Mark_fl Posted January 1 Posted January 1 1 hour ago, Jamie21 said: Of course you can have an opinion about what you’re prepared to pay but don’t complain about the quality of services you get at that price. Alternatively if you think you can do a better job at the rate you’re prepared to pay go ahead and set yourself up. Then you might be able to comment with some justification. This is silly. I don't need to open up a restaurant to tell you that it's overpriced or that the food sucks. All I ever expect from a provider is that he looks like his pictures, does what he promised to do, and treats me with the same respect I treat him with. I can complain about the value I get for my money all I want. If the chemistry isn't there or he isn't willing to do things we didn't agree to (and I didn't pay for), such is life.
+ Jamie21 Posted January 1 Posted January 1 36 minutes ago, Mark_fl said: This is silly. I don't need to open up a restaurant to tell you that it's overpriced or that the food sucks. All I ever expect from a provider is that he looks like his pictures, does what he promised to do, and treats me with the same respect I treat him with. I can complain about the value I get for my money all I want. If the chemistry isn't there or he isn't willing to do things we didn't agree to (and I didn't pay for), such is life. I agree. I’m talking about the guys who object to rates without trying the service. pubic_assistance and MikeBiDude 2
Heart It Deep Posted January 1 Posted January 1 1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said: Double edged sword. Cant say too much about selling sex...but that gives you the impression they are a cold fish. Exactly pubic_assistance 1
Mark_fl Posted January 2 Posted January 2 4.hours seems like an awful lot, but if the last two hours are $100 each, I'd feel silly not taking them.. maybe a 2 hour rest in the middle would work out well. + SidewaysDM, NipLuvr212 and Luv2play 2 1
Aedo Posted January 2 Posted January 2 I'm not seeing this drop in pricing. What I have seen is that those for whom this is a side hustle charge less, and those for whom it is a livelihood who travel charge far more. I don't think that LA and NY and Miami providers realize that incomes in those areas are far higher than everywhere else in the US, and so they look foolish for trying to charge the same as they would in their home cities. Someone I was considering hiring in November complained to me, after I turned him down for being more expensive than I was willing to pay, that he had hardly made any money during his stay in Texas because he hadn't met many clients. I told him if his rate were $250/hr instead of $350/hr, he likely would have gotten clients. That's just one anecdote though. There is a guy who lives in Houston who charges $350/hr (although, fortunately, he was liberal with the time, and didn't ask for more even though our session was longer than an hour). He must have been having trouble finding clients, as he has asked me every other month if I would like to see him again. I would happily see him a few times per year if he charged less, but I never broach that subject (probably because I deem him one of the very few worthy of that price, and would indulge were I wealthier). Perhaps I will shoot him a message mentioning that to him. I will continue to eye with suspicion those traveling from LA, NY, or Miami. I wonder if those markets are now oversaturated, and so they're trying to make up the difference by visiting Texas or Chicago. Broadly speaking, the decrease in illegal immigration will put upward pressure on provider prices, but the economy being bad for the poor and middle classes will likely create new providers, which will put downward pressure on prices. The economy hasn't died yet, but if and when it does, I suspect that doctors will once again garner an hourly wage greater than that of NY and LA escorts. I just hope that some of these guys are putting their money into the stock market and aren't living in complete frivolity. Not only will the economy have a recession at some point, but the professional path they have chosen has a shelf life, unless they manage to be the Joe Flacco or Philip Rivers of escorting. I feel that way about my own profession, so I put about 40% of my income into the markets/treasuries, as I don't think I can do what I do forever, and so I have to watch myself and my spending. pubic_assistance, Braziliancutee, + DrownedBoy and 1 other 4
Mark_fl Posted January 2 Posted January 2 Sounds like a failure to understand economics. If the economy goes bad, fewer will be able to afford services. Current providers would have to either be ok with fewer bookings, or lower the price. If the economy is bad enough that many others go into this line of work, competition for fewer dollars might drop the prices more. Conversely, if there are fewer providers, those still working can raise their rates. It's not an insult or an accusation. It's simple economics. Not sure why everyone is so angry about it. + KensingtonHomo, NJF, pubic_assistance and 3 others 1 1 4
pubic_assistance Posted January 2 Posted January 2 32 minutes ago, Braziliancutee said: ... I am not just a escort I am a lawyer as well and I know what I am talking. Generally speaking an actual lawyer doesnt base all his arguments on anecdotal evidence...so I find this claim to be suspect. Confidence is sometimes attractive but don't confuse cockiness for confidence as an admirable trait. TMB and + SidewaysDM 1 1
+ KensingtonHomo Posted January 2 Posted January 2 13 minutes ago, Braziliancutee said: U need to accept the price will not go down and that’s the reality. I'm all for people advocating for themselves and their profession, but you're moving into delusional territory. I suspect it's because you're young. But as the economy contracts and the cost of living rises, hiring is likely to be one of the first areas people will pull back on. We've cut back a bit, not just on hiring, but also in planning our vacations for this year. It's partly due to rising costs and partly because we want to remain debt-free (except for our mortgage). When fewer people are willing to purchase a service, providers either reduce prices or go out of business. This is particularly true of non-essential services. Plus, given how bad the job market is, particularly for people in their 20s, we will likely see more guys entering the market, which will increase supply. So, greater supply plus fewer customers (or less frequent customers) is a recipe for prices to drop. In fact, today I got quoted $300 an hour from an extremely attractive, well-reviewed escort in NYC. Your allusions to people who don't want to pay $500 plus Uber rides, being "cheap" or "poor retirees," are obnoxious. People are making choices based on their interests. If my husband and I want to go on three vacations this year, we'll hire fewer providers. And if providers increase their rates, we'll hire even fewer. And we're never paying for Ubers because we take the subway. We're happy to make a nominal deposit to prove we're real. + SidewaysDM, NipLuvr212, Medin and 2 others 5
Mark_fl Posted January 2 Posted January 2 18 minutes ago, Braziliancutee said: The annual inflation rate in the US rose to 3% in September 2025, the highest since January, up from 2.9%. and u guys think we need to charge less? You are clearly just looking at this from one side. Sure, inflation causes prices to go up. But many of the restaurants you spoke of went out of business. Others lowered prices. McDonalds brought back lower value meals. Chili's has thrived because of $11 meals. Sure, higher end restaurants, like providers, may be able to just up prices and survive, to think that model works for everyone is naive. + SidewaysDM, + DrownedBoy and pubic_assistance 1 2
+ KensingtonHomo Posted January 2 Posted January 2 34 minutes ago, Braziliancutee said: Yeah sure the price of restaurants and food in the supermarket is not going down… I don’t think the economy is so so bad right now. I think u guys want to hire a escort for the price of a cheap dinner. If I had to charge that price (100 per 1h) I never would do escort and me and more 4773 younger guys would stop to do that. You guys need to think about that You went to law school in Brazil and then came here to be an escort. I suspect you're quite aware of the economy, or you'd be doing legal work in your home country. Or you'd have come here to be a lawyer. Also, $100 per person or even a couple isn't a "cheap dinner." It's a fairly normal price for two people at a nice (not luxurious) restaurant in most parts of Brooklyn (assuming you don't drink). I sense that you (and some percentage of the younger guys in the business) do this because you want to live a luxurious lifestyle. You cannot afford that with entry-level legal work, so you turn to escorting. That's great if you can make it work, but in the time of a contracting economy, legal services may be essential, whereas sex work isn't. + SidewaysDM, Medin, + DrownedBoy and 2 others 2 3
+ KensingtonHomo Posted January 2 Posted January 2 7 minutes ago, Braziliancutee said: I don’t think we can stay in that job for so much time. I believe till 35 is ok after is not. This one cracked me up. We mostly hire guys 35 and over. Some of our favorite regular providers are in their 40s. Luv2play, Medin, + SidewaysDM and 3 others 1 3 1 1
Mark_fl Posted January 2 Posted January 2 8 minutes ago, Braziliancutee said: Who will eat McDonald and will stay hot? I believe u don’t want hire a fat guy right!? You clearly missed the point. The point was that even in this economy, sometimes prices have to come down. I didn't think it was that difficult a topic. Where did I suggest providers should start eating at McDonald's?! + SidewaysDM, NipLuvr212, + KensingtonHomo and 1 other 1 1 2
Mark_fl Posted January 2 Posted January 2 I am beginning to understand the choice to leave law. pubic_assistance, SecretProvider, + DrownedBoy and 4 others 1 6
pubic_assistance Posted January 2 Posted January 2 (edited) 3 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said: Also, $100 per person or even a couple isn't a "cheap dinner." It's a fairly normal price for two people at a nice (not luxurious) restaurant in most parts of Brooklyn (assuming you don't drink). $ 100 per person is moderately expensive for MANHATTAN, and my wife and I DO drink. Generally speaking, we spend $ 75 per person including a glass of wine for each. There are a lot of Brazilians (our young friend included) who see the luxury lifestyle and think they "deserve" it, so they pretend they are part of that lifestyle, and seek out gentlemen with thick wallets and desperate personalities. I know of a few Instagram models who have found themselves a rich sugar daddy, after selling their hole for a year or two. So it IS attainable (for a period) for some of the special guys who offer an experience to be with an exceptionally attractive model. I think @Braziliancutee is confusing THIS business model with the standard industry expectations of charging $ 300 to cum in their ass with a bunch of clients weekly, so they can pay their $ 3500 rent on a studio in Hells Kitchen, and eat out at Five Guys. Edited January 2 by pubic_assistance grammar + SidewaysDM, SecretProvider, Luv2play and 1 other 1 3
CuriousByNature Posted January 2 Posted January 2 (edited) 3 hours ago, Braziliancutee said: Who will eat McDonald and will stay hot? I believe u don’t want hire a fat guy right!? As long as he shares his fries with me, I would be okay with it. LOL To bring things back to the original question, and the apparent drop in donation amounts. Last night I found myself in a situation where a very desirable (to me) provider, PAID ME for my time. It was amazing. Such a connection. And it seemed to last for hours and hours. But then I woke up. Edited January 2 by CuriousByNature TMB, Nue2thegame, pubic_assistance and 2 others 5
+ JamesB Posted January 2 Posted January 2 This topic comes up every so often, so here’s my take. I don’t really share the gloomy view of the economy. In 2025, the U.S. economy showed solid resilience and growth, and for 2026 I’m expecting more moderate but still steady expansion. I’m sure this varies by market, and I understand that those living on only fixed incomes may see things differently. As for provider rates, I don’t see them declining overall, nor do I expect them to. Historically, that simply hasn’t been the case. What I have noticed is a wider range of rates than usual, and I don’t have a clear explanation for that. I’ve also started seeing more discounts, which at least in my local market is fairly typical at the start of the year and again during the summer. I’ve also observed an increase in the number of providers over the past six months, though in my area most of those are traveling providers. As things stand, this “drop in rates” feels more like wishful thinking than an actual trend. As always, this is just my opinion, and it’s worth exactly what you paid for it. Luv2play, JB_Studio38, + Vegas_Millennial and 2 others 2 2 1
CuriousByNature Posted January 2 Posted January 2 I'm confused by the back and forth on this issue. I have never met with anyone, but I understand that donation amounts have increased in most places, especially since the pandemic. And the cost of living has gone up in many places as well. So it is understandable that donation amounts would also increase - providers can command whatever donation amount a client is willing to pay. However, affordability has generally decreased across a wide range of goods and services, and many people seem to be feeling the crunch of their income not growing at the same pace as the cost of living. I assume that is the primary problem here. Things like meeting with providers has probably become less and less affordable for a lot of people, but that doesn't mean a provider needs to reduce their requested donation for their time. If their donation amount is too high, they won't get enough business to justify the amount, and they may need to lower the amount being requested. Simple economics. But there are still many clients in high income brackets who can afford to meet with anyone and at any cost, and these individuals will continue to support the higher donation amounts that providers request. It ultimately doesn't matter whether or not someone can survive on a middle income in Brazil or elsewhere. What matters is that affordability pressures in the US and Canada have reduced the ability for many people to access time with providers. It isn't the providers' fault - it's that the present economy has concentrated relative wealth in a smaller and smaller group of clients. Luv2play, + KensingtonHomo, + SidewaysDM and 1 other 1 3
Danny-Darko Posted January 2 Posted January 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, Braziliancutee said: I am still waiting u answer me about if u could live with the salary from the middle class of Brazil MANY of us on this board have or do travel to Brazil precisely to meet men like yourself. Life is MUCH cheaper in Brazil, and we all do what we need to do to survive. If your present city is too expensive for you, you can always leave and move somewhere else. I went a few decades ago from renting in The Castro in San Francisco to being a homeowner in a small city in Florida. For me a certain level of stability was more important than living in a gayborhood in SF and life in California. Believe it or not, somehow "Garotos" in Brazil survive on the equivalent of $35 per foreigner (less for locals) at the saunas! Yes, you would have to compete among your own, but that's life! The market is saturated here and there will always be an endless flow of young men getting in and out of the business for a variety of reasons. Edited January 2 by Danny-Darko pubic_assistance, + Vegas_Millennial and + SidewaysDM 2 1
Chien Andalou Posted January 2 Posted January 2 On 12/31/2025 at 4:34 PM, Boaxxx said: Come to the San Jose/San Francisco is you are traveling all around the US. 😈 He’ll be here in two weeks.
SecretProvider Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) 15 hours ago, Braziliancutee said: And I am feel very happy bc i am discussing this for all the escorts. you are not speaking for all escorts and you are not putting yourself in the best light here. You have mentioned that 'even nice young and good looking' clients are paying your rates, which suggests that people who do not fit into that category will not get the same price or service from you - which is a sure sign of a bad provider, and I would assume that many clients do NOT fit in that category who read this will be disinclined to hire you. so great job there! Just state your price and if it doesn't fit the clients budget, wish them well in their search. Arguing here like this is not making you, or us, look good. Edited January 3 by SecretProvider spelling + DrownedBoy, + KensingtonHomo, peter831 and 4 others 1 1 2 3
SecretProvider Posted January 3 Posted January 3 1 hour ago, CuriousByNature said: I have never met with anyone, do you mind if I ask how many providers you have reached out to? I'm just curious.
SecretProvider Posted January 3 Posted January 3 3 hours ago, pubic_assistance said: $ 100 per person is moderately expensive for MANHATTAN, and my wife and I DO drink. Generally speaking, we spend $ 75 per person including a glass of wine for each. There are a lot of Brazilians (our young friend included) who see the luxury lifestyle and think they "deserve" it, so they pretend they are part of that lifestyle, and seek out gentlemen with thick wallets and desperate personalities. I know of a few Instagram models who have found themselves a rich sugar daddy, after selling their hole for a year or two. So it IS attainable (for a period) for some of the special guys who offer an experience to be with an exceptionally attractive model. I think @Braziliancutee is confusing THIS business model with the standard industry expectations of charging $ 300 to cum in their ass with a bunch of clients weekly, so they can pay their $ 3500 rent on a studio in Hells Kitchen, and eat out at Five Guys. + KensingtonHomo, + DrownedBoy, Danny-Darko and 2 others 1 4
Elite_XL Posted January 3 Posted January 3 This quite an interesting topic which I have discussed with colleagues before. From our perspective, it seems to be a trend where the expectation is also for lower prices from the clientele on places such as Florida and Texas to the degree in which if you travel there, you might have to drop your rates just because majority of the market is oversaturated there and are used to the already existing lower rates. When it comes to asking for an Uber/Lyft, I view it as a form of deposit and security for the appointment. We get a lot of text of people that just fake wanting an appointment and then ghost you. I sometimes can be comprehensive and ask for what they are willing to spend. Whether, you low ball it too far, thats already on you. It is time, energy and preparation that I will spend out of my day to meet you. I do charge on the higher end but, haven’t had any complaints yet after the meeting. 1 hour ago, SecretProvider said: you are not speaking for all escorts and you are not doing putting yourself in the best light here. You have mentioned that 'even nice young and good looking' clients are paying your rates, which suggests that people who do not fit into that category will not get the same price or service from you - which is a sure sign of a bad provider, and I would assume that many clients do NOT fit in that category who read this will be disinclined to hire you. so great job there! Just state your price and if it doesn't fit the clients budget, wish them well in their search. Arguing here like this is not making you, or us, look good. I do agree on this. Don’t speak for the rest of us Nue2thegame, + KensingtonHomo, mike carey and 2 others 3 1 1
JB_Studio38 Posted January 3 Posted January 3 5 hours ago, CuriousByNature said: a very desirable (to me) provider, PAID ME for my time. It was amazing. Such a connection. And it seemed to last for hours and hours. But then I woke up. Either that or, you looked like muni long in drag and the provider was gay for pay: But in reality he’s hetero/pan flexible or whatever it’s called in 2026: 🤭 CuriousByNature 1
JB_Studio38 Posted January 3 Posted January 3 On 12/31/2025 at 7:33 AM, DrownedBoy said: Compared to small Midwest towns with a population of 20,000, yes, Chicago is more expensive 😂 You know I gotta fact check you 😉 Coming from Florida and Texas: Chicago IS expensive. Maybe not the deeper suburbs in Illinois, but those are also expansive. And you still pay a lot in tolls. I once had a $35 toll bill, and I didn’t even fucking go to Chicago. I drove around the outer burbs but it still cost a lot and I didn’t even know how much I was being billed because they have it all Bill by plate now. Also gas there is more expensive, taxes etc. + DrownedBoy 1
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