Jamie21

It seems this problem is more prevalent in the US. My experience is in London and I don’t see the price differential based on race here, but possibly that’s because I don’t overtly look for it. Price varies more on the age of the provider although even that doesn’t seem to have a strong correlation. I work with younger guys cheaper than me and an older guy who is more expensive. I think all sorts of factors influence price, including how much business the provider wants. You can use price to manage your demand and the sensible providers will do exactly that. Want to be working every day with multiple clients? Reduce the price. Want to see 2 a week? Raise it. I’m always surprised by clients who ask “are you ok with seeing me?”…and they send a pic. I’ve been asked do I see Asians?, and by a black woman would I see her? The answer is it doesn’t matter what your race is, unless you’re French of course (joke!!…the English love the French 😉). I don’t see patterns of behaviour with different race clients either. Maybe they’re there but I haven’t noticed any. There’s some nationality traits that exist…Americans are generally very polite (I love being called sir). Middle Eastern clients are usually inhibited (most of the time except just before climax!) and they won’t engage in much talk or make eye contact. I think this is because of religious guilt 🙁. I think making assumptions about people based on race is a way of saving time “x is black therefore he will be like this, so I won’t bother to hire him / seek him as a client”. It’s kind of normal to do that because you simply can’t get to know the real person in every interaction with people on a daily basis, so you lump them into broad categories based on what they look like. That’s when problems start. However, I’d argue that doing sex work is exactly your role to get to know the real person (at least to get to know what drives them sexually- which is the most basic of human behaviours) beyond the surface of what they look like. So if you’re a sex worker who takes the work seriously why would you not want to look beyond the superficial and see the real person underneath? If you’re doing the work properly that’s exactly what you need to do to be successful. This client here isn’t ‘black’ he’s John and your job is to find out what drives John’s sexual desire and meet it as best you can. If you do that John will come back. Guaranteed.

I agree to not rely on one income source. It’s also essential for your mental wellbeing to find some way to follow your passion even if it’s not (yet) your main income. I have four jobs, or sources of income. Each of them is something I’m interested in or passionate about. It can be challenging managing the demands between them but it’s what I chose and it’s on my terms.

Occasionally I’ll be asked by a client if I’ll accompany them to a sauna (bathhouse) but I usually decline because I prefer not to see clients there for that reason. People just aren’t respectful if you want to be in a private room alone. I don’t mind if they want to watch, in fact that’s usually the reason a client wants to do a sauna visit, so that they can be watched with me, but it usually ends up with someone watching and then thinking they can become involved. Then they get upset when told they can only watch. I had one guy watching me with a client one time who tried 3 times to join in with us. We were in a private room and it had a viewing window but the door didn’t lock. The guy was watching us through the window and he decided he wanted to join in. After he’d come in and been told ‘no’ the third time my client told him that he’d booked me for the session and it was pointless trying to join in because I was only going to play with the client. All he could do was watch us. The guy got really angry and then threatened to tell the management that I was charging and that we would both be chucked out. Luckily, either he didn’t tell or they just didn’t believe him because nothing happened.

Yep, I count my regular clients as those who’ve come back at least twice and their first visit was over a year ago. Also we can discuss things happening in their life… as in “how’s the wife?” 😂

Those are probably from clients he likes. Or they’re fake.

Those are my races. If you don’t like them, I have others. (With acknowledgement to Groucho Marx)

He’s monetising his sex life, I expect he is new to this and he won’t be around long. Your pics should not be required, and he should provide you with his pics.

I tell clients they can touch me as much or as little as they like. It’s their massage, if they like to touch me that’s fine. Some enjoy the touch, some explore, some just don’t touch atall and some want to suck me. It’s all fine by me. It’s very difficult for parts of me not to touch my client at times during the massage. If I’m naked, which most clients prefer (at least for part of the massage) then if standing at the side then my cock is bound to brush my client’s hand. As for the line between massage and escorting it’s not really a concern for me but of course I work in a country where the latter is legal (within certain circumstances) so it’s just a question of whether I’m fine to be doing escort work, which I am! I think it’s a fabulous way to work. If I worked somewhere where escorting or sex work was against the law then I’d be careful to stay the right side of the line.

I wouldn’t make fun of them, it’s annoying but people are allowed to ask for a discount. I think it saves me time in finding out that they’re not suitable for me. I just say ‘no’ and I make sure they don’t book. It’s like this; my rate is clear, it’s (say £250)…that’s what I value my time/effort/service as. And because the product is basically me, that’s what I’m valuing me as. Now….some client comes along, has a look at my product, and decides to offer say £200. He clearly knows my rate is £250 but to get a bit off to make him feel special or clever or that he’s smarter than me he tries for £50 off. Obviously he can afford £250 or he wouldn’t be shopping here but hey, he’s always looking for a deal so why not see if this guy will do one for him? I read his offer and think ‘ah ok so he values me at 20% less than I value me…and he’s looking to have a great experience? I’ll put him in the same category as the ‘hey are you free now?’, ‘hi here’s a pic of my cock / ass’ and ‘do you do half hour sessions?’ punters and simply say ‘no sorry’ and save myself the trouble of seeing this client.

If my client cums ‘early’ then I consider it my role to help him cum again! When I was learning massage I did a swap session with an older guy who was happy to pass on all he’d learned. The session started about 6pm and we were together until after midnight. We exchanged massages and shared ideas and techniques, each of us reaching climax multiple times. I’d say there’s no reason why someone should want to leave after climax unless they’re in a hurry or they simply aren’t into their provider or they have some guilt about the session. I see that happen sometimes with clients, they cum and then they feel a sense of shame, and want to leave, which is really unfortunate and it makes me sad for them.

Follow your passion, it’s what you’re good at. You’ll find a way to monetise it. When I employ people I look for those with a passion for the work. Obviously they want the job because it pays but their primary reason for doing it must be their love of it. It’s easy to tell when someone has that. Those people are successful in it, they see opportunities others don’t, they stand out, they make money. When you look back on your life you want to say ‘no regrets’. If you don’t follow your passion can you truly say that?

This has been debated at length previously (I can’t find the other discussions though!). Hence my tongue in cheek earlier post about the RUB&TUG group. I think the best thing to do is ask your masseur what they include in the massage. I describe myself as a sensual masseur but judging by some of the comments on here I’m an escort. I tend to have a wide definition of what is included in my massage. The crucial thing though is that my service is centred around my client receiving a proper massage. Lots of other escort type activities happen but there’s always a massage. I’m not bothered about being described as an escort but I think for some clients it’s preferable for them to be visiting a masseur rather than an escort.

The global organisation that regulates the erotic / sensual massage industry: The Regulatory Union of Bodyworking has a sub committee (The Terms Unifying Group) that is set up to handle issues like this. At the last meeting of the RUB&TUG group (as it is known for short) the members couldn’t reach agreement on what the difference was between a sensual massage and an erotic massage. The minutes show that the meeting ended unhappily although it was agreed that in that situation the meeting could not have been classified as sensual or erotic.

Just ask and open your wallet. If you’re concerned that he might say ‘no’ and that might influence the relationship…don’t be. It’s very unlikely that he views the relationship in the same way you do (despite how he may behave in the session- that’s just because he’s good at his job).

Let us know how it goes! I did go up into the rocky cliff top area above Elia beach for some cruising. It’s good to wander round naked and see who’s up for fun.

I was once contacted by a client on a gay naked beach in Mykonos… I’d been walking along the waterline with my friend looking for a couple of beds to pitch up for the day. We find a suitable location and lay out our stuff and settle down to sunbathe. I checked my phone and see a message from a client ‘Hi Jamie, did I just see you on Elia beach?’. I messaged back ‘oh! Yes I am there…where are you?’. We then found each other and had a chat. He was with his husband so slightly awkward (I think the husband knew he’d hired me…). My friend thought it was hilarious. Later on a guy walking around in a white t shirt with ‘masseur’ on the back approached us touting for business. A massage was booked for next day (one each for me and my friend). It was nice to be on the table for a change (and yes it was that kind of massage 🍆💦). So I think if I lived in Mykonos I’d use the beach to look for business 🙂. Although I think I probably don’t quite have the beach perfect body that seems to be a requirement for that beach!

Yep always great to end with head massage. Some clients are asleep after 5 minutes of head massage 🙂

Everyone is different. Some clients cum after say 40 minutes…and not by me being unskilled and failing to keep them bubbling away….they just get over excited and cum. Last summer I had a client laying on his front, half hour into a 90m massage shoot his load just because my cock was next to his face. “Jamie…I just cum” he said, and he called time. I asked if he wanted to continue, maybe cum again etc but for him he was satisfied and asked to use the shower. He paid me the full rate. Another client who I first saw a couple of years ago did same after 15 minutes. Despite me trying to slow him down he didn’t want to relax so things rapidly developed and he shot his load. After that he was happy to lay down and receive a proper massage for the full time (with a second cum). He’s done the same thing every visit since that first time so now I just know that he likes to start like that. Everyone is different.

I get asked that. I don’t consider it unusual or offensive. Personally I don’t like them, so I avoid the aroma but if my client wants to use that’s fine by me (as long as he asks). I’ve one client who asks me to supply some for him. Actually that reminds me of another request which was made of me which is quite unusual. A regular client asks me to get him sex toys. I’ve bought a Fleshlight, and one of those awful fake rubberised vagina/ass thing for him. He reimburses me the cost when he pays for his session. The strange thing is we use the toy during his session but he then asks me to keep it for him, and he then isn’t interested in it any longer.

Well worth it @Coolwave35 😉…see you soon!

I think you were right to pass on him. ‘He’s avin a laugh’ as we say here in England. PS…By the way…next time you’re in London for a massage my rates have increased…£1k for the hour (inflation here terrible). I bottom too…that’s £200 per in thrust (out is free) 😉.

Some unusual requests I’ve had: 1. Wear underwear you’ve worked out in. That’s fine. 2. Don’t shower or use deodorant ahead of my massage. (Could have been same client as 1 above). That’s fine too. 3. Can my friend / partner watch? That’s fine but there’s extra charge if they want to join in. 4. Will you piss on me? This was a 4 hands massage (the guy was a client of the other masseur and I was asked by the other masseur if I’d do this with him). It was agreed. But I wouldn’t do again because I struggled to piss! Try anything once but this was not something I’d do again. 5. Will you tickle me? This was agreed. He actually wanted to be ticked for the whole massage, so it wasn’t actually a massage…. it was a tickle. I struggled to keep tickling him for the whole session. Wouldn’t do it again. Hard work! 6. Will you massage my wife as a surprise? (Actually this is a fairly regular request). It’s always a ‘no’. She must be in agreement and aware of the massage beforehand (and sign an agreement). Amazing how many guys ask for surprise massages for their partner. Of course there’s lots of normal, regular requests such as to wear certain underwear, use toys, certain physical acts, role plays, use masks or blindfolds, use floor/bed, shower together, happy starts middles and ends including how that happens etc. It’s amazing how many variations of massage are possible.

No, it’s a regular request. The answer is yes.

I’d say you’re both at fault. He was rude and you haggled over price. His rate is 300. That’s it, the starting rate. Looks like from the exchange that he expects to bottom. So he has to prep etc whether you book 30 mins or 3 hours. I don’t take bookings for less than an hour. It’s just not worth it and it seems that’s his view too, it’s not unusual. Often clients looking for half hour sessions are the same ones who haggle over price. Most guys I know will take a very dim view of haggling. It’s like saying to the provider “you have valued yourself at X per hour but I don’t think you’re worth that so I’m offering Y per hour”. That’s a poor start to what you hope will be a good session. For this reason, as soon as a client questions my rate I know for sure that they won’t book because I’m not reducing it nor am I going to do anything to facilitate the booking. That’s what he did….his response was that of someone who has already decided you’re not the type of client he needs. He could have been a little less blunt: “Sorry, I don’t do anything for less than $300”.

Does that mean after an hour they pay, then after another hour they pay again etc for however many hours the session lasts? I’m intrigued…is there a bell or something sounding after an hour? What if at that point your cock is in him? Do you pull out and sort the money then stick it back in once the fee is done? It’s like there’s a card reader in your ass crack the client has to swipe his card through whenever you stop pumping. “Ugh he’s stopped and I’m at my limit on the Visa, I wonder if he takes Amex?…swipe…great! …started again”😂 I only had one client try to pull a fast one on me. I always collect payment afterwards. The guy was dressed and ready to walk out without offering payment so I said “how would you like to pay?”. He makes some move to his wallet and says “oh I don’t have the cash”….in a surprised way. I think he expected or hoped I’d say “oh you were so hot and I had such fun that you don’t need to pay me, we’re now friends…this was a hookup etc”. Some guys have this fantasy that they’re on a date, maybe I made him feel like that and of course that’s what I’m aiming to do, that’s the job… but occasionally you come across those that think ‘oh maybe it’s real?’. I think he was one of those rather than someone trying to not pay. I felt quite awkward for him because he clearly hadn’t read the situation. Looking back on the messages we exchanged before he booked I could see he had assumed a familiarity with me despite my saying the rate and time duration etc so it clearly was a client session. I said “oh it’s ok I have a card reader, you can pay by card”. At this point he ‘found’ some money in his wallet but it was still short of about half the fee. I’m sure he expected me to say “oh that’s enough don’t worry about the balance” but I said “there’s a cash machine 5 minutes walk away, I have to walk past it so let’s go there and you can get the balance out”. So I got dressed and walked with him…very closely..to the machine where he withdrew the balance of what he owed me. He’s been back a couple of times since and always had the cash. I do think I’m his situation he hopes that we’ll end up mates and I’ll see him off the clock because he often messages to hookup etc. With clients like that it’s very difficult to make sure they’re clear about the nature of the relationship. If he wasn’t paying I wouldn’t see him. Some people really struggle to understand that unfortunately and I don’t want to have to explicitly explain it.