What caused the decay of San Francisco?

[+ José Soplanucas]

17 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

You, like most others, call it an outrage because you worked hard to provide for yourself and your community.  Unfortunately there's a growing vocal mindset who believe they and others are pre-destined to fail, that life is rigged against them, and they're owed three square meals a day and shelter without contributing back what they can to society.

Your statement does not make sense out of the proper context. No one is saying that they are victims of life. We live in a Capitalist system that is structurally biased in favor of the rich. THAT is the life we are talking about.

Edited June 6, 2023 by José Soplanucas

[+ José Soplanucas]

3 minutes ago, BSR said:

Oh, so I can lock you out of your condo and live there for free while you are forced to keep paying the mortgage, HOA, homeowners, property tax, and utilities?  And 3 years from now, after you've spent tens of $thousands in legal fees and I've caused tens of $thousands in damage, I don't owe you one thin dime?

Great!  When can I move in?  Wait, forget that, 'cuz you have no say in the matter.  I'll take over your place whenever I damn well please.

¡Gracias, tío, te debo una gorda!

You think you made an argument. You did not. The homeless problem is solved. Now you should fix the problem of an unfair economic system that allows people to accumulate wealth they do not need while others do not have where to live or work 18 hours per day and still cannot pay the rent. That is a problem. 

[pubic_assistance]

6 minutes ago, José Soplanucas said:

The homeless problem is solved. 

🤣🤣🤣

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

I am thankful that San Francisco has a large swath of gay escorts and massuers available.  During my last visit in 2018, prices and availability for their services were better than New York, and almost as good as Los Angeles.

[BSR]

Just now, José Soplanucas said:

You think you made an argument. You did not. The homeless problem is solved. Now you should fix the problem of an unfair economic system that allows people to accumulate wealth they do not need while others do not have where to live or work 18 hours per day and still cannot pay the rent. That is a problem. 

As I stated previously, the homeless problem is complicated.  Yes, something is wrong with our system when millions of people work full-time yet can't afford housing or medical care.  That is an extensive political discussion that we unfortunately cannot pursue on this forum.

But I'm shocked that you think the solution is giving government the power to confiscate property at will and redistribute it however government sees fit.  If your proposed system is so superior, then why do all those people risking their lives on inner tubes in the Strait of Florida try to float away from your beautiful system and toward the evil, oppressive, and unjust system?

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

I would say the decay of San Francisco could be the Internet.  Now that is so easy to find guys online, there is less demand for gay bars and theaters.

[+ jessmapex]

1 hour ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

I am thankful that San Francisco has a large swath of gay escorts and massuers available.  During my last visit in 2018, prices and availability for their services were better than New York, and almost as good as Los Angeles.

I think you visited SF during a good week and perhaps a better year. The options available these days are not very good. Few visitors, but the local trade scene is pretty much gone. 

I think we should focus on solving the quality, vgl, reasonably priced escort availability problem on this forum than dealing with intractable problems like gun violence, opioid addiction, and homelessness in the US. Let's leave those for the society at large. 

[+ José Soplanucas]

2 hours ago, BSR said:

As I stated previously, the homeless problem is complicated.  Yes, something is wrong with our system when millions of people work full-time yet can't afford housing or medical care.  That is an extensive political discussion that we unfortunately cannot pursue on this forum.

But I'm shocked that you think the solution is giving government the power to confiscate property at will and redistribute it however government sees fit.  If your proposed system is so superior, then why do all those people risking their lives on inner tubes in the Strait of Florida try to float away from your beautiful system and toward the evil, oppressive, and unjust system?

Yes? I did not hear about Spaniards running away from their bloody tyranny violating their private property rights. I may be reading the wrong news.

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

44 minutes ago, jessmapex said:

I think you visited SF during a good week and perhaps a better year. The options available these days are not very good. Few visitors, but the local trade scene is pretty much gone. 

I think we should focus on solving the quality, vgl, reasonably priced escort availability problem on this forum than dealing with intractable problems like gun violence, opioid addiction, and homelessness in the US. Let's leave those for the society at large. 

I also visited on a week the sun was out.  So yes, it was very much an anomaly that week 😆

[BSR]

3 hours ago, José Soplanucas said:

Yes? I did not hear about Spaniards running away from their bloody tyranny violating their private property rights. I may be reading the wrong news.

Maybe just a poor judge of human nature.  Are you going to let some selfish mooch take your house away just like that?  Or are you gonna fight like hell to defend what's yours?  If it were me, I'm going Braveheart on that okupa's ass.

Have you figured out yet why all the people on inner tubes float in only one direction across the Strait of Florida?

[+ José Soplanucas]

3 hours ago, BSR said:

Maybe just a poor judge of human nature.  Are you going to let some selfish mooch take your house away just like that?  Or are you gonna fight like hell to defend what's yours?  If it were me, I'm going Braveheart on that okupa's ass.

Have you figured out yet why all the people on inner tubes float in only one direction across the Strait of Florida?

Oops, now you changed your argument. I thought the problem was the Spanish tyranny flooding US borders with its victims.  

Perhaps it is hard for you to give up your decades-old anti-communist tropes. Breaking news: we were discussing Madrid's solution to the homeless challenge. Try to stay on topic.

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

3 hours ago, José Soplanucas said:

Breaking news: we were discussing Madrid's solution to the homeless challenge. Try to stay on topic.

Actually, we were discussing San Francisco.  But that's good advice for everyone to follow anyway: to please try to stay on topic.

Edited June 6, 2023 by Vegas_Millennial

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

On 4/30/2023 at 9:29 AM, azdr0710 said:

SF has been a very liberal, tolerant, very mixed, live-and-let-live city since Gold Rush days.......the tradition continues....... 

That makes sense.  Even they're attitude towards the shared electric scooters left all over the sidewalks is sort of live and let live.

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

I was at SFO airport last week.  I was flying Alaskan airlines first class and had a four hour layover which I spent at the airport in the Alaska first class lounge.  While I felt no desire to venture into the city, I must say the airport was one of the more pleasant airports to layover in.

[mike carey]

12 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

I was at SFO airport last week.  I was flying Alaskan airlines first class and had a four hour layover which I spent at the airport in the Alaska first class lounge.  While I felt no desire to venture into the city, I must say the airport was one of the more pleasant airports to layover in.

Agree, and that lounge is a pleasant place to do it!

[+ Lucky]

The San Francisco Airport is not in San Francisco.

[+ José Soplanucas]

3 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

Actually, we were discussing San Francisco.  But that's good advice for everyone to follow anyway: to please try to stay on topic.

Indeed. And we brought Madrid's example to deal with that situation when the anti-communist parroting started.

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

18 minutes ago, José Soplanucas said:

Indeed. And we brought Madrid's example to deal with that situation when the anti-communist parroting started.

Let's please not discuss politics.

Anything to add about San Francisco would be welcome.

If San Francisco were to have gay strip clubs, I would go visit.  The last time I was there in 2018 I only found one bar with go-go boys, but no strippers.

Edited June 6, 2023 by Vegas_Millennial

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[nate_sf]

12 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

I was at SFO airport last week.  I was flying Alaskan airlines first class and had a four hour layover which I spent at the airport in the Alaska first class lounge.  While I felt no desire to venture into the city, I must say the airport was one of the more pleasant airports to layover in.

Terminal 2 is great, as is the new Terminal 1. They've really done a great job with these new facilities.

[nate_sf]

9 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

If San Francisco were to have gay strip clubs, I would go visit.  The last time I was there in 2018 I only found one bar with go-go boys, but no strippers.

I've never really understood why SF does not have strip clubs. Well, it had a couple of old-style theater strip clubs but those are long gone.

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4 minutes ago, nate_sf said:

I've never really understood why SF does not have strip clubs. Well, it had a couple of old-style theater strip clubs but those are long gone.

They were in dangerous neighborhoods with homeless people about (especially one of them). The homeless problem is complex, but the solution probably lies with treating mental illness and substance abuse, which is a core issue. This was a problem with most homeless people I treated in my career (focused on indigent). I do remember one older gentleman who was homeless in which neither substance abuse nor mental health illness were causative. In his 60s, he had terrible arthritis in his knees which made many jobs for unskilled impossible. The biggest issue for him was that he'd spent decades in prison for fondling a girl when he was a young man. As a registered sex offender, it was very difficult for him to find work or housing. In his case, he was caught in circumstances which limited possible solutions. Most of the time, however, it was mental health and/or substance use responsible for homelessness. 

Are many homeless people in L.A. mentally ill? New findings back the public's perception

WWW.LATIMES.COM

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Mental illness, substance abuse and physical disabilities are much more pervasive in Los Angeles County's homeless population than officials have previously...

 

Of course, what percentage depends on who's doing the study. I personally put a lot more stock into the UCLA study or LA Times study, less so in the Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority.

[+ augustus]

Detroit lost its economic base, and then the society declined.

San Francisco lost its society, and then the economic base declined.

[+ augustus]

All the statistics from the San Francisco mayor, police, and board are FALSE. They are trying to hide the Truth. They destroyed the city forever.   People just DON'T BOTHER TO CALL THE POLICE, as they do not respond.

[+ augustus]

One building in SF, a 22-story glass and stone tower at 350 California Street, was worth around $300 million in 2019, according to real estate records.  That building now is for sale. The bids are expected to come in at about $60 million. That’s an 80% decline in value in just four years.

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Edited June 9, 2023 by augustus