Jamie21

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No you don’t. You can politely decline, although they will make all sorts of judgments about you if you decline tea. Best to say ‘oh yes I could murder a cuppa’ and then sip it slowly until it’s too cold to drink while you discuss the weather, and then you can say ‘oh what a shame my tea has gone cold…anyway lovely to chat but I must dash, cheerio!’ and then you leave. They’ll love you because you had tea, you discussed the weather and then you left them without over staying your welcome.

Yes, a good massage is ideally around 90mins. But say if someone wanted just head massage, you can do that in 30 minutes. Sometimes clients want just lingam massage, that can also be done in 30 minutes. But my style is more suited to a full body massage with a slow build up.

I answer the door in shorts, vest top or t shirt and socks. I need to be reasonably respectable because I have to walk down a shared flight of stairs to the main door to let my client in. Once inside the massage studio I can remove whatever clothes need to be removed to start the massage. It reminds me of a time I visited another masseur to film a collaboration for our respective fans sites. This guy is a reasonably well known figure (as an escort / porn guy / live performer in London sex clubs). We had arranged to film at his place, a house in east London. I said I’d drive there and would bring my massage table. The plan was to film him receiving a massage that progresses to sex etc. I arrived at his place and manage to park in the street almost outside his house, and I message him that I’ve arrived. I have a lot of equipment to bring inside (the table, cameras, lights etc) so I just take my bag out of the car and knock on the door. He answers with just a towel around his waist, sauna style. This didn’t surprise me, as it looked like he was just out of the shower. What did surprise me was when he came out into the street, in just the towel, with clearly nothing on underneath (he’s large), to help me bring the kit and table from the car. Exhibitionists never miss an opportunity! I was impressed. It was a fun filming session. Really nice guy.

It’s legal here in the UK. Simply from my experience of rates here for providers of different ethnicities I don’t see the same level of discrimination as seems to exist in the US. I’m Caucasian…British and a Londoner, so my experience is from that perspective. I’ve friends in the business (escorts and masseurs) of all different ethnicities and none has said they experience much difference in expectations from clients in terms of rates, or demand. Maybe because London is probably the most cosmopolitan city on earth there’s enough business for rates to be similar regardless of ethnicity? I think British society is also less segregated than US, even outside of big cities. Class seems to be more of a divider here than race (although those things do intersect). A British person can accurately place someone in the correct class as soon as they hear them speak, or by the way they make tea, or by what they call their evening meal. Foreigners cannot be taught that, it’s innate to a Brit. There’s so many factors that come into play with how providers set rates and how the market influences their rate decisions that it is very difficult to identify how much race influences it. This is a ‘looks’ business so it’s inevitable that if for example a guy likes smooth skin he’s more likely to find that look in a provider from east Asia. That’s likely to be his hiring preference. It’s a shame however to be so narrow in taste. I see all sorts of different races as clients, including guys who if I wasn’t working I probably wouldn’t be with recreationally so to speak, but what I’ve learned is that as your experiences broaden so does your appreciation of the beauty that exists beneath the superficial look. When you make effort to find the attraction in someone it’s amazing what things you discover and it really opens your mind to how attraction works at deeper levels (it’s the same regardless of ethnicity). Of course if doing sex work isn’t your job then yes, it’s easier and simpler to go with ‘I know what I like’ but I’d say to those who always go for a specific ethnicity- try a different cuisine occasionally. You might open up wonderful new vistas!

I don’t do half hour sessions. It’s too short but I do occasionally get asked for them. It’s simply not practical for me although I can see how it would work; a quick ‘cum and go’ session for the time pressured or those without the means to pay for longer. It reminds me of a regular client who was clearly very excited as soon as he had undressed in one of my first sessions with him. He’s a large guy, well built and strong. He likes to pick me up as we cuddle. I suggested on this occasion that we start with a cuddle. Standing next to the massage table we embraced, he pulled me in close so that his cock was pressed against me (he’s a few inches taller than me). He doesn’t kiss (too intimate- I think there’s some guilt going on unfortunately). Anyway, after a couple of minutes cuddling he says to me “Jamie, I have cum”. Honestly I hadn’t even touched his cock with anything but my stomach. I hadn’t realised he was hard (he’s not especially large down there). He put me down, we part and I see that sure enough he has shot his load over me…. after only about 5 minutes of the session. It could have ended right there. Especially given that once he’s cum he’s one of those guys who becomes all embarrassed and ashamed at what has happened and wants to leave as soon as possible. He’d booked an hour and it took me a fair bit of persuasion to suggest to him that after his shower he put on his pants and I give him a therapeutic massage and we pretend the cum hadn’t happened. I didn’t want him to leave after 10 minutes nor did I want to charge him full price for that session. It seemed a bit unfair. Fortunately after his shower he did agree to stay for a massage (and in fact he did manage to cum again so it was fine). After a number of sessions with him I’ve managed to get him to feel less guilty and be more confident about enjoying his body, which is great! He’s much more confident now and able to control his response better. This is why I think the quickie cum and go half hour session isn’t something I’d want to do. The client might as well have a wank. Most of the fun and excitement is the anticipation and the build up. The longer that is the more enjoyable the journey and the more delicious is the destination.

Maybe you should! You seem to know how it all should work.

And some clients want to buy a 2024 Mercedes GLE with 1999 Ford Fiesta money 🙂. I’m certainly not a 2024 Mercedes (tbh I don’t know what one of those is!!) but I guess I have my attractions because I’ve been working steadily for years and have seen over a thousand clients. Everyone has a market… Anyway, the problem of clients asking for things they can’t afford happened twice today already. First client wants an out call which is over an hour drive each way. It’s beyond my normal area but he asked for the visit so I quoted a rate but he can’t afford it. So he keeps asking for a keener price… Another guy has phoned twice asking about what’s included (it’s all on the website). Then he asks the rate (also on the website) and hey… he says he can’t afford it. Both clients have walked into the wrong shop. It’s surely not difficult to see the published rates and think ‘ok perhaps that’s not in my range, I’ll look in the Ford dealership instead of the Mercedes dealership’?

Ha ha! You should read my blog about the time I saw a client at his place and the dog was on the bed with us. Wasn’t a small dog either. 😳

Since I don’t do weekends (although I have done a holiday with a client) then it’s a bit hypothetical but in your above scenario I’d go with the $10k. If the client puts a higher value on the experience than I do then I’ll go with his value. Everyone is satisfied. I don’t have an advertised price for it, so if that’s the price the market will pay then that’s the price I’ll go with. For my advertised services the prices are stated on my adverts so if clients would have been prepared to pay more then I’m losing out. I’m pricing to maximise revenue for the supply I’m prepared to make available. If I was prepared to see 5 clients a day I would likely have to reduce the price to ensure I’d always get 5 a day. If I want 1 client a year then I’ll price extremely high (there’s always 1 with more money than sense 😂). It’s a bit trial and error but the more one understands how the market works the better one can refine the pricing model.

I’m happy to let others be the judge of that.

Well…some clients do like me to talk dirty. No offence meant 😉. Glad to see you can be laconic sometimes.

Did you charge by the word?

Looks like I’ve fallen into the trap of trying to argue with someone who is an expert haggler! @Jaroslav I’m sure if I had the temerity to say the sun rises in the East you’d argue it didn’t 😂. I’m guessing you’re a lawyer? Probably a good one too. No, I’d not tell the client he’d overshot. I’d tell him it was tough but ok he’d beaten me down and I’ll do it. Price is determined by supply and demand in a perfect market where both parties have full information. Where that isn’t the case the seller can make excess profit if they have better information than the buyer.

I think I am being honest. Negotiations need both parties to engage in them. If providers refuse to enter into a negotiation (which I have said is the case most of the time) then it isn’t a negotiation. It’s one sided, and that’s what I’d call a client ‘haggling’. Example: Client “how much for 1 hour?” Provider “£200” Client “hmm will you do £150?” Provider “sorry no” Client “but I’m hot / a student / hung / poor this month / will become a regular / semi famous / here’s a dick / bum pic to persuade you” Provider……(tumbleweed…) Blocks client. Thats haggling. Alternatively… Client “hmm will you do £150?” Provider “can do £175?” Client “£165 and you have a deal” Provider “Ok £165” (prepares to offer a £165 service rather than a £200 service). That’s negotiating. See the difference?

It wasn’t inadvertent. Context applies. Weekend rates is quite a different thing to a session of 1 or 2 hours.

Yes it’s to do with perspective. As a provider I see it as haggling (especially if asked twice). A client might see it as negotiating. I’m always intrigued how so many guys who haven’t done sex work (massage or escorting) seem to have such strongly held views about how to do the job. Even when most of the guys who actually do the work contradict what the guy is saying!

They’re testing your limits. For services like that, where there really isn’t much of a market rate, it’s best to find out how much the client is prepared to pay. If you answer him with say £5k then he’ll be delighted he didn’t quote you £3k…If his real price for it is £7k then he’ll say ‘no, sorry’ and wait for you to up your offer.

Of course you can haggle! And of course I’ll say ‘no, this is my price’. And of course you can continue to haggle. And of course I’ll then ignore you. Don’t need those kind of clients. There’s plenty who don’t haggle. If I felt the need to accept haggling clients then I’d simply exit the business. I’d say that’s why it generally doesn’t happen: because guys in this business don’t want to deal with that kind of client. Sure, you’ll find some that do, and you’ll find those are probably not very good because they’re doing it because they have to rather than because they want to. That’s the crux of it.

Before Brexit there were even more of them here!

I think there’s no good reason for requiring a picture. It’s just because he’s being picky about who his client is, and that is a sign he’s doing the work as a way to earn a bit of money from his sex life. So beware if you’re asked for a pic. There are ways of getting around the recognition issue of buzzing in to a secured building. Many intercoms don’t have video anyway. Just give the client a password to say. And if meeting in a hotel lobby I usually just tell my client what I’m wearing and where I’m sitting and they find me. I saw a client recently at a hotel and sent him a description of what I was wearing once I’d arrived in the lobby. He texted back with his attire. Was easy to find each other. Only once I’d sent the text did I realise that I couldn’t really be missed…I had my portable massage table next to me 😂

The prior replies I accord with. It really should not be necessary. I never ask for pictures and prefer not to receive a pic of the client. I agree with @Simon Suraci in that it usually implies they want me to comment, or offer them a free session because they’re so hot. That’s never going to happen. Most of the times a prospective client sends a pic unsolicited then they never go on to book a session. Find a guy who doesn’t ask you for a pic. Chances are he’s doing the job because he enjoys it regardless of the clients looks etc rather than effectively monetising his sex life. That kind of sex worker isn’t likely to be much good.

I don’t care about being seen with a client. It’s only happened once as far as I’m aware. I was in the jacuzzi with the client who booked me when the guy who recognised me got in and started chatting. It was quite awkward because my client was already anxious about going (he’d only been to a sauna once before and had been ignored). Also I didn’t want to embarrass my client by telling the guy who saw me what the ‘arrangement’ was but turns out he guessed because he later texted me to ask if the guy I was with was a client. Somehow we must have given off those vibes!

If the client is my client, and they’ve asked me to arrange the extra pair of hands then I’ll get my collaborator’s fee, add mine and then quote the client the combined fee. My rate for a 4 hands is almost the same as my rate for just me, it’s only slightly less because the time involved is the same. The client pays me at the end of the session and then I settle up with my collaborator. I don’t do sessions where the client arranges the other person because I like to know who I’m working with. Similarly if I’m asked by another guy to join them for their client then I quote my usual rate. A couple of the guys I regularly work with know what my rate is so there’s no need for them to check with me, they just give their client the total rate. If their client is ok with that then they’ll check my availability. I regularly get asked if I can work with a female. I do have a few females who I’m good to work with but I’d say that it’s much more expensive to hire a M/F than it is to hire M/M. Their rates are significantly higher than mine so if you’re hiring me with a female then it’s going to look expensive. In this industry it’s the women who get paid more!

I’ve a friend who started out as a client. He hired me about a dozen times. We first met at a social event and then he began hiring me. We became friends and the final time he hired me I declined payment because the relationship had changed. It’s the only client that has happened with but I felt uneasy about him paying me when our relationship had developed into friendship (meals out, holidays, theatre trips etc). It’s not a bf situation because he knows what I do and neither of us is monogamous. I personally would find it difficult to treat friends as paying clients. I prefer to keep that separate.