Monkeypox a new worry for gay and bi men

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6 hours ago, LookingAround said:

Does anybody know if the second shot is the same dose as the first shot?

6 hours ago, nycman said:

It is. 

https://www.fda.gov/media/131078/download

Which leads to the question (that maybe some of my Canadian friends can answer):  can I just walk into the Montreal clinic when I return in August and get a second shot (i.e. will they allow that)?

I initially planned to get only 1 shot, based on some reports that 1 shot plus childhood smallpox vaccination provided ample immunity.  Now I'm not so sure about that.

[FewBricksShy]

9 hours ago, m_writer said:

...let me get this straight.

Your friend knows he's positive for monkeypox and he's going through painful side effects and symptoms, and rather ensure he doesn't subject anyone else to to the disease....

He's going out and hooking up? 😲

Is there a reason why he's not caring if he infects someone else?

Well, abstinence isn’t an effective preventive measure. 

[+ glutes]

9 minutes ago, FewBricksShy said:

Well, abstinence isn’t an effective preventive measure. 

Tell us why not.

[+ Pensant]

8 hours ago, LookingAround said:

I can’t speak for him and I’m not the monkeypox police but yes he has pox and is on Grindr. Let that be a warning to all. I’m certain he’s not the only one either. Why I mentioned it. 

The recklessness of some is astounding. A willful spreader.

[FewBricksShy]

3 hours ago, glutes said:

Tell us why not.

I don’t know why not. I believe it to be, but I’m only parroting the expert opinion shared by @Luv2play here: 

Apparently five other members of the forum also agree it’s not an effective strategy either. Maybe one of them can clear it up for you.

Edited July 20, 2022 by FewBricksShy

[mike carey]

34 minutes ago, FewBricksShy said:

Apparently five other members of the forum also agree it’s not an effective strategy either. Maybe one of them can clear it up for you.

It's pretty clear. Abstinence is not the answer to the overall public health threat. It is an answer to protecting yourself from contracting the disease through intimate contact, but that is not the same thing. Public health threats are mitigated by population level precautions not just individual precautions, although they are part of it. So individual abstinence plays a part but other measures, individual and collective are also necessary. Relying on every single MSM to abstain to stop the disease is fanciful.

[FewBricksShy]

@mike carey– it worked for HIV/AIDS. The very fact it’s a suggested precaution is because it’s effective. Relying on every MSM to get vaccinated makes a vaccine ineffective as well by your logic. Because not all MSM will get vaccinated. 

[mike carey]

2 minutes ago, FewBricksShy said:

@mike carey– it worked for HIV/AIDS. The very fact it’s a suggested precaution is because it’s effective. Relying on every MSM to get vaccinated makes a vaccine ineffective as well by your logic. Because not all MSM will get vaccinated. 

With HIV/AIDS a lot of people protected themselves by abstinence AND safer sex but the pandemic didn't slow all that much until there were effective treatments. There was still a public health issue and is to this day.

At a POPULATION level (which is where public health measures are aimed) monkey pox vaccination works by reducing the pool of people who are susceptible to the virus (or with Covid by reducing case severity in individuals) so it doesn't matter if every MSM is vaccinated, the pool is still reduced. So your assertion that vaccination is ineffective does not stand up. But it's not everything.

My whole point is that abstinence is not THE answer. That doesn't mean it's not a valid INDIVIDUAL precaution.

[Luv2play]

16 hours ago, Quincy_7 said:

 

99% of reported cases are in gay and bi men. 

This doctor has a pretty succinct breakdown of where we are:

 

 

I watched the entire presentation and the only thing I would fault is that the doctor did not refer to the tremendous response from the gay community seeking to get vaccinations. And how certain jurisdictions have set up clinics quickly and are doing thousands of vaccinations per week. 

This is different from Covid, which he talked about at the beginning in that it was not a novel virus and there was a vaccine available for smallpox held in stockpiles which he referred to in the States, Russia and China. 

It would be interesting to know what if anything those other countries are doing. I suspect nothing since China officially denies having gays and Russia is fairly isolated these days.

[SirBillybob]

6 hours ago, newatthis said:

 

Which leads to the question (that maybe some of my Canadian friends can answer):  can I just walk into the Montreal clinic when I return in August and get a second shot (i.e. will they allow that)?

I initially planned to get only 1 shot, based on some reports that 1 shot plus childhood smallpox vaccination provided ample immunity.  Now I'm not so sure about that.

Here’s the thing:

I was among the first getting Imvamune in Montreal, June 9th, and was instructed to return in 4 weeks for 2nd dose but I had decided there’s no rush due to childhood inoculation history. 

There has been nothing in the news about 2nd dose uptake here. Also, the online booking portal only references scheduling a dose, but has not stratified bookings according to 1st versus 2nd. This contrasts with COVID vaxx bookings on the same portal, where particular doses in sequence are delineated. That said, I think the lack of clarification is an oversight. My assumption is that one can pursue the 2nd dose if desired.

I will swing by the walk-in location this Friday 22nd, due to another errand in the neighbourhood, and inquire. 
——

It appears that British Columbia has explicitly decided on the single Imvamune dose for those with Smallpox vaccination history. 

Edited July 20, 2022 by SirBillybob

[FewBricksShy]

If COVID is any indication how a POPULATION will respond to pandemic precautions, and especially vaccines, it’s also not going to stop it. The POPULATION won’t respond INDIVIDUALLY enough for it to be a panacea. 

[FewBricksShy]

@Luv2play, that’s naive. We have in this very thread men saying they know someone  unvaxed going out or they themselves are unvaxed are still going out to hook up.

[Luv2play]

Individual behavior is still important,  which I wouldn't deny. I have not stopped having sex with escorts but now will only engage them if they have had the vaccine. Here in Canada's largest cities there has been ample opportunity for over a month to get the vaccine. So no excuse.

Ive already turned down 3 escorts in the last week who are not vaccinated. All in Toronto,  which has a large number of escorts and gays. If enough clients take the same approach they might detect a falling off in their business.

[Luv2play]

6 minutes ago, FewBricksShy said:

@Luv2play, that’s naive. We have in this very thread men saying they know someone  unvaxed going out or they themselves are unvaxed are still going out to hook up.

What did I say that was naive? I may be many things but I'm no babe in the woods.

[FewBricksShy]

11 minutes ago, Luv2play said:

What did I say that was naive? I may be many things but I'm no babe in the woods.

It’s naive to think the gay population is having a “tremendous response.”

[Lazarus]

Question and it I may have been answered here somewhere already: how long before it is somewhat “safe”  to have sex with someone after having a single dose of the Monkeypox vaccine? I’m referring to oral sex only….no kissing or fucking. And no bedsheets either! 

[NJF]

On 7/19/2022 at 6:04 AM, LookingAround said:

Absolutely not. The vaccine doesn’t last that long. 

However, the CDC experts stated that the smallpox vaccine was at least 85% effective against monkeypox 

[LookingAround]

5 minutes ago, NJF said:

However, the CDC experts stated that the smallpox vaccine was at least 85% effective against monkeypox 

Administered 50 years ago? 🤡

[Monarchy79]

Hi All, 

 

I live in Washington DC, signed up for the vaccine a week ago and have heard nothing.

 

if any of you on here are connected and can help me with a resource to get an appointment, please shoot me a private message.

 

thanks!!! 

[Monarchy79]

On 7/19/2022 at 7:35 AM, LookingAround said:

You’re in a scary state of denial.

So was I at first. I thought “the numbers in nyc are so low it’s like the lottery—what are the chances?”

Then a sex buddy of mine texted me a few days later that he was very sick and he was pretty sure it was monkeypox and he was worried if I was sick. I assured him I felt fine but we had had sex only a week or so before. I called some colleagues and my friend went to a clinic and the diagnosis was confirmed. He was in a lot of pain. Not a pretty picture. Rash on his back, arms and neck. The numbers are low because they can’t do many tests per day so they just tell presumptive cases to go home and isolate. 
I’ve seen my friend on Grindr since, hooking up. So much for isolating. 
Since then two other friends have come down with it. 
It scared me so much I went to Canada to get the vaccine. NYC has been a disaster and after the very near miss I had with the pox I wasn’t going to wait for NYC to sort it out. 
Don’t be in denial please. 

Yes, I’m judging your friend. Knowing  he has  an infection and carelessly fucking other people is reckless, disrespectful,  and socially irresponsible.

Although he obviously has no sense of shame, he should be ashamed of himself. 
 

 

[Monarchy79]

5 hours ago, FewBricksShy said:

I don’t know why not. I believe it to be, but I’m only parroting the expert opinion shared by @Luv2play here: 

Apparently five other members of the forum also agree it’s not an effective strategy either. Maybe one of them can clear it up for you.

There needs to be a discussion as to WHY it’s not an effective strategy. 
I have the answer:

human beings have minimal control and major issues with discipline when it comes to sexual responsibility. They value carnal urges order common sense and social responsibility. 
 

and I’m not just slamming gays. I’m slamming straights too!!!

 

THERE’s an entire aisle at every drug store

dedicated to contraception, and they can’t prevent millions of unwanted pregnancies. 

[SirBillybob]

6 hours ago, SirBillybob said:

Here’s the thing:

I was among the first getting Imvamune in Montreal, June 9th, and was instructed to return in 4 weeks for 2nd dose but I had decided there’s no rush due to childhood inoculation history. 

There has been nothing in the news about 2nd dose uptake here. Also, the online booking portal only references scheduling a dose, but has not stratified bookings according to 1st versus 2nd. This contrasts with COVID vaxx bookings on the same portal, where particular doses in sequence are delineated. That said, I think the lack of clarification is an oversight. My assumption is that one can pursue the 2nd dose if desired.

I will swing by the walk-in location this Friday 22nd, due to another errand in the neighbourhood, and inquire. 
——

It appears that British Columbia has explicitly decided on the single Imvamune dose for those with Smallpox vaccination history. 

On July 11th, Toronto Public Health answered a question on Twitter regarding a 2nd Imvamune dose. It responded that only the single dose was planned. 

As Indicated, I will report back in two days regarding Montreal’s playbook. Other than dosing, I can say that a local Infectious Diseases physician … coincidentally he was the first to prescribe HIV PrEP to me a few years ago … is unhappy about the level of Imvamune uptake, especially as we are closing in on Montreal Pride and the International AIDS Conference hosted here. He is consulting on cases that he believes could have been prevented since vaccination has been accessible for at least 6 weeks. 

Additionally, 4 Simian Pox hospitalizations are reported here; two with obstructed airways, one with eye involvement, and one with myocarditis. I don’t think they are older fellows. 

Edited July 21, 2022 by SirBillybob

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18 hours ago, SirBillybob said:

I will swing by the walk-in location this Friday 22nd, due to another errand in the neighbourhood, and inquire. 

Thanks...I look forward to reading what you discover.  In particular,  can I just walk in and get a second dose the way I got the first?  I would bring my certificate from the 1st dose, of course. 

My concerns cut both ways...I want to be sure I'm protected, but I don't want to get a second dose of a vaccine that's in short supply if it's not necessary.

[Brad1212]

For those of us over a certain age who were vaccinated as children for smallpox, I have heard that it may offer some protection against monkey pox as the vaccine stays in the body for most of the lifetime?  Has anyone heard that or is it just wishful thinking?  T

[NJF]

1 hour ago, Brad1212 said:

For those of us over a certain age who were vaccinated as children for smallpox, I have heard that it may offer some protection against monkey pox as the vaccine stays in the body for most of the lifetime?  Has anyone heard that or is it just wishful thinking?  T

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4064-smallpox-immunity-may-last-a-lifetime/