

On 10/25/2023 at 3:13 PM, JamesB said:

IMHO if the masseur advertises as "Erotic", I would expect some kind of HE. Also the rate charged should give you an idea. 

One likes to think so.

[Bargara Leatherboy]

On 11/1/2023 at 10:30 PM, pubic_assistance said:

Although masseurs make less than escorts, I don't think the profession is a "waste of time".

I don't make $400 an hour myself...but then I'm also not cut-out to be taking it up the ass daily for a bunch or old-fat men.

Fucking multiple strangers for cash is not for everyone. Massage requires some exertion but a hand-job happy ending doesn't and also doesn't require you getting it up for a bunch of men you don't find attractive. You can easily have three or four massage clients a day...but can you cum four times a day with some old-fat dude who you're not attracted to ?

Seems to me that massage is the easier choice of profession, not escorting.

as an old fat man - there are plenty of gentleman out there who are happy to take my money and provide a service that I am happy with, and sometimes (more often than not) delight in.

 

I get sexual attraction - but isn't this work rather than getting off like you would if you picked up a hot guy you are attracted to in a bar or on an app .

[pubic_assistance]

48 minutes ago, Bargara Leatherboy said:

as an old fat man - there are plenty of gentleman out there who are happy to take my money and provide a service that I am happy with, and sometimes (more often than not) delight in.

 

I get sexual attraction - but isn't this work rather than getting off like you would if you picked up a hot guy you are attracted to in a bar or on an app .

I was responding to Marylander's advice that massage "wasn't worth it."  I disagree.

I think someone can easily see a few massage clients a day @ 150 x 4 = 600

Escorts are unlikely to see more than one or two.  300 x 2 = 600

Plus - Jerking off someone on your massage table is far less humiliating than taking it up the ass for someone who you're not attracted to. ( Yes it's just for work ).

I think massage is the more comfortable career choice for most.