Getting tired of Flakes

[GentJ]

It's an interesting topic--the "premium" providers--the "instagram models". I've interacted with a few of them on behalf of clients trying arrange group stuff. They... don't seem like very nice people. It's hard for me to imagine the sex being very fun, no matter how chiseled their abs are. Am I wrong?

I may be new and inexperienced, but it seems to me that success in this business is having regulars. There's no need to have deposits for regulars. There's no need to pay for the RM Platinum plan (which is super pricey), if you have regulars. Is it just me, or do these guys not end up leaving their customers satisfied. From the outside, it looks like a revolving door of one-timers. 

[+ KensingtonHomo]

43 minutes ago, GentJ said:

It's an interesting topic--the "premium" providers--the "instagram models". I've interacted with a few of them on behalf of clients trying arrange group stuff. They... don't seem like very nice people. It's hard for me to imagine the sex being very fun, no matter how chiseled their abs are. Am I wrong?

I may be new and inexperienced, but it seems to me that success in this business is having regulars. There's no need to have deposits for regulars. There's no need to pay for the RM Platinum plan (which is super pricey), if you have regulars. Is it just me, or do these guys not end up leaving their customers satisfied. From the outside, it looks like a revolving door of one-timers. 

I probably said earlier that I'm not generally drawn to "premium" or "Instagram" providers. Putting aside that abs and such don't really appeal to me, I find that personality, charm, and "being game" makes for the best providers. The guys we see regularly are attractive but probably not "Instagram" models. We generally aim for 30s and 40s age-wise but have good experiences with some guys in their late 20s. The latter is hit or miss because we may not have much in common. But it's really HOW they handle their clients that makes us repeat clients. Are they responsive when we reach out? Are they considerate and communicative? Do they show up sober, energetic, and ready to play? Are they kind? Of course, there are exception but we tend to find those things to be true among providers who are a bit older and more seasoned.

[DMonDude]

1 hour ago, GentJ said:

It's an interesting topic--the "premium" providers--the "instagram models". I've interacted with a few of them on behalf of clients trying arrange group stuff. They... don't seem like very nice people. It's hard for me to imagine the sex being very fun, no matter how chiseled their abs are. Am I wrong?

I may be new and inexperienced, but it seems to me that success in this business is having regulars. There's no need to have deposits for regulars. There's no need to pay for the RM Platinum plan (which is super pricey), if you have regulars. Is it just me, or do these guys not end up leaving their customers satisfied. From the outside, it looks like a revolving door of one-timers. 

I find this to be particularly true for the 20-24 age range guys for sure. Not all of them though, some of them are cool. But a lot of them, especially ones who found out about providing after having a social media and/or OnlyFans following definitely conduct themselves in this in a way that other providers don't. Their intent is to run through as many of us as they can to "get the bag up". They generally lack the "i'm a pleaser" and genuine care for the client having a good time aspect that a lot of providers also have in addition to the business acumen.

Obviously what us providers/clients do is a business relationship, but these Instagram/OnlyFans famous guys tend to not do a good job at creating the illusion that they're into the client or creating a friendly/sexy atmosphere. It's just "i have X zillion followers/subscribers, i'm hot, i'm here, and you can touch me/i'll touch you" and they think that's all they have to do.

In their defense though, i've seen some of them figure out that other piece of the puzzle after their first couple months at this. A couple annoyed clients and bad reviews and mingling with other providers has some of them learn a better way to do this and they do much better after that. But some of them don't figure that out (or actively choose to not be better) and i think those are the guys who get stuck with a revolving door of one-timers.

Edited 10 hours ago by DMonDude
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[+ Jamie21]

1 hour ago, GentJ said:

I may be new and inexperienced, but it seems to me that success in this business is having regulars. 

You learn fast. It’s 100% the route to sustainable success. Most months over 50% of my clients are returning clients. 

 

1 hour ago, GentJ said:

the "premium" providers--the "instagram models". I've interacted with a few of them on behalf of clients trying arrange group stuff. They... don't seem like very nice people.

There’s also truth in this in my experience. I’ve collaborated with quite a few of these ‘A list’ guys and whilst I wouldn’t say they’re not nice, they were perfectly friendly towards me but it was definitely a ‘performance’. That’s fine, it’s filming porn, you’re creating a fantasy and it’s perfectly possible to perform for the camera but I’d say if you’re hiring them then they’re probably not going to be doing much work to make you feel great. To some of these guys it’s simply enough to look amazing: they don’t think they need to do much for you. 

[pubic_assistance]

53 minutes ago, KensingtonHomo said:

abs and such don't really appeal to me,

🙄 

Some people swear that McDonalds is their favorite restaurant too.

To each his own.

But I do agree that looks ALONE do not a good escort, make. 

When I PAY for company, I want QUALITY. That means a balance between superior looks and personality. I always say, the hottest guy I ever had sex with was also the worst lay I ever had. So nice abs and a nice personality trumps a ripped-as-all-hell asshole.

[GentJ]

46 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

 

Some people swear that McDonalds is their favorite restaurant too.

I'm hoping to work my way up to at least ShakeShack! 🤣

But that's sort of what I'm saying about these Platinum guys... They're going for volume. They're definitely not The French Laundry.

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[PoundMeOnaPlane]

Flakes suck. All of them.

 

Clients who flake? Suck.

Providers who flake? Also suck.

Snowflakes? Beautiful, but still technically flakes.

 

Let’s be clear: contrary to what seems to be the majority view, both clients and providers take losses when someone flakes, and neither side gets to declare their loss is greater by default. Loss is personal—it’s measured by the person who feels it. Time, money, energy, libido… all valuable currencies in this hobby.

 

I’ve never ghosted. Ever. But yes, I have cancelled—because after a provider moved the time three times over three hours, I realized I had aged a full decade waiting and still didn’t have a door number. At that point, what were we doing? We both lost—me an encounter, him a donation, and both of us a shot at something fun. Equal-opportunity disappointment.

 

Look, many great points have been made about how ghosting hurts providers—especially those who’ve prepped, traveled, or blocked out time. I totally agree. But the idea that providers are somehow immune to causing damage? Nope. When they fail to communicate, constantly reschedule, or underdeliver, they lose something too: goodwill. And in this world, goodwill is the glue that holds things together. (Well, goodwill… and lube.)

 

This hobby is a risk, plain and simple. No one walks into it bubble-wrapped and insured. Both parties can and do get burned. That’s exactly why flaking—on either side—needs to be treated like the venereal disease of behavior: preventable, irritating, and contagious if not handled.

 

If something comes up for a client (and I do mean comes up 👀), then at the very least, send the provider their fee. Don’t be that person. Be the kind of person you’d want to book.

Conversely… what should a provider do when they waste the client’s time? That’s the part where things get hazy—and honestly, it’s infuriating. It feels like when providers flake, the response is “Oh well, he’s probably tired.” When a client flakes? Out come the pitchforks.

 

And finally, as a Public Service Announcement to all the non-newbies who are warming up their fingers to pile on me for saying any of this:

 

Please know, I absolutely enjoy being at the bottom of a pile of moaning men.

(Just make sure you’re on time.)

 

Cheers and lube to all. 🥂

[+ KensingtonHomo]

49 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

🙄

Some people swear that McDonalds is their favorite restaurant too.

To each his own.

But I do agree that looks ALONE do not a good escort, make. 

When I PAY for company, I want QUALITY. That means a balance between superior looks and personality. I always say, the hottest guy I ever had sex with was also the worst lay I ever had. So nice abs and a nice personality trumps a ripped-as-all-hell asshole.

Oh, you're back. We thought someone had dropped a house on you. 

I don't eat fast food. So when I EAT I want to YUMMY food that is well prepared and plated well. 

If only you actually believed "to each his own," instead of insisting your penchant for hairless, 20-something twunks is the universal ideal of beauty. You're like those straight guys who couldn't believe women preferred the dad bod over the ripped bod. 

[+ DrownedBoy]

It's the younger escorts who flake the most often. GenZ is practically unemployable in real jobs, and they manage to screw up this job as well.

Not understanding the importance of regulars is the main thing, I agree. Unbelievable how many arrogant brats tried to get on my good side....years after I hired and (unofficially) fired them.

[Simon Suraci]

4 hours ago, GentJ said:

It's an interesting topic--the "premium" providers--the "instagram models". I've interacted with a few of them on behalf of clients trying arrange group stuff. They... don't seem like very nice people. It's hard for me to imagine the sex being very fun, no matter how chiseled their abs are. Am I wrong?

I may be new and inexperienced, but it seems to me that success in this business is having regulars. There's no need to have deposits for regulars. There's no need to pay for the RM Platinum plan (which is super pricey), if you have regulars. Is it just me, or do these guys not end up leaving their customers satisfied. From the outside, it looks like a revolving door of one-timers. 

I couldn’t have said it better. I have the same experience as you organizing groups for my clients. The porn stars, content creators, insta-gays, and similar types are often the worst hires, that is, if they show up at all. So flaky. Some won’t respond to a legit straightforward business inquiry, and others are too precious about basic details. These guys sure are beautiful on the outside, but make for lousy (and flaky!) providers.

My opinion is clients are better off enjoying these guys’ porn and saving their bigger dollars for experienced providers who take in-person work seriously, who actually care about making clients feel good. Some of them in this group will have chiseled abs and look like they are in their 20s, but they are a minority. You don’t always have to choose one or the other, but if you want a quality experience, a lot of the insta gay looking guys won’t fit the bill, or even show up at all!

[jmichaeliii]

I have been lucky enough to find regulars both locally and where I travel for work.  I have pretty much stopped sampling because of reasons spoken about on this thread.

I repeat with my regulars because they treat me great and every session I have with them gets better each time.  Trust, respect and comfort between the parties means a lot.

[Nightowl]

2 minutes ago, jmichaeliii said:

I have been lucky enough to find regulars both locally and where I travel for work.  I have pretty much stopped sampling because of reasons spoken about on this thread.

I repeat with my regulars because they treat me great and every session I have with them gets better each time.  Trust, respect and comfort between the parties means a lot.

Here here!  When you find a good one whose company you enjoy and who treats you well, keep him!

[pubic_assistance]

2 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said:

If only you actually believed "to each his own," instead of insisting your penchant for hairless, 20-something twunks is the universal ideal of beauty. You're like those straight guys who couldn't believe women preferred the dad bod over the ripped bod. 

Well I personally don't subscribe to the "I will fuck anything that moves" viewpoint, but I am aware that plenty of people's standards are appropriately low because they shop where they can afford to shop. But to me, if you're PAYING good money, you shouldn't be buying week old hamburger. Go for the Prime Rib.

Women don't "prefer" old-dad-bod unless old-dad has a thick wallet.

Back to the subject of flakes...there are always plenty of Instagram types who make plenty of money from their ONLYFANS account. I see no reason why they would even bother escorting, if they aren't going to provide a superior experience. I DO agree with you. Better to go with the more ordinary looking guy who goes out of his way to suck your dick than hire some beauty queen with attitude. 

Just saying, I personally don't see the point of PAYING for "ordinary". Lots of damn good looking guys who ARE good at what they do. Just might take a little more time navigating and sorting through the losers. 

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[DMonDude]

57 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

Well I personally don't subscribe to the "I will fuck anything that moves" viewpoint, but I am aware that plenty of people's standards are appropriately low because they shop where they can afford to shop. But to me, if you're PAYING good money, you shouldn't be buying week old hamburger. Go for the Prime Rib.

Women don't "prefer" old-dad-bod unless old-dad has a thick wallet.

Just saying, I personally don't see the point of PAYING for "ordinary". Lots of damn good looking guys who ARE good at what they do. Just might take a little more time navigating and sorting through the losers. 

You put a whole lot of words in their mouth there. They aren't saying they will fuck anything that moves, they're saying your idea of what is attractive vs "ordinary" is subjective and not the same for everyone else and that you aren't the taste maker who decides your type is THE type. People have different types and different favorite cuisines, to go to the food metaphor you guys are using. What is your McDonald's is someone else's Michelin Star restaurant (and vice versa).

And yes, plenty of modern women absolutely do prefer a dad bod guy over some red pilled muscle head. You're effectively calling all women gold diggers, give them a little more credit than that.

[pubic_assistance]

2 minutes ago, DMonDude said:

your idea of what is attractive vs "ordinary" is subjective

To a DEGREE. Yes.

But there is also a very established RANGE of what people MOST consider LESSER and what MOST people consider BETTER.

It's not just about MY tastes. 

Anyway the thread is about FLAKES, and not about paying good money for boring guys without a six pak.

I think the point was started that some of the most beautiful men available on Rent.men are as flaky as the gentlemen who pretend to want to hire them.

 

[DMonDude]

8 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

To a DEGREE. Yes.

But there is also a very established RANGE of what people MOST consider LESSER and what MOST people consider BETTER.

It's not just about MY tastes.

 

Unless it's EVERYONE all being in agreement, then that still means it's entirely subjective. Not just to a degree, but fully 🤷‍♂️

Edited 5 hours ago by DMonDude

[+ BOZO T CLOWN]

1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said:

Well I personally don't subscribe to the "I will fuck anything that moves" viewpoint, but I am aware that plenty of people's standards are appropriately low because they shop where they can afford to shop. But to me, if you're PAYING good money, you shouldn't be buying week old hamburger. Go for the Prime Rib.

Women don't "prefer" old-dad-bod unless old-dad has a thick wallet.

Back to the subject of flakes...there are always plenty of Instagram types who make plenty of money from their ONLYFANS account. I see no reason why they would even bother escorting, if they aren't going to provide a superior experience. I DO agree with you. Better to go with the more ordinary looking guy who goes out of his way to suck your dick than hire some beauty queen with attitude. 

Just saying, I personally don't see the point of PAYING for "ordinary". Lots of damn good looking guys who ARE good at what they do. Just might take a little more time navigating and sorting through the losers. 

Agreed.

If Bozo is paying for a provider, he doesn't want flabby or over 35. No baldies and no beards. And a six-pack is de riguer.
There may be some providers out there that don't meet Bozo's standards of male pulchritude who are very good at their profession. That's fine. Bozo has ZERO interest in hiring them. But there are plenty that do qualify. And those are the lucky ones that get to spend time with Bozo.

BTC
🤡

[pubic_assistance]

46 minutes ago, DMonDude said:

Unless it's EVERYONE all being in agreement, then that still means it's entirely subjective. Not just to a degree, but fully 🤷‍♂️

What's your opinion about flakes ? 

[DMonDude]

3 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

What's your opinion about flakes ? 

My opinion i had further up thread (when the topic was a bit more "who is flaking worse for" oriented) was the following:

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I agree with others that the annoyance of dealing with flakes cuts both ways, but to me it's obviously worse for the provider. As when a client flakes on them they are losing money, which they obviously use to pay their bills and rent. A flaking client at the wrong time could mean a missed rent payment or other bill for the provider. For us clients, a flaking provider just means "ugh i got ready to bottom for nothing" (even though you could just go get on Grindr/Sniffies or go wake your husband up) or "ugh, i'm still horny, i guess i just have to get myself off tonight instead". They run a business and we're just having fun. So this is worse for one party than the other, it doesn't cut both ways equally.

 

Though i do like PoundMeOnaPlane's take above as well. It's more keep the peace and it was very fun to read. But overall i do still stick with my original take. Flaking sucks for both parties, but it's not equal.

[Wings246]

4 hours ago, jmichaeliii said:

Trust, respect and comfort between the parties means a lot.

Isn't that the universal truth for all human relationships?

Nobody wants to deal with flakes, but they exist in every corner of the world and every stage of life (in school, at work, in business / familial / romantic relationships, etc.).  It only means that they value their time, resources, and needs above yours.  I don't know how to avoid them because they are inevitable and sometimes you are thrust into their lives involuntarily.  I can only blacklist them after I suffer my losses.

[+ KensingtonHomo]

4 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

Well I personally don't subscribe to the "I will fuck anything that moves" viewpoint, but I am aware that plenty of people's standards are appropriately low because they shop where they can afford to shop. But to me, if you're PAYING good money, you shouldn't be buying week old hamburger. Go for the Prime Rib.

Women don't "prefer" old-dad-bod unless old-dad has a thick wallet.

Baby, you wish you were as hot, fun, and sexy as I am, given our similar ages. Never mind that my husband is model gorgeous. You often confuse me for those people you look down your nose at on here because "they have to PAY for sex." Because they're too old or too large or not conventionally attractive enough. We pay primarily for convenience and to find skilled partners. We could easily have a line of 20-somethings by just going on Grindr. 

And you're also wrong about women; probably because you don't have any women friends (except your wife). But vast, clear majorities of women in study after study prefer men with "dad bods" over ripped and chiseled bodies. 

The Unexpected Appeal of Men With Dad Bods | Psychology Today

WWW.PSYCHOLOGYTODAY.COM

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The non-physical traits attributed to those bodies are the key.

In praise of Olly Murs' before bod: why we don't actually fancy the ripped bods

WWW.STANDARD.CO.UK

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What is a “dad bod” and what does the phenomenon reveal about our psyches and social worlds?

 

3 hours ago, DMonDude said:

And yes, plenty of modern women absolutely do prefer a dad bod guy over some red pilled muscle head. You're effectively calling all women gold diggers, give them a little more credit than that.

Among Pubic's many virtues is his consistent misogyny, despite being married to a woman. 

3 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

It's not just about MY tastes. 

It is, Blanche. It is. 

2 hours ago, BOZO T CLOWN said:

If Bozo is paying for a provider, he doesn't want flabby or over 35. No baldies and no beards. And a six-pack is de riguer.

I have a challenge for you. Show how you write on here to any provider and let us know if he doesn't run for the door. 

[pubic_assistance]

8 minutes ago, KensingtonHomo said:

We could easily have a line of 20-somethings by just going on Grindr. 

Yet you dont.

What does any of this have to do with flakes ?