United Healthcare CEO killed

[Stormy]

Free Free Free Luigi! 

[Monarchy79]

14 hours ago, augustus said:

To all of his supporters...your boy is just going to love the rest of his existence in prison.  Luigi Mangione is clearly a sociopath of the first order, and from his pictures — fitness model stuff — he looks like a raving narcissist.  

You want to know what I think is even more sociopathic? 
Creating AI to automatically (and rapidly) deny patient insurance claims, in bulk. 
 

 

 

[moonlight]

It seems that his issues with chronic back pain and surgery were a big factor in withdrawing from his former life. New York Times reports he told a friend that his back condition makes dating and physical intimacy impossible. 

[dutchal]

11 hours ago, Monarchy79 said:

The sad part about this case is that this dude would have never gotten caught if he didn’t take off that mask to flirt with some random woman. 
 

It’s the smallest things that will sink a man. 
 

He was asked by the desk clerk at the hostel when he was checking in to lower his mask so she could see whether he matched his ID.

[dutchal]

13 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

It'll be awhile before the whole story comes out.

Initial impression= a bratty SJW warrior who wanted to make a name for himself.

Later impression= he had back surgery, leaving him with chronic pain, at which point he stopped talking to friends and family.

My best memory from reading on the subject is that chronic pain can actually affect your brain enough to change the way you think.

Also, it is not uncommon for mental health problems such as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and clinical depression, to surface first in your twenties.

[MikeBiDude]

Content deleted by poster….

 

Did you see my moderator warning a few posts back? I’m thinking this post borders on ignoring my warning.

[samhexum]

1 hour ago, dutchal said:

My best memory from reading on the subject is that chronic pain can actually affect your brain enough to change the way you think.

Speaking from experience, I can say absotively, posilutely!

[+ JEC]

29 minutes ago, MikeBiDude said:

Did you see my moderator warning a few posts back? I’m thinking this post borders on ignoring my warning.

I deleted my post thanks

 

[+ augustus]

4 hours ago, Monarchy79 said:

You want to know what I think is even more sociopathic? 
Creating AI to automatically (and rapidly) deny patient insurance claims, in bulk. 

This guy's issue was not the result of a claim denial, where he would have been better off if the claim was denied. More than half of back surgeries are failures.  His family said he lost it after his surgery, which worsened the pain.  So why would he go after the health insurance CEO instead of the surgeon or hospital that did the surgery? If he was from a wealthy family, it seems he wouldn't have any insurance or money issues.    His whole privileged life is now unbearable because of his own choice.  

[samhexum]

11 minutes ago, augustus said:

This guy's issue was not the result of a claim denial, where he would have been better off if the claim was denied. More than half of back surgeries are failures.  His family said he lost it after his surgery, which worsened the pain.  

Again, speaking from personal experience, people have no idea of how debilitating and life-altering (physically AND mentally) chronic back pain can be.  There are many days it would make me feel just a little bit better

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[+ augustus]

Back surgery is dangerous and usually doesn't work.  I think many surgeons talk people into it for the money.  

[dutchal]

3 hours ago, dutchal said:

My best memory from reading on the subject is that chronic pain can actually affect your brain enough to change the way you think.

Also, it is not uncommon for mental health problems such as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and clinical depression, to surface first in your twenties.

Amending this:  In addition, the drugs you take for chronic pain, which often include steroids, can also contribute to changes in the brain.

[caliguy]

1 minute ago, augustus said:

Back surgery is dangerous and usually doesn't work.  I think many surgeons talk people into it for the money.  

That's news to me and I used to work in the back surgery industry until recently.  I will say that new technology has made many improvements and changed many lives for the better.

I will say my Dad got the lower back surgery years ago and it caused him lots of chronic pain where he was downing drugs like oxycodone to the point it was hard to even talk to him sometimes. He was strong silent type but I couldn't imagine. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Monarchy79]

1 hour ago, augustus said:

This guy's issue was not the result of a claim denial, where he would have been better off if the claim was denied. More than half of back surgeries are failures.  His family said he lost it after his surgery, which worsened the pain.  So why would he go after the health insurance CEO instead of the surgeon or hospital that did the surgery? If he was from a wealthy family, it seems he wouldn't have any insurance or money issues.    His whole privileged life is now unbearable because of his own choice.  

I’m not disagreeing with you. 
My posting was to point out that both  men are similar in character. 
 

And based on what you just stated, both men are privileged too. One was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, and the other was an inside trading money-hungry (at the expense of the sick and suffering) CEO. 

[caliguy]

The dead CEO was using AI to falsely deny the majority of healthcare claims in order to make more money for himself. People have been injured, killed, and gone into bankruptcy because of him personally. 

I think this has opened up a much bigger conversation besides just an entitled rich guy killing someone though. If anything good can be taken out of this is that this country can still come together no matter left or right.  

 

 

[Monarchy79]

15 hours ago, dutchal said:

He was asked by the desk clerk at the hostel when he was checking in to lower his mask so she could see whether he matched his ID.

Correct. 
She said something along the lines of “let me see that handsome smile of yours”, and he snatched off that mask and started grinning…. 
 

He totally forgot that cameras could capture his image. 
 

He didn’t think to say: “look, I’m concerned about the next wave of COVID and my immune system is already compromised, can I take my mask off in a more private  area? (Then search for cameras…)

 

but with most murders, it’s the smallest thing that’s unaccounted for, that cracks the case… 

Edited December 11, 2024 by Monarchy79

[EastCoastBtm]

55 minutes ago, caliguy said:

I think this has opened up a much bigger conversation besides just an entitled rich guy killing someone though. If anything good can be taken out of this is that this country can still come together no matter left or right.  

 

Come together on healthcare?  Good luck with that.  

Some here and in the broader ecosystem are either already turning him into a folk hero or a hated 'leftist' - although the whole Japanese society thing sounds like forcing people to have kids.... so..... 

If I had to guess, similar to mass shootings, this type of 'political statement' killing will become just another 'that's too bad, but there's nothing we can do about it, thoughts and prayers' approach to discussing the issue.  This will become normalized just like mass killings in the United States.

[Lotus-eater]

The hate directed at UnitedHealthCare has matters exactly backwards (pun intended). If he had a failed back surgery that set him off (he apparently recommended the book “Crooked: Outwitting the Back Pain Industry and Getting on the Road to Recovery”), then UnitedHealthCare should deny more claims like his to discourage useless back procedures.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

My evolving issue with his arrest is that they're going to eventually release that he was gay.

It won't bode well for the community.  It never does.  The news cycle will eat this for lunch and dinner.

All the way around, it's an ugly, sad story.

[EastCoastBtm]

6 minutes ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

My evolving issue with his arrest is that they're going to eventually release that he was gay.

It won't bode well for the community.  It never does.  The news cycle will eat this for lunch and dinner.

All the way around, it's an ugly, sad story.

Is this confirmed?  Trying to find the earlier post that may say that.  I mean he looks like he could be given the attention he gives to his body, but he's also a bit of a 'nerd eccentric' and the younger set certainly are more body vain than older generations.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Just now, EastCoastBtm said:

Is this confirmed?  Trying to find the earlier post that may say that.  I mean he looks like he could be given the attention he gives to his body, but he's also a bit of a 'nerd eccentric' and the younger set certainly are more body vain than older generations.

I'm neither confirming or denying. 

Just a concern, really.

[+ José Soplanucas]

I just found this picture in LPSG. The caps were: TAKE YOUR HANDS OFF MY HUSBAND, OFFICER.

It made me laugh.

[+ ApexNomad]

People don’t have to sympathize with the deceased, but premeditated murder is a crime. Period. Normalizing such behavior opens the door to future violence as a solution to injustice.

This isn’t just about one person or incident—it’s about how we, as a society, respond to systemic harm. Unethical practices, like using AI to deny life-saving claims, require legal action, not vigilantism.

Change through reform takes time—it’s frustrating! Always has been. Always will be. But, it’s the only way to create meaningful progress. We must demand accountability through the rule of law and address systemic failures. 

Justice must always be pursued within a legal framework to prevent further harm. I say that knowing the law doesn’t always get it right—but it’s the best system we have to ensure accountability and prevent chaos.

[dutchal]

Just google "Luigi Mangione" and gay and see what wild stuff comes up.  Supposedly he's bi, or gay with a preference for black men, or he wanted to transition and was denied coverage by United Health Care, and so on and so forth.

The only thing that's confirmed is that his spinal condition made physical intimacy difficult or impossibly painful.

Edited December 10, 2024 by dutchal

[+ BOZO T CLOWN]

Bozo has seen absolutely nothing that would indicate that Luigi is a homosexual. And apparently there's been nothing in any of his social media or cell phone to indicate that he is. It's pure speculation, and likely untrue.
Also, any gay male with a semblance of style and vanity would have had those thick, bushy eyebrows waxed, or at least trimmed. 
The Groucho Marx look is not one that I believe is trendy in the gay community. And thank God for that!

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