Jamie21

Yes I agree it’s short for submissive, which can usually mean they’ll bottom for you, and generally be submissive to your demands, hence the ‘sir’. But not everyone who will bottom will do so submissively. If I bottom I usually prefer to do that from a non submissive position. Whatever you see on a guys profile should be taken as illustrative; check with him what he means by it to avoid any awkward misunderstandings…

I think it does help to have a thick skin. It feels like some people are delighted (looking for it) to be offended. My view is if someone is behaving badly it’s their problem not mine, I’ll ignore them, or if I’m feeling mischievous I’ll wind them up a little bit more, just for general amusement. If you’ve engaged in ‘discussions’ on Twitter this place is a kindergarten by comparison. People are generally civil, it’s well moderated and uplifting / informative.

Two clients is more work but not necessarily requiring double the fee. I’ve some massage clients who like to be massaged sequentially (while the partner watches). That’s just like seeing two separate clients with no gap between so I charge my normal rate. I treat it like two separate clients. Having each partner watch is fine by me, it’s actually good fun because I like to perform with an audience. If the session is 90m with both partners participating at the same time then I charge my normal 90m rate, although it depends on what they want to do. It’s kind of unusual though to have that partner/provider session, much more common is me and another provider on one client. Arguably that’s less work but of course the client is paying for two guys. When the client wants me and a female that’s when the price increases significantly because the female providers I know and work with tend to charge more than guys (there’s equality for you!).

Ah! Can’t be from Scunthorpe either.

All the pics say ‘I’m from Essex’.

For next time: What’s appropriate in this situation is…no tip. I’d also suggest you avoid booking with guys who take such a casual and perfunctory approach! He fleeced you.

Makes you realise the value of it when it’s gone for a few days. I missed it. Thank you

Oral skills vary wildly. If the giver is a poor sucker then I’m ’thanks for trying but no…’ I’ve a regular massage client who is expert at it. His visit to me always the same. After 10 minutes I stand at end of the table and massage his head. After a few minutes of this he lifts it up takes my cock into his mouth and sucks me to completion, with a nice creamy mouthful. The rest of the massage continues as normal to a HE for him. It’s rare for me to cum from oral alone but this guy achieves it. I try to learn from him.

I never ever initiate contact with clients to drum up business. Luckily I don’t need to. If he needs to do it you might ask yourself why… If you’re being harassed by him to book a session and you want him to back off here’s what to say “I’ve caught something and need to refrain from any sexual activity until it clears up”. You won’t hear from him again 😉

Wow does ‘proper’ mean something different where you are @Vegas_Millennial? I didn’t realise that. As a Brit I use ‘proper’ in the correct way because I speak ‘the King’s English’ …the standard, correct and educated form of the English language. 😉. But if the client wants it I can also do proper cor blimey London cockney…just like Dick Van Dyke 🤪.

I think I’m going off the subject of cock position, so apologies and please remove this to a new thread if necessary but @Simon Suraciraises a good point: preparation for massage/escort services. If you’re expecting sexual energy, and 100% of my clients are, then as well as positioning your cock appropriately please be prepared! Let me list a few of the things I’ve had to deal with: warning- it’s graphic but this is my life so you need to know. A guy with such awful haemorrhoids that it looked like a bunch of cherries was protruding from his ass. He’d even applied cream to them which made it look even worse. (Maybe it wasn’t haemorrhoid cream and he was trying to make them more appetising for me?) He did say ‘I may be a little sore down there so go careful’ which I interpreted as ‘use plenty of lube and try a finger first’ but when I saw the state of it I decided nothing was going to happen in that area. Nothing. Did he really expect me to …? A guy who was very corpulent with dried poo between the folds of his skin when I spread his cheeks to rim his hole. The actual hole looked clean. Simon’s discreet wiping is a thing I do, but tbh it’s not possible to discreetly rub away at dried poo. I love rimming but not so much doing a lot of preparation work. Cheese. That’s all I’ll say. I’m cut so it’s not something I deal with personally but I’m not dealing with it in my work OK? Post fuck or fingering rimming. Always happy to do that after I’ve been in first time. But what goes in has got to come out squeeky clean. With a recent client I pulled out and my cock was covered in poo, which spread over the towel underneath, and onto the client’s balls and legs. When it’s runny poo like that it’s not so easy to clean up…He was face down on the table, oblivious to the situation. I told him ‘I’m just going to the bathroom to freshen up’ …. ‘Sure Jamie’ he replied …and before I went I cleaned him all up down there. Which must have been obvious because it took a while, then I dealt with myself. When I returned he’s on all fours asking me to rim him. We were near the session end so I flipped him onto his back, lifted his legs, went in (to stay in) and finished him off with my hands whilst I pretended to finish inside him (honestly I really couldn’t). When I pulled out there was another mess. I threw away the towel. And people complain about the rate.

Yes, some clients are very unsubtle about it. Their legs are spread so their feet hang either side of the table, their back arched to present their hole. This can happen in the first 5 minutes 😂. I had one client who, when I pulled the towel off him (I start with a towel on them and slowly pull it off after about 10 minutes) I noticed he had a butt plug in him. He’d not mentioned it when we discussed his massage before he got on the table. Not so subtle. Undressing ritual at the start is a good way to begin a longer session. I offer it in a 2 hour session. Usually the client will be hard once undressed and it’s possible to relieve the hard on (in various ways) so that he has a happy start, and he can then lay down with a soft cock, relax into the massage and build up again to a happy ending. Clients love that.

I could hardly be described as young!(although my mind says ‘you’re 19 you can do 100 push ups straight’ and my body says ‘wtf’). Ok so it helps to be in good shape and have a big cock or cute bum to do the work - those things get the clients to your door but they don’t keep them coming back. It’s your skill and attitude towards your client as @ApexNomadsays that makes you a provider. In some ways only a more mature guy can do that. I don’t think I’d have realised it if I was doing this work at 23 when I was physically in my best shape but mentally I was a kid (and confused sexually!). And the other benefit of being an older provider is it’s amazing how many younger guys like to hire hung daddies 😂.

Yep, men always playing a role that they think they need to play, through having learned it, feeling conditioned by society / religion / family to play it. Hiring can give them an opportunity to be their real selves for a while and maybe start to learn that skill to take outside of the session. I think of it as ‘You want to be your real self? Whatever that is? Ok let’s take our clothes off because they are masking you. Let’s drop our guards by communicating without words because they are loaded with judgment and meaning. Let’s use a primal human need like sex (and touch, and intimacy) to let go of all the labels and roles and judgments. How does that feel? I’d say that’s what’s going on in 75% of my sessions. Clients come first for the massage, and the sex, but they come back for the opportunity to be intimate, vulnerable and to find themselves. Same with me, I started doing the work thinking it was about massage and sex. Now I see it as something else.

Onlyfans collaborations where he films your encounter and it gets published, or making personal request videos…. want to watch him wank whilst saying your name and what he’d do to you? Just ask and he will name the price, film the video and provide it to you. That kind of thing.

Good escorts / masseurs generally like giving. They are pleasers. If the client is happy then so are they. The risk is they end up doing things they may regret or that they are not comfortable with doing just to please their client. Guys that are just foucused on their own satisfaction wouldn’t last long as a provider.

My lawyer fucked me, but don’t they all?

Yet there’s other clients who will not define that provider as ‘average’ (because it’s all subjective) and will complain at having to pay $300 to hire him. Too bad, they can’t afford it. Like you, they move on but they are irritated by the provider’s rate unlike you who are simply bemused by it. Everyone’s perception of value is different.

People hire for all sorts of reasons but in my experience a very common reason is that they’re looking for intimacy. They can get sex, the physical act but getting intimacy as well as sex is something that’s much more elusive. By intimacy I mean things like a build up, a seduction, sex as an exploration rather than as a destination. They don’t get that at home or from hookups. They can get it from an escort (a good one) or masseur who goes that far (basically a masseur/escort). Sure some guys just want to get railed quickly but if you do that and then offer them the slower more intimate approach they tell you they enjoyed the slower session more. I guess it’s the old adage: it’s the journey not the destination.

I think it’s bad form to short a client on time. They book an hour they get an hour unless they want to finish early. Sometimes a client might cum after 45 minutes of an hour massage session and if that happens I just clean them up and continue the massage. It’s fantastic to have your feet massaged after you’ve cum…try it! And of course it’s lovely to have a head massage at any time! When I’ve done escort sessions I haven’t assumed that just because the client cums the session should end. Usually I’ve suggested a shower together or cuddling or just talking and then things usually get going again.

All my films on OF (and on JFF) are watchable just with your subscription. No PPV. There’s over 100 films (around 30 to 55 mins) on the JFF and 40 on the OF. Great value! 🙂 I’m aware some guys on OF just post teasers and draw you in to paying for more. There’s chancers out there. Do your due diligence!

I’ve a few regular clients who like to finger me. It’s intriguing when I see a client and he starts to explore back there because usually they’re more interested in playing with my cock as I massage them. They’ll touch me and test if it’s ok so I add a bit of lube to my hole and next time he touches he can feel I’m lubed up so it’s a signal for him to go in properly. Clients love to hear me groan with pleasure as I massage them…kind of turning the tables. I think @marylander1940is correct in saying it can hurt though if for example his nails aren’t short or especially if he just pushes in and out. It’s better to insert and leave it there, applying pressure on and off to the prostate. When withdrawing do it slowly. Just thrusting your finger or fingers in and out is definitely not good!

Many of my clients are American and occasionally the conversation touches on politics. I’m ok to discuss it with them because as a Brit I don’t have a dog in the fight and I can comment from a position of ignorance in part. I’m socially very liberal and economically conservative and such views tend to align with Americans who hire anyway. In my experience the conversation soon moves from politics to the Royal Family about which most American clients are obsessed. Sometimes I think they wish they’d stuck with King George III…

If you think of it like that, you won’t succeed. That’s the first consideration.

It’s beginning to look like one of my passwords 😳