Monarchy79

The “gut” is usually right. 
it’s when we think with our dicks that we wind up saying….. 

“I knew better.” 

3 hours ago, Hot4latin said:

yeah, but you can never find one when you need one 

Ain’t that the truth!!! LOL

There are enough sexual predators out here who provide such a service for free….. 

Further, specific to massage…. It would be smart for an independent masseur to offer a discount. 
1.) unlike masseurs and CMTs who work in spas and parlors , you take your entire earnings home, and 

2.) you can literally control the pricing to offer what appears who be a “discount” and still get your desired earnings. 
 

it’s critical to think strategically with making such business decisions. 

On 2/14/2024 at 6:48 PM, Shawn Monroe said:

If you you made $300+ an hour and you had a boss, would you agree to take a pay cut from your boss if they asked. 

I see your point, but your analogy is a bit off. 

Working for someone in a business and being shortchanged on your hourly rate is entirely different than being an independent proprietor and offering discounts on products or services to attract clients (and your rates are self-controlled, and are above the rate of inflation to begin with). 

First off, most professionals who work in companies have hourly rates they are legally tied to through the Bureau of Labor Statistics. They are also contractually obligated to their pay as well.

Many independent businesses associated with various services offer discounts… it’s intended to attract new clientele and grow a base. And usually the discount isn’t much in the first place. 

It’s  important that any business operates with maintaining respect for its brand, while not running it with their ego. This is a hard balance….

If you have a roommate, either:

1.) Disclose that you have one and they will be present, or

2.) Make arrangements for the roommate NOT to be there when you’re meeting with a client. 
 

Clients expect privacy for many reasons and also keep in mind that although you and the client may not know each other (and both of you are taking some risk with meeting), the roommate is even more of a stranger AND a surprise to the client. 
 

Consider this a nominal fee you paid to learn two valuable lessons:

1.) Don’t give deposits

2.) When people have long stories, explanations or exchanges, filled with “complex” matters and circumstances… it’s usually bullshit. 
 

Quoting a saying from the 1990’s, 

you’re just going to have to “Charge this one to the game…..”

2 minutes ago, Charlie said:

If anyone decides this topic is worthy of a photo gallery, I won't be watching.

That photo gallery would definitively belong in the “niche”, area of the Fetish Forum…. LOL

16 hours ago, APPLE1 said:

I consider myself incredibly pragmatic. So:

1) I am very comfortable with the fact that the digestive system is one long tube, and whatever goes in the top comes out the bottom. 🤷🏻 

2) While I may not want to injest shit, or have it over flowing everywhere, I recognized long ago that if my sexual proclivities included the insides of assholes, at some point, shit will be present. 🤷🏻 

3) I learned long ago that sheets, towels, fingers, hands, and penises, along with many other things, are all washable. 🤷🏻 

4) I couldn't imagine being in a relationship and having to have he conversation, "hey hon, I am horney. Could you go clean out so a few hours from now we can have sex?" 🤷🏻 

I think that what  you’re referring to is not exactly the issue here. We’re not talking about the practices or judgments on douching before sex. We’re talking about some mens’ inability to wipe and wash their butts. We’re talkin’ base-level here…. 

In many cases, masseurs and massage therapists cannot give a thorough massage because the client has skids, tissue paper and dingleberries from his un-wiped butt. 
 

8 hours ago, yessiree48 said:

Holy hell as a younger guy that’s relatively new to this hobby, I can’t believe this is a thing with clients.  I guess because I always imagined escort clients to be the well-groomed executive types due to movies and pop culture.  I always make sure I’m trimmed and clean all over before any hookup, let alone massage/session

 

You providers have my sympathy

But it’s not just providers who experience this….

In the general dating world, hygiene is a major     topic of angst, in all genders, across the spectrum of sexual orientations. 
 

Question:

Why is it a surprise that some of these potential clients have poor communication issues, or are overly sensitive, or are just simply socially inept? 
 

For some of these guys, that’s why they are reaching out to hire… Just imagine them communicating in real life with men outside of the realm of hiring. 

3 hours ago, topunderachiever said:

I'm curious.  What percentage of men (in the US) over the age of 60 do you think use ED meds regularly for their sexual encounters?  

This is a really good question, as I personally know of two guys who use it, they a both under 50, and use it for recreational purposes.

13 minutes ago, Simon Suraci said:

I am embarrassed FOR them, but I know they are just completely out of touch with their bodies and how these things work. 

These are men who have the means of paying hundreds of dollars for your time. They are definitely in touch with their bodies. They are also definitely in touch with their extreme social ineptitude. 
 

Ill bet you that if a provider decided not to wipe and put his toilet-tissue-stuffed butt in the clients’ face, not only would he be suddenly “aware” of such matters, but he’d complain about it vehemently too. 

This lack of social respect goes beyond this level of personal service too. I’ve seen numerous Reddit threads where professional waxers and doctors have encountered filthy people who know they are about to receive a service in very “personal” areas, and will show up disgustingly unclean. 
 

You owe people who present themselves like this no empathy. You don’t have to be rude, but you don’t have to coddle them or comfort them either. Please use your right to refuse service. 
 

5 minutes ago, Simon Suraci said:

Some clients are completely oblivious. I even wipe some of them, without saying anything. 

Oblivious? Or just casually inconsiderate? 
 

I consider proper hygiene to be a moral, social and spiritual obligation. 

If anyone (client, provider, hookup), presents themselves to you in an extremely unhygienic manner, consider it an act of disrespect and end the encounter. No discussion, no suggestions to take a shower and no sensitivities about it. 

No grown man should be walking around with toilet paper stuck to his improperly-wiped butt crack. Nor should he have dingleberries or skids. He knows of his activities throughout the day and knows that he should take care of ALL of that before meeting up with anyone. This means that soap, suds and water must be scrubbed and rinsed thoroughly through your body before any and every encounter. 

Period.

16 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

I was approached years ago by a small, but well-known publishing house in NYC.  I was asked to write a sample chapter for them to look at.

They didn't like how I blurred the more juicy details.  They clearly wanted a tell-all (or something like one).

I said I'd be more interested in writing it as fiction.  Alluding to, but not directly pointing things out.

I tried to frame it as good for them to avoid lawsuits.  They didn't budge.

That was the end of me ever wanting to write a book.

 

It’s unfortunately that the publishing house didn’t budge. 
 

They could have possibly considered transforming it into a set of scripts for a miniseries (TV show) or a movie. 

40 minutes ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

I've never been stiffed on my rate for time, but was once taken for a rather large hotel bill.

Client was a solid guy for 15+ years.  He was visiting NYC.  Suite at the Carlyle.  His card was giving him issues, so I graciously put down a cc and he agreed to make sure I was paid back.  I didn't think there'd be an issue.

There was an issue.  A $24k issue.

Moral of story:  Don't confuse being gracious and being stupid. 

I ended up getting my money back. 

From what I was told, he eventually ended up dead, pulling this same bullshit on people who weren't so understanding of his con.

You need to write a book. 

This is great news…. 
No one wants to be walking around with a hard dick, and then not remember what to actually do with it….. 

Am I the only one who just thinks that much of Andrew Christian underwear is just tacky as hell? 😂

(No offense to those forum members who indulge in the brand…..)

A very reckless advertisement as people are still getting arrested and major investigations and sting operations are STILL occurring in public places by law enforcement. 

Some uninformed idiot could watch crap like this and just casually have sex in public, not thinking that they can be charged, jailed and placed on the Registered Sex Offender’s list for it.

48 minutes ago, purplekow said:

 

While I do not usually haggle, I see no harm in asking.  Most people here are of the opinion that this demeans the provider.  I raise the option that a client may truly not be able to afford the cost but is so enamored of the provider that he is hoping to have an opportunity to meet with him. For this, the potential client is willing to debase himself by asking for a more affordable price.  

Sure one can always say, you should buy what you can afford, but if that were true, coupon makers and Groupon would be out of business. 

Are such services appropriate to be linked with “affordability”? 
 

19 hours ago, BeefyDude said:

Should I ask him for any wiggle room?

 

Absolutely not. 

If someone states their price, respect it and either book them or not. 
 
Haggling appears to be an annoyance (and sometimes insulting), to many service providers. 

Once a guy respond to you with his rate, a simple “Thank You”, is sufficient. 

Then move on to someone who’s pricing is comparable to your standards of payment. 
 

11 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

 

That’s why for me personally: I now have a $250 starting session, with $200 being the base. $250-$500 is the range I desire. Also like a previous topic I posted: a longer session which earns $1,000-$2,000 is going to really make a difference.

 

You forgot to mention your mandatory deposit. 
😎😝

The fact that you’re asking this question clearly indicates that you aren’t comfortable.

Your instincts are telling you not to move forward with it.