How Do Y'all Afford Hiring These Days?

[+ Gar1eth]

In another thread someone spoke of a provider in NYC charging $500/hr. I know that's not abnormal now, but----
 

Gosh!! $500 per hour-I don't see how y'all do it. Before my involuntary retirement 13 or so years ago, I hired fairly frequently-often a few times a week when I wasn't busy. But at least once every two to three weeks. It seems to me that I could usually get 2 hours for around $350 to $450. 
 

On top of that, I'd schedule semi frequent weekends every few months for Friday to Monday if I could get away with it for around $2500 (and even if we stayed local, we'd be at a hotel-so add in cost of hotel, dining out, activities, plane flights for the escort, and miscellaneous)    

If I were still working, I'm going to assume I would have a low 6 figure salary. But even with that I just can't see that I'd be hiring as frequently as I was accustomed to. My preference was for two hour meetings. I just can't imagine plopping down $1000 weekly for fun time. On top of that, I never hosted at home. So there'd be hotel fees on top of that if the guy didn't host. 
 

So as salaries don't seem to have risen as fast as escort fees, I'm thinking even if I were able to hire, my hiring would be sharply curtailed compared to what I was used to. I'm just in awe that so many of y'all can afford to hire as often as you do. 

Edited March 22 by Gar1eth

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

34 minutes ago, Gar1eth said:

In another thread someone spoke of a provider in NYC charging $500/hr. I know that's not abnormal now, but----
 

Gosh!! $500 per hour-I don't see how y'all do it. Before my involuntary retirement 13 years ago or so, I hired fairly frequently-often a few times a week when I wasn't busy. But at least once every two to three weeks. It seems to me that I could usually get 2 hours for around $350 to $450. 
 

On top of that, I'd schedule semi frequent weekends every few months for Friday to Monday if I could get away with it for around $2500 (and even if we stayed local, we'd be at a hotel-so add in cost of hotel, dining out, activities, plane flights for the escort, and miscellaneous)    

If I were still working, I'm going to assume I would have a low 6 figure salary. But even with that I just can't see that I'd be hiring as frequently as I was accustomed to. My preference was for two hour meetings. I just can't imagine plopping down $1000 weekly for fun time. On top of that, I never hosted at home. So there'd be hotel fees on top of that if the guy didn't host. 
 

So as salaries don't seem to have risen as fast as escort fees, I'm thinking even if I were able to hire, my hiring would be sharply curtailed compared to what I was used to. I'm just in awe that so many of y'all can afford to hire as often as you do. 

Before the labor crisis, I would hire a massuer about every week or two.  On vacation, I would hire about every other day.  Despite a recent promotion and increase in salary, I can't afford to hire an often as I previously did.  To try and save up for anticipated hires when I travel, I haven't had a massage at home in several months.  I've also cut out eating at restaurants or anyplace that it is customary to tip, as I'm trying to save up money to hire.

[Archangel]

Stick to regulars who have a built-up rapport and relationship. Further, I don’t hire for hourly meetups. A) Not my thing and B) waaaaay overinflated for what it is. 

[56harrisond]

 

[BuffaloKyle]

Here in Buffalo there is pretty much zero locally to pick from to hire. So I only hire visitors when they pass through. Which is mainly May - September. So I put money aside during the "offseason" to hire roughly once or twice a month during the peak time. If I lived in NYC for instance man I'd be broke.

[Nightowl]

I usually book several weeks in advance so I can plan my expenditures. Since I only book massage and only once per month, I can usually set aside the money.  Other than good bourbon, it’s my only luxury expense so I make it a priority.

[+ Gar1eth]

6 hours ago, Archangel said:

Stick to regulars who have a built-up rapport and relationship. Further, I don’t hire for hourly meetups. A) Not my thing and B) waaaaay overinflated for what it is. 

I was-am a solitary guy. I was a virgin until I was 41. My first time was with an escort (I am very grateful to him for being so patient with me. He even had to teach me how to kiss). After that for years my only outlet was with escorts. I can't remember my first non-escort sex. It's possible it didn't occur until was 47 or so. Prior to that I had  feelings that needed to be satisfied. And those 2 hour meetings were how I accomplished it. 

Edited March 22 by Gar1eth

[+ sync]

The current price points have certainly had a dampening effect on "impulse spending."

[+ jessmapex]

Gosh! I am glad i am not the only one feeling the crunch. My raises have not kept with the inflation. Stocks had shot up, but now they are back down. I have to cut hiring down by 50% .

[hungry4darkmeat]

Yeah I’m feeling it too. I used to be able to hire a provider every week or two but now I have to be more thoughtful and plan more efficient sessions like choosing one provider rather than two which was always my preference when possible, or booking a short stay rather than a whole night at a hotel. I’m lucky to have a preferred provider who gives me a good rate and charges by the session rather than by the hour who I see most frequently. That helps keep my expenses down but it still hurts my pockets pretty hard when all is said and done, especially since I do enjoy some peruvian enhancements as part of my freak sessions. I recently hired a second provider who was fantastic and I definitely got the living hell pounded out of me in exactly the way I wanted but I’m still short on cash a week later. I make good money and have a relatively inexpensive lifestyle having a rent regulated apartment and a relatively high salary but it adds up especially when providers are charging so much more.

 I have found that being upfront about budget and being strategic about hiring - particularly if i can find a provider who hosts- helps to keep the overall cost from getting out of hand.

 I can recommend some NYC providers who are more reasonable and still deliver a great experience- feel free to dm me. Also being a repeat/regular customer, posting positive reviews every time and referring others (like I’m doing here lol) makes it more likely that a provider will consider lowering their standard rate for you or at least offering to extend the session beyond an hour without charging more for it .

I’ve also found that providers on sites like RM who have extensive experience and established reputations tend to charge more than those on ADAM or other cruising sites like Sniffies and Grindr. You might not get the level of service that you would from a truly experienced long time professional but you might find a young diamond in the rough like I did with Savv and end up with a regular provider who is motivated to deliver and satisfy to grow their client list and establish an online reputation that allows them to incrementally raise their rates.

 I stay clear of anyone with the hustler mentality who wants to get high with me, charges bargain basement prices or insists on a deposit for a first session. I tend to lean towards those who can host and who are flexible and have the right attitude. Having been around the block several times i can usually tell the difference between an established true pro, an up and coming newbie who will eventually be a true pro and a hustler who just wants to get into my pockets for the least amount of work or effort because they don’t plan on seeing me ever again. Be wary of those who don’t think they are worthy of asking for enough to make you think twice about hiring them - those tend to be the ones who really deliver the goods.

My general rule of thumb is that “good dick aint cheap and cheap dick aint good”.

[urbanfetish]

Budgeting is important. This is pretty much my only "splurge." Otherwise, I live a pretty average life (below average?). I don't spend a lot on extras like going out to dinner often or buying the latest phone every year, etc. When I travel, I hire less before and after my trips so I can A) afford the trip and/or B) afford to hire while on the trip. I recently went to Thailand so I didn't hire for a month before the trip and about 3 weeks after. I used to get 90 min massages quite a bit but I have dialed that back to 60 min (most of the time). I also keep track of my spending for massages and escort services so I know if I've gone a bit crazy on my expenses and need to slow down. And I have a rule about credit cards too - if I can't afford to pay the balance each month, then I probably don't need it. You have to be realistic about what you can and can't afford.  

[+ Gar1eth]

2 hours ago, hungry4darkmeat said:

Yeah I’m feeling it too. I used to be able to hire a provider every week or two but now I have to be more thoughtful and plan more efficient sessions like choosing one provider rather than two which was always my preference when possible, or booking a short stay rather than a whole night at a hotel. I’m lucky to have a preferred provider who gives me a good rate and charges by the session rather than by the hour who I see most frequently. That helps keep my expenses down but it still hurts my pockets pretty hard when all is said and done, especially since I do enjoy some peruvian enhancements as part of my freak sessions. I recently hired a second provider who was fantastic and I definitely got the living hell pounded out of me in exactly the way I wanted but I’m still short on cash a week later. I make good money and have a relatively inexpensive lifestyle having a rent regulated apartment and a relatively high salary but it adds up especially when providers are charging so much more.

 I have found that being upfront about budget and being strategic about hiring - particularly if i can find a provider who hosts- helps to keep the overall cost from getting out of hand.

 I can recommend some NYC providers who are more reasonable and still deliver a great experience- feel free to dm me. Also being a repeat/

 I stay clear of anyone with the hustler mentality who wants to get high with me, charges bargain basement prices or insists on a deposit for a first session. I tend to lean towards those who can host and who are flexible and have the right attitude. Having been around the block several times i can usually tell the difference between an established true pro, an up and coming newbie who will eventually be a true pro and a hustler who just wants to get into my pockets for the least amount of work or effort because they don’t plan on seeing me ever again. Be wary of those who don’t think they are worthy of asking for enough to make you think twice about hiring them - those tend to be the ones who really deliver the goods.

My general rule of thumb is that “good dick aint cheap and cheap dick aint good”.

On the old site  I could cut and paste quotes manually to point out exactly what I was referring to. The quotes still ended up in quote boxes. But I don't know how to do that on this new site. 
 

But since I don't I'll just have to ask 

 

1. What exactly do you mean by Peruvian?

 

2. It's probably me. But I'm confused. Toward the end you say 'be wary' of what I think you are talking about less well-known or less expensive escorts. But then it sounds as if you are advising us to keep them in kind for hiring. When you first put 'wary,' I was thinking you were going to advise us to avoid them. If you are saying, we should think about giving them a try-did you mean more 'be alert' to them. 

Edited March 22 by Gar1eth

[hungry4darkmeat]

sorry if I wasn’t clear. I’m saying be wary of hustlers but don’t write off the providers who aren’t yet on the more expensive sites like rm. you have to ask the right questions to be sure you are dealing with someone who actually wants to do it rather than someone who has to do it because they’re desperate for drug money or playing games.

and I meant that I enjoy “hitting the slopes”when I play - not pepsi but…

[moonlight]

I think the short, and maybe uncomfortable answer is that there are a lot of people out there who make (and have) a lot of money. Supply and demand is what it is. There are enough of those people out there that rates are what they are. I think that for many who hire, it's not much of a sacrifice financially. Time is the more limited resource for them.

[+ Gar1eth]

9 hours ago, hungry4darkmeat said:

sorry if I wasn’t clear. I’m saying be wary of hustlers but don’t write off the providers who aren’t yet on the more expensive sites like rm. you have to ask the right questions to be sure you are dealing with someone who actually wants to do it rather than someone who has to do it because they’re desperate for drug money or playing games.

and I meant that I enjoy “hitting the slopes”when I play - not pepsi but…

I'm sorry -probably just me -but I still didn't understand  what you meant by 'Peruvian'. 
 

As for meeting lesser known guys, the Backpage website was occasionally useful in that regard. It's too bad we don't have that as a resource anymore. 
 

 

Edited March 22 by Gar1eth

[mike carey]

8 minutes ago, Gar1eth said:

I'm sorry -probably just me -but I still didn't understand  what you meant by 'Peruvian'. 

Could be something like this:

Male sexual enhancers from the Peruvian Amazon - PubMed

PUBMED.NCBI.NLM.NIH.GOV

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The traditional preparations used to improve sexual performance in the Peruvian Amazon showed activity as...

 

[+ Pensant]

9 hours ago, moonlight said:

I think the short, and maybe uncomfortable answer is that there are a lot of people out there who make (and have) a lot of money

That is true. High-end restaurants are packed. If you enjoyed the asset boom over the past decade, you’ve done well.

[soloyo215]

18 hours ago, Gar1eth said:

In another thread someone spoke of a provider in NYC charging $500/hr. I know that's not abnormal now, but----
 

Gosh!! $500 per hour-I don't see how y'all do it. Before my involuntary retirement 13 or so years ago, I hired fairly frequently-often a few times a week when I wasn't busy. But at least once every two to three weeks. It seems to me that I could usually get 2 hours for around $350 to $450. 
 

On top of that, I'd schedule semi frequent weekends every few months for Friday to Monday if I could get away with it for around $2500 (and even if we stayed local, we'd be at a hotel-so add in cost of hotel, dining out, activities, plane flights for the escort, and miscellaneous)    

If I were still working, I'm going to assume I would have a low 6 figure salary. But even with that I just can't see that I'd be hiring as frequently as I was accustomed to. My preference was for two hour meetings. I just can't imagine plopping down $1000 weekly for fun time. On top of that, I never hosted at home. So there'd be hotel fees on top of that if the guy didn't host. 
 

So as salaries don't seem to have risen as fast as escort fees, I'm thinking even if I were able to hire, my hiring would be sharply curtailed compared to what I was used to. I'm just in awe that so many of y'all can afford to hire as often as you do. 

I was fortunate to get not only my yearly salary raise, but also a salary adjustment. I'm a top-tier professional in my area, so I was in a position where I could demand more from my employer, and I got it. That has been quite helpful in keeping my lifestyle more or less the same.

I have a lot of location flexibility, I travel and for decades I've been good at managing my money. I learned my lesson the first time I planned and budgeted, and then witnessing how inflation stroke. I know things are going to go up in price, so I plan ahead and keep my lifestyle within my means. Then, I just don't hire in NYC, period. $500/hr is just not realistic for me, end of the story. In fact, I'm not sure I'm willing to pay that much even if I can afford it.

For now I have been able to maintain my lifestyle. Not sure what the future holds.

[BrooklynIrish]

I live in NYC, and there's a group of guys charging $500, but I don't hire them. Plenty of guys are still charging $300-$350. If you're on RM, scroll past all the guys who have Platinum membership and the other guys tend to be more affordable. 

[Archangel]

Until I absolutely have to, I refuse to pay “platinum” rates. I don’t feel anyone's time is “worth” that. And by that time, today’s platinum rates will be average rates. 

[Ali Gator]

Despite me switching jobs / companies a year ago, which has put a little extra money in my pocket, I found that little extra has had to cover the increase in daily expenses and emergency expenses (medical and household) which has come up - especially since the start of the year. I also kept my one-night a week part time job, which (at the end of the month) pays for my leased car payment. I've successfully cut back on utility usage (electric, water, and switched from cable to streaming).

Where I used to book a monthly massage with regulars and newbies, I've cut back. I now follow my favorite two or three travelers and book with them when they hit my area every 8 - 10 weeks, and cap it at $200 (though doing full-service with them is tempting, but I won't do $300). I stick to erotic massage, and the ones I see do encourage plenty of 'mutual touch'. That's all I'm looking for - no penetration (though one has surprised me at times, with my permission).

I've also paid down most of my debt over three credit cards, which makes me happy (I did have to use them extensively while I was in-between jobs last Spring). I have also cut back on 'dinner with friends' (from five nights a week to one) and 'morning coffee and muffin' from Dunkin' on my way to work each day (I grab the free coffee at work, no muffin). That has all helped. 

[Monarchy79]

This is a great forum topic, as many have noted that despite  their increases in salary and resources, they are now more conservative with hiring as the rates have exceeded father than the rates of actual inflation. 

When the rates of a product or service has far exceeded the availability of resources of the customer base, this usually indicates  some form of price gouging. 

The current rates are exploitative and soon,  this hiring bubble will burst, as these services aren’t “essential” to most. 
 

 

 

 

[Archangel]

2 hours ago, Monarchy79 said:

This is a great forum topic, as many have noted that despite  their increases in salary and resources, they are now more conservative with hiring as the rates have exceeded father than the rates of actual inflation. 

When the rates of a product or service has far exceeded the availability of resources of the customer base, this usually indicates  some form of price gouging. 

The current rates are exploitative and soon,  this hiring bubble will burst, as these services aren’t “essential” to most. 

I want to believe you but sadly I don’t. I think there are a lot of guys who don’t understand basic economics. Nor do they care that they’re exploiting people – even if it is a “luxury good.” Call me cynical, but my take on most providers is that clients are a source of income first, people second. It’s a microsized iteration of the capitalization of labor by CEOs who make thousands of times the income of their employees. “Business.”

[maninsoma]

Is $500/hour really the average rate now?  I'll confess I'm out of the loop because I seldom hire anymore.

Using an online inflation calculator and using $150-$200/hour as the readily available rate in 2000, today's readily available rate should be about $270-$370/hour.  It was also fairly easy to find hot guys on Craigslist or Adam4adam who charged less and, of course, there were the "porn stars" who had higher rates.  Maybe the lower end of the range is harder to find now, and maybe the number of guys who think of themselves as "stars" has increased since people can create their own content for Only Fans.  I would still hope that the average rate today isn't $500/hour since that not only far outpaces inflation but also, quite honestly, unless one is talking about the most amazingly attractive guy who can also provide a stellar experience that just doesn't seem to offer a value proposition.

[Archangel]

20 minutes ago, maninsoma said:

Using an online inflation calculator and using $150-$200/hour as the readily available rate in 2000, today's readily available rate should be about $270-$370/hour.  … I would still hope that the average rate today isn't $500/hour since that not only far outpaces inflation but also, quite honestly, unless one is talking about the most amazingly attractive guy who can also provide a stellar experience that just doesn't seem to offer a value proposition.

I don’t think it is. It’s the outlier. But if guys are willing to pay it, it will pull the average along out of step with inflation.

The only way it will self-correct is if clients refuse to pay overinflated rates. Sadly, by the time that most guys are booking for hourly hookups, they’re not thinking with their neurological head. And further sadly, these overinflated hourly rates have a cascading effect for extended appointments like I make in advance when I’m not booking by a libido-induced impulse. So my multiple-day arrangements are also overpriced because guys are willing to pay way too much for a 1-hr session.