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The "daddy" thing might be interpreted as a specialty, not that they are not interested in older men as clients. That word can mean different things to different people. To some it could imply some kind of role play, to others, that they prefer older men, to others that they are age inclusive. Lately the labeling in this "community" looks more like segregation rather than inclusiveness, so I'd not jump to conclusions and maybe ask. I say maybe because if I start communication and the provider doesn't ask, I don't see the need to volunteer information or inquire.

Yes. Friends, my husband, my therapist and people in this forum, some of which I actually know who they are. The idea came up from my therapist, I decided to let my husband know and I shared with some friends in casual conversations. My husband's reaction was the same he has for everything. He just says "OK". My therapist 's reaction was "How does that make you feel?" My friends' reaction was "That's why you are less bitchy lately".

In my experience, good and bad masseurs are all over the place and in every venue. I've had both awesome and terrible massage therapists in pretty much every setting, RM, MF, hanging on the streets, hotel SPAs, private SPAs, bath houses, everywhere. I could not tell that there's a specific setting that will guarantee a good quality massage. Just my experiences, not law.

This is the vibe that I get when the provider asks me to leave the cash on the table. I've never seen anything wrong with it. Not something I pay much attention to.

As I mentioned, I didn't get his name. He wasn't muscular, more on the slim side but well built.

I think it's common. I'm no expert, but it could be that some guys are not that experienced. I get that type of messages from fairly new providers and some who are very young. BTW, the opposite also happens. I've gotten long list pf services provided and other messages that could be more succinct.

Just went today to the Prince SPA. I think it's a mix review. I got the massage with the body scrub. The price: very reasonable. The cost of their most expensive treatment is $140. That includes the body scrub and a massage. The massage: Heavenly in every aspect. The therapeutic part of the massage was awesome. The masseur I got was very skillful and attentive. The HE part was as good, and through the last part of the massage the masseur started building up to the HE. He was just great. Unfortunately I didn't get his name. He did use his whole body to massage me. The body scrub: Simple but appropriate for what I paid. I was placed in a jetted tub bubble bath for about 10 minutes, then moved to a massage table where I got the body scrub, and yes, he scrubbed everything from my butt hole to under my foreskin. Then back to the jetted tub to remove the whatever was used on my skin. The facilities: Adequate, not yet looking all worn out but seems like they are heading that way. They are starting to show some signs of needing updates. The experience: There were a few things that could have been better. One, the towels used during the massage looked very worn out (like, with holes). Another thing was that the setup for the massage, was missing the piece to rest my feet. However, I got an immaculate robe, sandals and a brand new towel to dry myself, though the smaller towels for the massage were in not the best condition. The massage was awesome, though there was little communication (probably because of the language barrier) about issues or conditions that he must be aware of. The masseur: Young Asian man with a killer smile and hot body, very personable, though his English was very limited (Good that there's Google Translator now). I'd repeat, but I am not sure I can guarantee the same experience that I had. The things that didn't make it a perfect experience are important and can be a deal breaker for some. Also, the overall experience didn't strike me as consistent. Maybe I was just lucky to get that masseur. I left with a smile, satisfied with the experience, though I did overlook some details. Back home tomorrow from LA 🙂

I go for more rounds, sometimes hang around and have conversation, sometimes just some foreplay, once we played video games. What makes me go for another round to is liking sex and my body agreeing with it. I think that the feeling of the session being over might have to do with chemistry, interest or interpersonal skills. I do enjoy talking to the provider; that helps me determine my interest in future sessions. I haven't experienced providers cutting the session short. I have cut sessions short, but never the provider.

Wow! That's red flag after red flag. I'm glad that you managed to leave. What's that "those things come later when I'm his boyfriend" thing about? I'm glad that you were able to manage to get out of that situation and most importantly, learn from the experience.

I think Cialdini's rule of scarcity.

Yes, I've been told that they need haircuts for a job interview, food, rent, new sneakers, milk for their babies, car payment and find a place to stay for the night, among other things. I've heard it all. No, they are not usually legit. It is a common red flag to me. 10 times out of 10, I get the whole story and/or the real intent by keeping the conversation going, and it's never legit. In my experience, quality providers don't do that (not right away, at least).

So no nudity, no HE, the awkwardness of caressing a naked man that by default he's not attracted to, and doing that next to his brother. What exactly is the attractiveness of this?

For that question: Like, duh! Yes. The events seem like the result of a communication problem. As much as some providers want to milk a trip as much as possible, they might not have known exactly what to pack or wear. I wonder, with all the preparation and logistics that such event takes, why weren't attire and expectations about expenses during the trip discussed prior to leaving? That doesn't look like an unreasonable conversation to have in preparation. Traveling to the UAE does require a little bit of additional information, just like traveling to certain other destinations. Also, in my experience, when certain level of elegance and attire is required/expected, it has become a need to explain to people what they should wear, and even with that, some don't get it. I am in no position to finance such a trip, nor am I single/free enough to do so, which means that this is just speculation on my part. I'd include attire, expenses, gifts and/or other extras in the discussion before the trip, so there is an understanding of expectations. They are in the business of pleasure, so I imagine that they will do just like travel companies do, continue charging for everything that happens along the tour. That should not be a surprise (IMO). I hope everything else in the trip went well (meaning, they didn't embarrass or dissed you).

I don't necessarily disagree. The last part of your sentence is the key, in my experience and opinion. I've gone full sex with some masseurs, and I have given them a "tip" afterwards, thought that was never agreed with, but more importantly, it was up to him to let me go that far. The masseur is always in control of the situation in terms of how far he will go, but in my experience, some have gone quite far with me. Trying to attempt a more than erotic massage might not result in what you might have in mind. However, I am quite sure that many providers can attest to having experiences with clients wanting to go farther without even asking or agreeing. In that respect, it's not weird, maybe not even inappropriate, but just think about the awkwardness after if he sets a boundary and says no. Will you be comfortable for the rest of the session if you get rejected?

This might be a question for The Deli.

I have my preferences, but I've never asked for anything in that respect to providers.

Quite odd, IMO. I'd never give my full name. I always use cash, and I don;t ask for their names either.

That's still around? Seems like there's an IT history between the countries. Regarding the norms, I wasn't referring to that. I was more talking about their homophobia, which is the social norm there. Not all social norms have to do with culture.

I thought of that, but it was just this website. RM, and other websites (I didn't access porn, though) worked perfectly fine. Either way, I did enjoy my short stay there as much as I could. The message I got was about the IP address being blacklisted. Not sure which IP address.

I agree about the possibility of being just inexperience, but as others have posted, there is a market for what he offers. I'm not sure it's not a well though of strategy. Could be a mix of things. Like with the case of many other things I've read in profiles, mostly inconsistencies, I just let it be and move on if what I read is not my thing. Personally I don't see the need to single him out.

We tend to be more risky than women. It's just how we are.

Thanks. It was both the ship and the hotel in Panama. I wish I could say the same, but unfortunately, my experiences is that we are tolerated and that's for as long as we comply with their norms, which are quite homophobic. However, I trust that you have experienced that country much more than I have. Thanks to all. I'm not sure what happened there.

I'm not wealthy, but have some disposable income, with some of it dedicated to providers. I go with providers as far as my means allow me to. I never go over budget with them. I do not know what would I do if I had money enough to spend 6 figures in provider. I feel happy with what I get within my means.

My experience with this is when I've hired older providers. Some have acted that they are over everything, but that is on the first try, not that they have been regulars or during other visits (I never returned to those). My regulars have always been very reliable and seem happy to see me; the quality of their work and their warmth when they meet me has not changed. I think that part of the reason they become my regulars is because we have good chemistry and (at least it seems like) we both enjoy the experience.

My experience is that the "exploration" has never ceased, but it's not that I am necessarily looking for anything new, but rather respecting what my body and my psyche needs at a given moment. There are a number of things that I know I don't like or care for without trying them, but that aside, I like exploring, and sometimes, the exploring involves a new provider, sometimes it involves a different practice, setup, approach or place. At the same time, I do have my regular providers who I trust and like seeing for different reasons, from a simple, guaranteed high-quality massage, to whatever that is not a massage. As I grow older, I also notice that certain things that used to fascinate me no longer do, as some become repetitive, and some, I just lost interest in. I see this as not a straight line, but as part of experiencing life. One of the principles that I learned to establish is to really listen to my body and to think with the upper head first. The familiarity of the guys I see regularly sometimes takes the back seat, especially when I travel to new places. It's not an "either/or" thing for me.