Monkeypox a new worry for gay and bi men

[LookingAround]

1 minute ago, NJF said:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4064-smallpox-immunity-may-last-a-lifetime/

That’s for smallpox. Doesn’t relate to monkeypox immunity necessarily in terms of full protection needed. Go get vaccinated for monkeypox and don’t trust that a shot 60 years ago will protect you. 

Edited July 21, 2022 by LookingAround

[BtmBearDad]

Any gents in NYC having any success getting the vaccine? I’ve been trying on their site (https://vax4nyc.nyc.gov/patient/s/vaccination-schedule?page=Monkeypox) for at least two weeks now with no joy. Curious if any others in NYC are experiencing the same frustration, or how you managed to get an appointment? 

Thanks!
BBD

[Luv2play]

Its disappointing to hear the take-up is not as good as it could be. I suppose some SMS are not as motivated for whatever reason. Maybe they are thinking of abstaining for the tome being like in the early days of Covid.

The difference here is that a vaccine is available. I just cancelled a date with an escort for this weekend becuz while he initially stated he was "fully vaccinated for everything" when I subsequently asked him to come to my hotel with his certificate and I would have mine, he declined, saying " I didn't trust him". Lol

I told him trust had to be earned, not given freely.

[Luv2play]

2 minutes ago, BtmBearDad said:

Any gents in NYC having any success getting the vaccine? I’ve been trying on their site (https://vax4nyc.nyc.gov/patient/s/vaccination-schedule?page=Monkeypox) for at least two weeks now with no joy. Curious if any others in NYC are experiencing the same frustration, or how you managed to get an appointment? 

Thanks!
BBD

Kevin Slater told us how he got the Vax in NYC. See up thread.

[LookingAround]

1 minute ago, BtmBearDad said:

Any gents in NYC having any success getting the vaccine? I’ve been trying on their site (https://vax4nyc.nyc.gov/patient/s/vaccination-schedule?page=Monkeypox) for at least two weeks now with no joy. Curious if any others in NYC are experiencing the same frustration, or how you managed to get an appointment? 

Thanks!
BBD

They’re saying the DOH is getting a lot of vaccines in next week. If you follow the NYC DOH on Twitter and do an alert for their tweets you’ll find out when they will be available. That’s probably the best way to go about it. 

[SirBillybob]

3 hours ago, Brad1212 said:

For those of us over a certain age who were vaccinated as children for smallpox, I have heard that it may offer some protection against monkey pox as the vaccine stays in the body for most of the lifetime?  Has anyone heard that or is it just wishful thinking?  T

There is very little research on Smallpox vaccination and it’s potential for protection against Monkeypox disease presentation. This should be tracked currently. I hope it is and I hope it is well organized. We need to know the relation between symptomatic Monkeypox and Smallpox vaccination history in order to estimate the latter’s effectiveness in the current context. Paradoxically, the window for determining this reduces with MVA-BN uptake, that uptake being something we want to increase as much as possible. Therefore, it would be very remiss if case documentation in the past months has neglected this key factor.

Beyond lab-based immunogenicity research, what we do have is an estimate of the association between Smallpox vaccination history and susceptibility to Monkeypox disease presentation. However, it is based on very low Monkeypox incidence in Zaire in the early 1980s. Merely 91 cases over about 5 years, annual incidence of about 1 person in 16,000. Isolated cases, mostly zoonotic (jump from animal to human), little secondary human transmission. The attack rate is considerably higher among those without Smallpox vaccination. The research group’s article abstracts suggest 85% protection but the absolute effectiveness extrapolating from a secondary article of that group suggests about 97% protection, or 40-fold susceptibility to Monkeypox for those without Smallpox vaccination. I cannot access the full texts to try to understand the contradictions. However, the incidence rate is so low that the difference between 85% and 97% may be moot given the extremely broad confidence intervals expected to surround those absolute metrics, owing to the rarity of Monkeypox in that population at that time. About 11% of the cases had a history of Smallpox vaccination but I cannot determine the ratio of vaccination for the population denominators. What was most purposeful for this dated research was to assess the need for reducing Smallpox vaccination population uptake shortfall in Zaire given Smallpox virtual eradication yet the rare  occurrence of Monkeypox and it’s 10% mortality in that population at the time.

The duration between original Smallpox vaccination and Monkeypox incidence in that population years ago may also be generally much shorter than for the elders among us with Smallpox vaccination several decades ago, leaving questions about antibody and cell-mediated immunity durability over time, for what is now an orthopox relative of Smallpox. I would assume breakthrough infection would be possible, of unknown severity; hence, the importance of generating revised immunity utilizing MVA-BN. 

Personally, I would not consider a history of Smallpox vaccination as meaningfully substituting in any way for the opportunity of a MVA-BN dose. I would avoid known risks until able to access a dose followed by a few weeks of immunogenic development.

Edited July 21, 2022 by SirBillybob

[SirBillybob]

2 hours ago, Luv2play said:

Re: Escort game-playing … His pit bull must have eaten the certificate.

Edited July 21, 2022 by SirBillybob

[Brad1212]

2 hours ago, LookingAround said:

That’s for smallpox. Doesn’t relate to monkeypox immunity necessarily in terms of full protection needed. Go get vaccinated for monkeypox and don’t trust that a shot 60 years ago will protect you. 

Would love to get it but it is not yet available sadly.  

[NJF]

3 hours ago, LookingAround said:

That’s for smallpox. Doesn’t relate to monkeypox immunity necessarily in terms of full protection needed. Go get vaccinated for monkeypox and don’t trust that a shot 60 years ago will protect you. 

The current vaccine is originally designed for smallpox. It is just a safer version of the old cowpox vaccine. We are probably running out of time to immunize enough people to stop the spread because there is not enough dosage on hand and it is also hard to ramp up the production. 
Another thing is that the current vaccine is non-replicating so it will be harder to trigger enough immunity with a single dose. One is not fully immunized until receiving the second dose.

[LookingAround]

Just now, NJF said:

The current vaccine is originally designed for smallpox. It is just a safer version of the old cowpox vaccine. We are probably running out of time to immunize enough people to stop the spread because there is not enough dosage on hand and it is also hard to ramp up the production. 
Another thing is that the current vaccine is non-replicating so it will be harder to trigger enough immunity with a single dose. One is not fully immunized until receiving the second dose.

It has monkeypox added. Not only for smallpox. 

[NJF]

5 minutes ago, LookingAround said:

It has monkeypox added. Not only for smallpox. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modified_vaccinia_Ankara

[Kevin Slater]

NYC Alert:

More monkeypox vaccine appointments go live at 6 p.m. tomorrow, July 22

vax4nyc.nyc.gov/monkeypox

I scored my appointment by using an iPhone, two iPads and two browsers, btw.  Refreshed each til one hit.  They'll ask a ton of demographic questions (do you identify as hispanic/latino, etc.) before snagging your spot, so be ready to blast past those. Last time slots filled in like five minutes, so maybe don't be too picky re. location or time slot.

Kevin Slater

[Luv2play]

1 hour ago, Kevin Slater said:

NYC Alert:

More monkeypox vaccine appointments go live at 6 p.m. tomorrow, July 22

vax4nyc.nyc.gov/monkeypox

I scored my appointment by using an iPhone, two iPads and two browsers, btw.  Refreshed each til one hit.  They'll ask a ton of demographic questions (do you identify as hispanic/latino, etc.) before snagging your spot, so be ready to blast past those. Last time slots filled in like five minutes, so maybe don't be too picky re. location or time slot.

Kevin Slater

Sounds like running a marathon just to get signed up. Still, worth the effort if you want some sort of sex life without the anxiety of catching a horrible disease.

[+ glutes]

For those who have been vaccinated re. Monkeypox, is any documentation given to you?

[Kevin Slater]

Just now, glutes said:

For those who have been vaccinated re. Monkeypox, is any documentation given to you?

I got some form, like with blanks that the nurse fills in by hand.  Not sure I kept it.

Kevin Slater

[+ glutes]

Scientists have warned of unusual symptoms in US patients that were not previously associated with the virus.

Some patients reported pain in or around the anus and rectum, rectal bleeding, proctitis (painful inflammation of the rectum lining), or the feeling of needing a bowel movement even though the bowels are empty.

https://www.the-sun.com/health/5832408/california-man-covid-monkeypox-symptoms/

[Luv2play]

7 hours ago, glutes said:

For those who have been vaccinated re. Monkeypox, is any documentation given to you?

Yes. You get a certificate with your name, the dose and type of vaccine you got, the date, your e-mail and I think your mother's maiden name but I may be wrong about the last item. I know they wrote it down for their own data bank.

This was in Montreal. Other jurisdictions may do it differently.

I kept mine to go with the one from 1966. To show I'm fully vaxed. Lol.

[cany10011]

9 hours ago, glutes said:

For those who have been vaccinated re. Monkeypox, is any documentation given to you?

Name, date, lot number of vaccine/expiration, injection site, vaccinator's name and signature.

They also have a spot for the 2nd dose info. 

[+ glutes]

On 7/20/2022 at 5:26 AM, FewBricksShy said:

Well, abstinence isn’t an effective preventive measure. 

95% Of Monkeypox Cases Transmitted Through Sexual Activity: Study

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/95-of-monkeypox-cases-transmitted-through-sexual-activity-study-3182159

[SirBillybob]

2nd Imvamune dose in Quebec province is not offered at this time. Even though some recipients of the 1st dose have reached or exceeded 28 days. 

[FewBricksShy]

@glutes, take it up with the apologists in the forum. I was being snarky. Abstinence is effective. 

[+ FrankR]

17 hours ago, Kevin Slater said:

NYC Alert:

More monkeypox vaccine appointments go live at 6 p.m. tomorrow, July 22

vax4nyc.nyc.gov/monkeypox

I scored my appointment by using an iPhone, two iPads and two browsers, btw.  Refreshed each til one hit.  They'll ask a ton of demographic questions (do you identify as hispanic/latino, etc.) before snagging your spot, so be ready to blast past those. Last time slots filled in like five minutes, so maybe don't be too picky re. location or time slot.

Kevin Slater

17,000 Appointments will be up for grabs at 6pm, according to their press release on twitter. 

[+ Bryan Dube]

For those in the SF bay area. I just got back from SF general. Was able to get a drop-in spot. Showed up at 6:15am this morning. Was #76 in line. Filled out a form. Shuffled through the line. Got the shot. And then left. No waiting period. No documentation or form was given to me. And no second appointments being scheduled.

[56harrisond]

For anyone in Buffalo or Western New York, clinic on July 27 and 28, 2022. Sign up: https://apps2.health.ny.gov/doh2/applinks/cdmspr/2/counties?OpID=E443D239CC4203FCE0530A6C7C166040

[+ sniper]

On 7/21/2022 at 11:19 AM, Luv2play said:

Its disappointing to hear the take-up is not as good as it could be. I suppose some SMS are not as motivated for whatever reason. Maybe they are thinking of abstaining for the tome being like in the early days of Covid.

The difference here is that a vaccine is available. I just cancelled a date with an escort for this weekend becuz while he initially stated he was "fully vaccinated for everything" when I subsequently asked him to come to my hotel with his certificate and I would have mine, he declined, saying " I didn't trust him". Lol

I told him trust had to be earned, not given freely.

Every appointment slot is getting filled and all the shots available are  being given. It would seem takeup is exactly as good as it can possibly be given  supply constraints. 

Edited July 22, 2022 by sniper