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This is what it means when people take kindness for weakness. 
 

This person was scheduled to book for the evening since earlier today. He shows up, and before we get started I ask to settle up and he says he forgot the money at home. Like literally didn’t seem coherent to the fact that nothing is going to happen unless I receive the payment. He was “embarrassed” and apologetic, but couldn’t go to the atm to get more because that’s all he had. 

People want to keep giving these sob stories of being ripped off or not feeling comfortable, but yet do the very things that compel me to have to ask for it to begin with. They afraid of deposits, but then do moves to inconvenience and waste others time. 
 

But jokes on him because apparently he drove 45 minutes across the valley in California at night. I sent his ass right back out the door 🥾  
 

People expect me to trust them more who only have 1 picture, or no picture at all: versus me with references and reviews. How does that work? It doesn’t…

People have to understand: no matter how much another escort has ripped you off, or failed to deliver…Some of us still have to stand our ground regardless. 
 

I also think people may just be getting generally shittier in the country too because, most every hotel I go to also wants deposits as well. Even your run of the mill budget chains. $100 ON TOP of what I’m already paying. That’s like me asking a client to send $100 on top of my rate, and then say I’m going to give it back. And since I’m a full time traveling provider, that puts even more onus on me to collect deposits because it’s not just the cost of room I have to front and possibly lose, but the hotel deposit out of pocket as well. 

If I have to continue to fight this much, I’m just going to stop touring and hosting. They’re going to need to have everything set up, and it’s not going to be what I’m charging now. 

 

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1 hour ago, DWnyc said:

Doesn’t change anything my friend.

I will never pay deposits to a provider. And if that doesn’t work for him, and that’s totally his prerogative, that’s fine because he won’t be getting my business and we can go our separate ways.

As always, good luck to you 😊

And that’s your personal choice to do. Listen: I’ve been counseling a friend of mine getting that same point across, you can’t make anyone do something they don’t want to do.

Likewise, you can’t really expect some to do business the way you want it either. You may never pay a deposit, but 98% of my bookings are from seeing clients who do deposits. So, it’s all subjective.

However, I decided instead of trying to squeeze blood from a bunch of turnips, it’s better I just once again only respond to clients who can follow instructions and don’t create reasons in their heads to argue over deposits. Because as I just described: non of that is EVER with good intent. Because you basically telling me: 

1. You don’t trust me

2. You don’t want to pay me

3. I shouldn’t make plans for you
 

That guy is lucky I found out from the start he didn’t have the money. I woulda fucking killed him right in this hotel room. It would have been a forensic files case in small town California 😆 I haven’t had that happen in years, something gut feeling told me: make sure you ask the money upfront. And sure enough: I was right. He was just weirdo all the way around.
 

What makes it so bad is I moved a meet with a guy I really liked (off clock meet) who I had met last night thinking I was going to have a booking. Then when the idiot was kicked out, I couldn’t reach the other guy because I told him I was expecting a client and wouldn’t be available unless he flaked 😤 So that in itself is highly inconvenient. That’s exactly why I don’t deal without deposits because it has the potential to affect up my entire evening if they decide to play bi-polar and not go thru.

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1 hour ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Because you basically telling me: 

1. You don’t trust me

2. You don’t want to pay me

3. I shouldn’t make plans for you
 

 

Re #1: ditto

Re #2: no that’s not what it means at all. It means I will pay you for services actually delivered, not those I have no indication of if you are able or willing to provide. And it also means I don’t want to leave a paper trail.

Re: #3: paying you a deposit does not guarantee you are making plans for me, or plans for me in the way that I want and am paying for. I have no confirmation of that until we meet.

Your concerns are legitimate and there may be a happy medium. But your positions are not absolute truths like you keep making them out to be. Or rather, your absolute truths are matched by those on the other side. I can empathize with you, I hope you can with me as well. 

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I've only paid deposits for extended travel and usually let the guy purchase their own ticket. A great deal of trust is involved but I hate playing travel agent and want them to feel they have some autonomy as to their travel. I've successfully done this a few times with a nice guy I met in Berlin. 

 

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Honestly, the people responding to @Jarrod_Uncut with "I'll NEVER make a deposit. I'd rather die than Venmo a provider $25 to hold my spot" are just tedious at this point. 

While a few clients on here have had some negative experiences, providers are taking on far more risk than we are. They risk violence, legal action, etc. We risk being out $50 if it falls through. 

Also, we all make deposits on services and even sign agreements with other services providers that allow them to charge us if we don't show up for an appointment. And if you're going to claim you've "never done that", you're full of shit. 

Lastly, given how much clients talk shit about providers on here, you really don't need to jump on every thread when a provider complains about us. 

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6 hours ago, Thomas_Belgium said:

How convenient he "forgot" the cash. Most people get cash from an ATM or bank, right? So, couldn't he get cash from an ATM or bank nearby?

That’s the thing: I told him, go downstairs there’s an ATM there. He claims he already took the money out, but left it on the bed at home, and he didn’t have anymore to take out.
 

I doubt his story added up. I think he came expecting to pull a fast one. Because he should have either come back in the morning or replied when I asked him for the cancellation fee payment.

10 hours ago, DWnyc said:

Re #1: ditto

Re #2: no that’s not what it means at all. It means I will pay you for services actually delivered, not those I have no indication of if you are able or willing to provide. And it also means I don’t want to leave a paper trail.

Re: #3: paying you a deposit does not guarantee you are making plans for me, or plans for me in the way that I want and am paying for. I have no confirmation of that until we meet.

Your concerns are legitimate and there may be a happy medium. But your positions are not absolute truths like you keep making them out to be. Or rather, your absolute truths are matched by those on the other side. I can empathize with you, I hope you can with me as well. 


#1 yes

#2 no

#3 no

Anyhow. I want to play a game. For each time someone argues against a deposit, I’m going to post an “anonymous” warning report from OTHER providers about a client who has actually contacted me. And include what happened when I asked for a deposit. If I run out of messages from guys who have multiple warnings, YOU WIN. (Hint, I have like a long list of them, so this game could be long 😆 

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5 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said:

Honestly, the people responding to @Jarrod_Uncut with "I'll NEVER make a deposit. I'd rather die than Venmo a provider $25 to hold my spot" are just tedious at this point. 

While a few clients on here have had some negative experiences, providers are taking on far more risk than we are. They risk violence, legal action, etc. We risk being out $50 if it falls through. 

Also, we all make deposits on services and even sign agreements with other services providers that allow them to charge us if we don't show up for an appointment. And if you're going to claim you've "never done that", you're full of shit. 

Lastly, given how much clients talk shit about providers on here, you really don't need to jump on every thread when a provider complains about us. 

Thankyou 💯 percent!

I’ve come to the point where just having to realize the ones who can’t part with a deposit, are operating on control and fear and it’s not somebody I want to deal with. Or they are just using us for attention and entertainment. Unfortunately it seems the vast majority of people who contact are operating in this mindset. This is really pushing me to limit my interactions with most and start charging a rate that’s going to get me thru the week. Whether that be $500 or $1,000 per appointment. I’m not making any profit charging $250-300 when 90 % of calls are bullshitters.

I’ve talked about this before, and now it’s time to start making it happen. I’m not just someone who’s in between jobs or needs extra money on the side. This is my LIFE (not yelling at you, just in general). I don’t have time to be playing childish games with dudes anymore. I’m over 1,500 miles from my home base, and dealing with a bunch of fucking idiots day in/day out. It has to stop. 

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39 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

 

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I seem to notice Jarrod, or should I say Gerard 😅, almost every time a client starts to get all sexual with you when you're trying to nail down the details they are just a game player and looking for sexting. I'm sure you have realized that by now though. Just an observation I just made.

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10 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said:

Honestly, the people responding to @Jarrod_Uncut with "I'll NEVER make a deposit. I'd rather die than Venmo a provider $25 to hold my spot" are just tedious at this point. 

While a few clients on here have had some negative experiences, providers are taking on far more risk than we are. They risk violence, legal action, etc. We risk being out $50 if it falls through. 

Also, we all make deposits on services and even sign agreements with other services providers that allow them to charge us if we don't show up for an appointment. And if you're going to claim you've "never done that", you're full of shit. 

Lastly, given how much clients talk shit about providers on here, you really don't need to jump on every thread when a provider complains about us. 

Come now, aren’t 90% of the discussions on here repetitions of prior ones?

Clients are also taking risks including either letting a stranger into their place or visiting someone else’s territory.

Many clients  - for a range of reasons - require anonymity and no paper trail for payments. That part of the hobby is not going to change any time soon. And that is why deposits for any other service are not comparable. 

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4 minutes ago, DWnyc said:

Many clients  - for a range of reasons - require anonymity and no paper trail for payments

It’s 2023. The range of reason’s people need to pay cash is they’re cheating. And I’m open to any relationship configuration, but I don’t fuck with cheaters. 

i can’t think of another valid reason for not being able to Venmo someone $50 with the note saying “Dinner.”

 

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3 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said:

It’s 2023. The range of reason’s people need to pay cash is they’re cheating. And I’m open to any relationship configuration, but I don’t fuck with cheaters. 

i can’t think of another valid reason for not being able to Venmo someone $50 with the note saying “Dinner.”

 

Well I’m sure there are some “cheaters” but what are we really saying - we’re worried leaving a paper trail exposes clients to providers chasing them for some reason afterward (that may expose “cheaters”). But also anyone who wants discretion for whatever reason - and there are plenty. For some that discretion is why they seek out providers in the first place. 

Besides when did this business become the moral police re individuals personal relationship status?

Yes it’s 2023 - a lot can be done with someone’s identity, financial app details etc.

And of course one of the biggest reasons for not paying a deposit is not knowing if the provider will actually show up or deliver. 

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8 hours ago, BuffaloKyle said:

I seem to notice Jarrod, or should I say Gerard 😅, almost every time a client starts to get all sexual with you when you're trying to nail down the details they are just a game player and looking for sexting. I'm sure you have realized that by now though. Just an observation I just made.

That’s a definite pattern I see. If a guy contacts me and quickly starts a kind of ‘sex chat’ or sends a cock pic…it’s a 99% certainty he will not book a session. I don’t take deposits because I don’t have big sunk costs for a session if they don’t turn up (unlike @Jarrod_Uncut) but it is of course a waste of my time. Luckily I can screen out the time wasters by spotting these signs (sex chat, cock/ass pics, late night requests, certain trigger words, guys who ask for discounts, ‘students’, fantasists and guys arranging ‘surprises’ for their wives 😂). I have a < 0.5% no show rate but only about 50% of enquiries turn into bookings. It’s sometimes tempting to take bookings from ‘high risk of no show clients’ but I mostly avoid that. I can see how @Jarrod_Uncut must be tempted to take these risks because he’s already traveled and spent money. The business model is a very challenging one. I certainly couldn’t cope with it. 

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I sympathize for y'all providers. I used to be a waiter in college and scammers would dine and dash, argue about what they ordered even though they ate the food, I once had a guy leave me ten cents for a tip, and worst of all the Karens that asked to speak to my manager. All of them were trying to save a buck by scamming me and the restaurant. 

All that being said, dealing with the unwashed masses is the cost of doing business. If a deposit makes you feel more comfortable accepting a reservation then huzzah for you. Keep living your truth.

I will not pay a deposit because I've been scammed too many times. I've only cancelled a reservation twice and in each case I sent a hundred bucks as an apology. I even gave a hundred to a guy who showed up high on god-knows-what drug (not weed) before I kicked his ass out. He couldn't even speak in complete sentences.

 Wishing you all the very best. 

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"That’s the thing: I told him, go downstairs there’s an ATM there. He claims he already took the money out, but left it on the bed at home, and he didn’t have anymore to take out."

JC Superstar, so one goes to an ATM, takes cash out, puts it in his wallet/pocket/whatever, goes home, goes to his bedroom, takes the money out his wallet/pocket/whatever, puts the money on the bed & VERY conveniently "forgets" it...

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I don’t think the issue is “can a cheap flaky client really not afford a $25 or $50 deposit?” Or — “we pay deposits for other professional services, why not for this”. Framing it that way removes a key issue in this conundrum because that is not the true cost to the client.

Firstly, when I’ve been asked for a deposit it’s never been that low an ask - it’s ranged between $100 (out of a $300 total donation) to the full amount. On one occasion (the only time I have paid) it was for the full amount so that the provider could pay for the hotel room where we were supposed to meet that he only told me at the last minute he hadn’t secured (and surprise surprise the money I sent via Venmo hadn’t come through in time, the room was no longer available, times were tough and he couldn’t give me a cash refund but he would make up the time which he never did). This was someone I’d seen before and he is highly rated with 100% 5 stars etc etc, so what could possibly go wrong?

Secondly if it is really a token deposit of $25 or $50 to show good faith it doesn’t solve the problem of an appointment not kept because a client won’t want to lose his money. If I’m prepared to pay $300 upwards for this experience, I can afford to lose $25 if my plans change and I want to cancel for whatever reason. And the amount is too low to compensate the provider’s time if the client bails at the last minute. So that deposit is much more than the money - it’s about the provider having some leverage over the client in a world where most prefer discretion, and that is of far greater risk and value to the client than the dollar amount.

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1 hour ago, Maximus69 said:

I think people are forgetting that the clients on this website are actually serious in hiring while in the "real world" off this website we get tons of flakes daily.

Similarly I would assume most providers on this website aspire to be high integrity etc while there is a real world out there where that might not be the case. 

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On 3/17/2023 at 3:19 PM, BuffaloKyle said:

I seem to notice Jarrod, or should I say Gerard 😅, almost every time a client starts to get all sexual with you when you're trying to nail down the details they are just a game player and looking for sexting. I'm sure you have realized that by now though. Just an observation I just made.


Well, welcome to Man Diego (and many other cities that seem to have a steady influx of men/providers). This is how most “clients” (using that loosely) approach for now. Similar to how guys on apps say hello by sending 10 pictures of their dick and ass from various angles…

I knew the above guy was full of it. But I just keep the conversation professional and automated: at the recommendation of other forum members: let someone handle my inquiries. And I am: it’s my handy pre-written iPhone templates. It’s free and nobody else has to be bothered. 

20 hours ago, DWnyc said:

Yes it’s 2023 - a lot can be done with someone’s identity, financial app details etc.

And of course one of the biggest reasons for not paying a deposit is not knowing if the provider will actually show up or deliver. 


You’re viewing it from a general standpoint that is not directly related to sending a specific provider a deposit to confirm. There’s a reason why there’s RFID protection wallets, it could happen anywhere. Please don’t rely anecdotes as a reason against it. 
 

And as mentioned, since you’re defending not paying deposit: I win this round by showing what could happen when one doesn’t 😉 

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16 hours ago, Pd1_jap said:

I sympathize for y'all providers. I used to be a waiter in college and scammers would dine and dash, argue about what they ordered even though they ate the food, I once had a guy leave me ten cents for a tip, and worst of all the Karens that asked to speak to my manager. All of them were trying to save a buck by scamming me and the restaurant. 

All that being said, dealing with the unwashed masses is the cost of doing business. If a deposit makes you feel more comfortable accepting a reservation then huzzah for you. Keep living your truth.

I will not pay a deposit because I've been scammed too many times. I've only cancelled a reservation twice and in each case I sent a hundred bucks as an apology. I even gave a hundred to a guy who showed up high on god-knows-what drug (not weed) before I kicked his ass out. He couldn't even speak in complete sentences.

 Wishing you all the very best. 

That’s one thing I can say good has come out of it all: not to be “that” customer. Not that I won’t speak up if I feel I was over charged or getting subpar treatment, but I’m not going to make a fuss unnecessarily.

Sorry that you been scammed and had someone high on drugs. Like I often say, for every 1 time a client has been scammed, I could probably name 10. And unlike you and as @Jamie21 I can’t afford to be scammed because my overheads and expenses are high. 

This client showing up with no money, left me out of my room cost for the day and the money for the session. And after an already challenging week of inquiries, that put me in a very compromising position for the rest of the weekend, and I have begun to see how hard it is in this area of California to get clients to follow thru AND host. So since the hotel prices are high and I don’t have extra funds to gamble on a room again, just to sit around and wait for nobody to show up…so I’m only doing Outcalls. 

And the other day that I had a room, a client was asking to meet but then says, “I was hoping you were hosting at the casino (where in the Sandhill he came up with this assumption idk). Then he’s all like, “I can’t travel, I’m here with some friends I’ll let you know if I can meet”

Meanwhile I’m trying to leave my fucking room so I can drive an hour to another town to get something accomplished by 6 p.m. That’s another reason I ask for deposit because when I’m about to go somewhere or do something, I need to know the person is worth me dropping or changing what I’m doing to entertain them. Otherwise I’m going to waste my whole day, week and LIFE waiting around for nothing. And I’ve heard stories of guys doing that: going to cities and waiting in the hotel day and night and getting nothing accomplished. 

When I’m out of town I have limited time at the hotel, and limited time to wait on them to make up their mind. In times I need to focus on other things and a client wants to text, I will send my deposit link and ask them to send within 10 minutes if they want to meet…otherwise I will not be available. 

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1 hour ago, DWnyc said:

Similarly I would assume most providers on this website aspire to be high integrity etc while there is a real world out there where that might not be the case. 

You have to be able to decipher to difference. I have had some straight up (as in this message) say, “but I’m not going to go to your site and send anything”.

You don’t walk into someone’s store and start saying what you’re not going to do. You’re bossing me around. Get out…Especially if it says it on the ad or profile. Like one guy said to me:

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If he was really serious, why would he go from messaging me on Adam where I have my number and sent my business card, to messaging me at the Thrift Store of hookup apps? (And anytime I find a client picking around in the bargain bin…I wonder if he’s serious or is he hoping to find it for free and just keeping me on standby). 
 

It’s all about respect. But sadly, I think too many people are bent on trying to win versus respecting another’s way of doing things. They allow fear and control to rule their approach, versus trying to be amicable and trust the person at hand. 

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On 3/17/2023 at 4:23 AM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

People want to keep giving these sob stories of being ripped off or not feeling comfortable.
 

I also think people may just be getting generally shittier in the country too because, most every hotel I go to also wants deposits as well. Even your run of the mill budget chains. $100 ON TOP of what I’m already paying.

Kind of like the sob story you're giving off now?

While I agree 1000% what was done to you was completely wrong and I'm glad you stood up to the guy and kicked him out, clients get scammed often too. Maybe that sentence was in reference to guys outside of this forum, but like a posted said in this thread, clients on this site are ready to-go and book with a provider. So when guys on here say they don't pay deposits it's for a reason. 

I definitely agree that in general people are more shittier and have no empathy. It really intensified IMO when covid lockdowns hit, and now that it's over it's the wild wild west in society.

As for hotels even pre-pandemic I've always had to pay deposits from high-end hotels to regular chains like Holiday Inns etc. 

On 3/17/2023 at 4:51 AM, DWnyc said:

Doesn’t change anything my friend.

I will never pay deposits to a provider. And if that doesn’t work for him, and that’s totally his prerogative, that’s fine because he won’t be getting my business and we can go our separate ways.

As always, good luck to you 😊

Pretty much. 

And thats always been my rule until late last year. I had been in talks with a straight aspiring bodybuilder. When a night was locked in and ready-to-go he asked for a $60 deposit. I NEVER do deposits but considering the time, the anticipation of finally getting with this guy, and my hormones going off I didn't think things through properly. I was hesitant but still moved forward and sent him a $40 deposit. He accepted it, blocked me on all platforms and "disappeared" (I had been following some of his gym buddies on socials so I saw he was still around). 

Lesson learned and I'm never doing deposits again. 

I'm sorry to read what you've been through @Jarrod_Uncut but when it comes to deposits and being scammed I feel both providers and clients deal with risks when it comes to that subject. But I'll assume providers definitely deal with the risks more. I am glad you kicked the POS out. I'm not sure what he was expecting to happen when he arrived.   

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3 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

 

And as mentioned, since you’re defending not paying deposit: I win this round by showing what could happen when one doesn’t 😉 

What round are you winning here exactly?

I don’t think those on here who have a policy of not paying deposits have been swayed by your arguments (together with your frequent references to - as you put it “what could happen when one doesn’t” with naughty smiley, which reinforces some fears for many of u)s. 

And that’s fine.

Some here seem to be ok with deposits - and you can stick with clients like those. 

The world has not changed in the last 48 hours 😊

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6 hours ago, DMICS said:

Kind of like the sob story you're giving off now?

While I agree 1000% what was done to you was completely wrong and I'm glad you stood up to the guy and kicked him out, clients get scammed often too. Maybe that sentence was in reference to guys outside of this forum, but like a posted said in this thread, clients on this site are ready to-go and book with a provider. So when guys on here say they don't pay deposits it's for a reason. 

I definitely agree that in general people are more shittier and have no empathy. It really intensified IMO when covid lockdowns hit, and now that it's over it's the wild wild west in society.

As for hotels even pre-pandemic I've always had to pay deposits from high-end hotels to regular chains like Holiday Inns etc. 

Pretty much. 

And thats always been my rule until late last year. I had been in talks with a straight aspiring bodybuilder. When a night was locked in and ready-to-go he asked for a $60 deposit. I NEVER do deposits but considering the time, the anticipation of finally getting with this guy, and my hormones going off I didn't think things through properly. I was hesitant but still moved forward and sent him a $40 deposit. He accepted it, blocked me on all platforms and "disappeared" (I had been following some of his gym buddies on socials so I saw he was still around). 

Lesson learned and I'm never doing deposits again. 

I'm sorry to read what you've been through @Jarrod_Uncut but when it comes to deposits and being scammed I feel both providers and clients deal with risks when it comes to that subject. But I'll assume providers definitely deal with the risks more. I am glad you kicked the POS out. I'm not sure what he was expecting to happen when he arrived.   

Mine isn’t a sob story. It’s just a reinforcement bulletin for myself and to others about what usually happens when allowing people to get around deposits. Clients here have lots of stories, but no messages screenshot. I’m actually SHOWING what happens. 
 

Maybe he blocked you because you only sent $40 instead of $60? I mean…I wouldn’t do that personally but perhaps it just set the wrong tone. 
 

Now: going back to hotels. I disagree. I actually just sent a hotel an email because they wanted to charge me a $100 deposit to check in, when on their site it says nothing to the effect. So I walked away and they tried to charge me for a night. I explained that their site only showed deposit for pets or cash paying customers. I think it’s discrimination. Here’s a screenshot of the hotel details highlighting what their deposit was asked for. So why the fuck they want me to pay $100 deposit? I have no pets and was paying with card. It’s bullshit. But that’s also why I charge higher deposits to host. When I have to book a room when traveling, I have to ensure my hotel account has enough to cover room and possible deposit before I even get paid.
 
And lately seems most clients can’t host and few if any are at hotels anymore. It was much easier not to ask for deposits when more clients hosted the booking! 

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4 hours ago, DWnyc said:

What round are you winning here exactly?

I don’t think those on here who have a policy of not paying deposits have been swayed by your arguments (together with your frequent references to - as you put it “what could happen when one doesn’t” with naughty smiley, which reinforces some fears for many of u)s. 

And that’s fine.

Some here seem to be ok with deposits - and you can stick with clients like those. 

The world has not changed in the last 48 hours 😊


Like I said: the game is, anytime someone talks smack about a deposit…I’ll show an example of someone who reached out to me, and didn’t respond to my request to send a deposit: and then had a long list of warnings by other providers. It’s like, put 2 and 2 together. Am I more worried about offending guys with a deposit, or do I need to make sure I don’t end up broke because I’m spending my own $$$ upfront for guys who may have no intent of following thru? 
 

I’m not here to change the world. I’m just sharing my experience and observations. And FYI: just today I asked for $25 deposit, and guy sent my full donation. I didn’t ask for it, and since it was late at night: If I was a shitty person, I could have just blocked him, went to bed and put my phone on silent 😴 

But with integrity, I got dressed and drove 25 minutes across the city at midnight. It was fun, but…it wasn’t quite the type of session I normally engage in, But I performed duty as to not ruin the world’s perception of sending a sex worker funds to confirm I’m legit.

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