What are your red flags?

[Guest]

On 4/29/2023 at 4:06 PM, NyGold said:

I think some providers like to convey a tough / rough image and some clients like it 

Even the "tough guys" should show a softer side at least from a business prospective 😉

[Oakman]

How much initial texting conversation between a client and provider is appropriate to seal the deal? It can be quick and easy to communicate time and rate, but really understanding the service the client desires or the service the provider is interested in providing may involve an actual conversation (so many minutes!).
 

As a client, I always reach out with a stack of photos, self-description, and the scenario I’m interested in, as well as my preferred time-frame. The provider’s initial response had better be engaging and show an understanding of and genuine interest in the scenario. I’ve had great, brief, sexy conversations with some first rate providers. If the provider can’t show (or won’t fake) a little sexy interest in the meet-up, I know it’s not for me.

In my line of work, the cost of “business development” is recovered by having a consistent, satisfied, repeated customer base. 

[Guest]

My red flags 🚩 

raw

pnp

motels

"how big are your feet?"

"that should work"

receiving excessive unsolicited explicit photos.

exclusivity proposals

bragging about your wealth ( it's just gross 🤢 ) 

Edited October 8, 2023 by Vin_Marco

[+ glutes]

On 9/14/2023 at 12:26 PM, Vin_Marco said:

"Forget nudes, show me your teeth" 🦷  😂

Yup. If they can't smile and show me some chompers, I lose interest.

[+ DrownedBoy]

On 9/14/2023 at 2:26 PM, Vin_Marco said:

"Forget nudes, show me your teeth" 🦷  😂

Kinda like Grindr.

"I don't need another dick pic, I need to see your face."

[marylander1940]

On 9/13/2023 at 3:04 PM, poolboy48220 said:

Something I'm seeing more often lately, providers who mention they're into findom (financial domination) in their ad.  I do have a mild kink where I enjoy being dominated, but it doesn't extend to my wallet.  I guess I just get a sense that they'd be bringing it up all through the session. 

 

On 9/13/2023 at 8:19 PM, DrownedBoy said:

Yup. If I see "findom," I close the ad immediately.

It takes a new level of lazy to think you can make a living telling others to give you money.

And it takes someone born into money who could enjoy throwing it away.

I think it's because they've been told stories (real or imagined)) about guys who have cash slaves, etc. They're just giving it a shot. 

 

[marylander1940]

My red flag: PNP.... huge turn off. 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

On 9/13/2023 at 7:19 PM, DrownedBoy said:

Yup. If I see "findom," I close the ad immediately.

It takes a new level of lazy to think you can make a living telling others to give you money.

And it takes someone born into money who could enjoy throwing it away.

This is your opinion.  You're entitled to it.

There are others who would heartily disagree.  This is how THEY get sexual gratification.

And most laymen have it absolutely wrong when it comes to the findom scene:  It's the guy paying who has all the power, but the real game is to make him think otherwise.  A smart escort in this situation never forgets that.

It's just a temporary exchange of power.  No different than a lot of other scenes.

Edited October 9, 2023 by BenjaminNicholas

[CuriousByNature]

20 hours ago, glutes said:

Yup. If they can't smile and show me some chompers, I lose interest.

[+ Jamie21]

22 hours ago, Vin_Marco said:

"how big are your feet?"

This is not a red flag for me. It’s surprising how many clients have a thing for feet! I’m size 11  (UK size) 😉.

All the others I concur. Especially the unsolicited dick pics and the nonchalant responses which imply lack of commitment to keeping the booking. But the biggest red flag is a message that just says “hey”. 
 

 

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Jamie21 said:

This is not a red flag for me. It’s surprising how many clients have a thing for feet! I’m size 11  (UK size) 😉.

All the others I concur. Especially the unsolicited dick pics and the nonchalant responses which imply lack of commitment to keeping the booking. But the biggest red flag is a message that just says “hey”. 
 

 

I wear a size 12 😎 the people I see that do love my feet, really love my feet. I was referring to the people that I've never met who contact me on RM, asking me, "how big are your feet?" Historically, those rarely pan out, simply PIC COLLECTORS or just folks jerking off to senseless correspondence.

Edited October 9, 2023 by Vin_Marco

[+ BobPS]

1 hour ago, Vin_Marco said:

I wear a size 12 😎 the people I see that do love my feet, really love my feet. I was referring to the people that I've never met who contact me on RM, asking me, "how big are your feet?" Historically, those rarely pan out, simply PIC COLLECTORS or just folks jerking off to senseless correspondence.

What a coincidence. We have the same shoe size 😂😂

[prof]

5 hours ago, CuriousByNature said:

Great teeth, and they're all hung like a horse!

[GTMike]

5 hours ago, Vin_Marco said:

I wear a size 12 😎 the people I see that do love my feet, really love my feet. I was referring to the people that I've never met who contact me on RM, asking me, "how big are your feet?" Historically, those rarely pan out, simply PIC COLLECTORS or just folks jerking off to senseless correspondence.

I was originally confused as to why you had thought that haha.  Now i understand your perspective.

Maybe in an escort profile they should just list their shoe shize with other info in order to cut-down on some of the question volume? 

[Guest]

31 minutes ago, GTMike said:

I was originally confused as to why you had thought that haha.  Now i understand your perspective.

Maybe in an escort profile they should just list their shoe shize with other info in order to cut-down on some of the question volume? 

Or it might open another can of worms and endless podiatry inquiries 🤣

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

15 minutes ago, Vin_Marco said:

Or it might open another can of worms and endless podiatry inquiries 🤣

If I close my eyes, I can almost see the hammertoe and bunion fetishists messages now.

[Your Man in Arlington]

7 hours ago, Vin_Marco said:

I wear a size 12 😎 the people I see that do love my feet, really love my feet.

Is 12 considered big, as in appealing to the feet-loving people? Are prehensile toes an advantage? If so, I should have been advertising that when I was a provider way too, too many years ago. 😆

Edited October 10, 2023 by Your Man in Arlington

[GTMike]

17 minutes ago, Your Man in Arlington said:

Is 12 considered big, as in appealing to the feet-loving people? Are prehensile toes an advantage? If so, I should have been advertising that when I was a provider way too, too many years ago. 😆

Ahh haha yes 100% to many that could've been a great positive influencing factor.   

[buckguy]

A number of years ago, when agencies still existed, I tracked turnover among their providers over the course of a couple years. One thing that stood out was almost half the new guys didn't last a month. Anecdotally, I've noticed that to be a constant over time and I avoid anyone new.  The couple times I did hire new guys, they seemed very disorganized (I may have been their 1st clients in both cases), asking for more time, pics, etc.) which frankly took away some of the desire on my part. So....if someone is truly new, I give them a pass. Let someone else train them up and if they stick around at least a month, I have some faith that they making a go of this. Younger guys (those under about 25) also tend to be less organized as business people--they forget the lube, don't understand how different kinds of cities work, etc. I'm glad I'm not usually drawn to twinks.

What's also clear is that if someone leaves the business, they often return, but frequently it's not for long. Again, I wait to see if they're committed to their comeback tour.

My guess is that many guys have an exit strategy--they plan to do this for a fixed length of time or until they build a nest egg or pay off a debt. A very small number truly make it a profession and many fairly long-term guys have something else going on---they may be writers, artists, students, etc. 

[+ DrownedBoy]

4 hours ago, buckguy said:

A number of years ago, when agencies still existed, I tracked turnover among their providers over the course of a couple years. One thing that stood out was almost half the new guys didn't last a month. Anecdotally, I've noticed that to be a constant over time and I avoid anyone new.  The couple times I did hire new guys, they seemed very disorganized (I may have been their 1st clients in both cases), asking for more time, pics, etc.) which frankly took away some of the desire on my part. So....if someone is truly new, I give them a pass. Let someone else train them up and if they stick around at least a month, I have some faith that they making a go of this. Younger guys (those under about 25) also tend to be less organized as business people--they forget the lube, don't understand how different kinds of cities work, etc. I'm glad I'm not usually drawn to twinks.

What's also clear is that if someone leaves the business, they often return, but frequently it's not for long. Again, I wait to see if they're committed to their comeback tour.

My guess is that many guys have an exit strategy--they plan to do this for a fixed length of time or until they build a nest egg or pay off a debt. A very small number truly make it a profession and many fairly long-term guys have something else going on---they may be writers, artists, students, etc. 

Yeah, I learned that while hiring. I'm to a point where I screen out anyone under 30 unless I research their personality.

In my experience, when young, hot escorts start out, and they find they're really popular, it goes to their head. I can't stand that - they act like they're young on Grindr, while forgetting they're really on RentMen and getting compensated. They think they can be "fashionably late." And too many client enablers let them get away with that. When I was young, I swore I'd never put up with brats, even if they were hot and young. That's been an easy oath to uphold.

After a few years (and as they get closer to the originally-planned "cash out" date), they tend to be nicer and more professional. They also realize the gravy train won't go on forever, and that they aren't as cute as when they started, so they're more humble and realistic as well. 

And, yes, there are many artists, writers, etc. out there escorting. Those jobs are unlikely to ever pay the bills, but it gives them culture that makes for good conversation.

[Aceface]

Are there any obvious or non obvious red flags for not booking someone?

[misterhumphries]

My red flags are pictures that are headless or fuzzy or clearly are composites of two or more different men. As a personal preference any escort who declares himself "straight" while hawking his wares to presumably gay men would NEVER get my business. I am not an ATM. I am not putting myself in the way of dealing with any man's unresolved sexual identity issues.

[marylander1940]

19 hours ago, Aceface said:

Are there any obvious or non obvious red flags for not booking someone?

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

PNP

[LaSanta]

A lot of these "red flags" aren't really red flags. Plenty of escorts don't like showing their face because of privacy concerns (as simple as that). Oh Lord, I can actually go all day long. 

[Aceface]

Mine beforehand are vague, like when they don’t tell you exactly what they can offer you. I like to be upfront about it so we both know what’s going o happen. I know they probably don’t like to say out of safety. My red flag when I get there is asking money upfront then not being able to “perform” and them not wanting to reduce the rate since they couldn’t do what was agreed upon.